Last week there was a thread here about putting fluoride in the water

[Bandit]

The thread I am talking about was about an Alaskan town that was going to vote on whether to put fluoride in the water or not. I live in Juneau Alaska and I don't know if this is the town that thread was about but Juneau did just vote on that particular issue yesterday.Juneau is the Capital city of Alaska and it is also a Liberal bastion in a very red, Republican state. Juneau voted yesterday not to put fluoride in the water by almost two thirds vote. The vote was 61% against and 37% for. There was a lot of information given over the last several weeks on both sides of the issue. I have always felt Juneau was a very Progressive community that doesn't fall easily for the Propaganda. Some very intelligent voters here IMO. Not sure on this issue though..

[mikelgb]

1. Flouride is poison

personally I prefer water in my water

[Warpy]

5. So is water if you drink too much of it

Water intoxication does lead to death. More than a few frats have found that one out during hazing week. One radio station found it out when it was doing a ratings stunt. Are you now going to stop drinking water?

Everything in life is a poison if you ingest enough of it.

However, fluoridation of drinking water mimics the levels where fluoridation occurs naturally. There is no evidence of illness from it, just healthy teeth.

Anyone who cries about "poisoning the water" needs an education.

[Katherine Brengle]

6. Only in much higher concentrations than are in drinking water, and fluoridated water saves

teeth.

As an adult who suffered poor dental care and non-fluoridated water as a child, I can show you pictures of the consequences if you like.

[ISUGRADIA]

9. OH GOD flouride is poison!

You better give up that toothpaste too

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Watch out for dihydrogen monoxide though.

It's a toxic compound, known to cause asphyxiation in rats, and people are starting to find it in their tap water.

[blondeatlast]

25. I've heard even a teaspoonful of that stuff can kill. Wow.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. I hear frat boys are hazing each other with it.

It's insane. A couple of them died.

[blondeatlast]

27. Hazing and dihydrogen monoxide--a deadly combo. Why hasn't John Stossel

been all over this?!

[Deep13]

2. I've heard conflicting claims too. nt

[terisan]

3. The thing about flouridating is that many people are keeping their teeth who would have

been toothless decades ago.

I would like the negatives fully investigated but if flouridation were to end, there needs to be some way to protect people's teeth.

[Warpy]

4. There is an intense propaganda campaign against

fluoridated water and has been since the John Birchers started it in the 1950s. They feed a maximum amount of disinformation to the public and then prey on fears of people that fluoridation is involuntary medical treatment.

The truth is that where water is fluoridated, children have healthier teeth, and that carries through into adulthood. There is no spike in any illness, no drop in collective IQ, absolutely no documented ill effect. The water is fluoridated to mimic water where fluoridation occurs naturally.

The whole thing is beyond stupidity. That 61% of propagandized fools just condemned themselves and their children to a lifetime of dental pain and high dental bills.

[nykym]

7. HERE ARE SOME OTHER FACTS

ABOUT FLOURIDATION, So if its in our toothpaste and mouthwash etc why dwould you need even more in your water? I have well water but am concerned because of this little bit of research and the coporate dollars involved for a waste by product from the fertilizer industry!

http://www.fluoridealert.org/phosphate/overview.htm

[Tesha]

20. How much fluoride is in your well water? Do you know? (NT)

[SmokingJacket]

8. Should we put anti-cholesterol drugs in the water to prevent heart attacks?

Seriously, if we made them pretty-much-entirely safe, why not?

[Bandit]

11. How about LSD?

It was a thing fromn the sixties...:shrug: I guess you had to be there

[Vilis Veritas]

13. Plant Sterols occur naturally...

Just saying...fruits and veggies already do good things for cholesterol...

No Fear.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. already have fluoride in toothpaste

maybe that is the cause of the increases in oral cancers, however after radiation for oral cancer they suggest you use high fluoride to prevent dental caries! Oh well.

http://www.slweb.org/oralhealth.america.html

[Vilis Veritas]

12. IMO

People live longer today becuase of all the advances...we live so long now that we are dying of things that we never died of before...

100 years ago the average age was 47 years old in the us, Mexico it was 33, now it is 74 > 200% increase. People died of tooth decay...

http://www.time.com/time/time100/timewarp/timewarp.html

Tell me what has changed?

No Fear.

[Bandit]

14. Places in China where people commonly live to be over a hundred

They don't credit that to fluoride...

[Vilis Veritas]

15. Granted. Refined Sugar is the main culprit in Tooth decay...

To your point, the Chinese typically in those areas do not eat a lot of refined sugar...flouride does help stave off cavities in the US, but so does eating a healthy diet low in refined sugars.

Now if we could only force me people to eat healthy...

Peace.

No Fear.

[AngryAmish]

17. BS

Remember the yogurt commercials in the 70s and 80s that said people routinely lived into their 100s in the Ukraine because they ate yogurt?

As it turns out the reason these young people were in their 100s because the children of old folks adopted their identities to get pensions, avoid the draft, etc in the USSR.

If the people in China are "commonly in their 100s, maybe bad things during the Cultural Revolution, etc. caused them to assume identities.

Or maybe you have been fed a line of BS and you ate it up.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. The average lifespan of Chinese is 71.

Fifty years ago it was in the mid thirties.

Just because you see monks in Shangra La living to be 200 years old on your TV it doesn't make it true.

[tomreedtoon]

16. Polluting our precious bodily fluids!

That's the reason you should only drink rainwater and pure grain alcohol.
Now how many of you know that reference?

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. My Favorite Movie. n/t

[DemGa]

18. Good for the people of Juneau

You don't need that poison. Many European countries have seen declines in cavities even more so than the US, with zero added fluoride in their water.


http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/teeth/caries/who-dmft.html

[Locrian]

21. arguments against water fluoridation

http://www.nofluoride.com/


There are 4 main arguments against water fluoridation:

Any purported benefits of fluoridation are in scientific controversy. Studies from 50 years ago do not pass muster under today's standards for safety or effectiveness. Research from the same era also "proved" cigarettes don't cause cancer. Even the AMA concedes that no studies were done to determine any side effects caused by fluoridation.

The fluoride used for water fluoridation does not have FDA approval and is considered by the FDA as an "unapproved drug". The proper use of any drug requires an understanding of how much is too much. Since fluoride is already in many foods and beverages, an estimated total intake of existing fluoride amounts is imperative. Research shows fluoridation is unnecessary since we're already receiving 300% or more of the American Dental Association's recommended daily amount.

Constitutional and Civil liberty issues regarding the forced mass medication of the population when alternative means of reducing cavities are easily available, such as tooth brushing. Even so-called mandatory school immunizations provide exemptions for parents who wish not to participate.

The chemicals used for fluoridation are not high purity, pharmaceutical quality products. Rather they are byproducts of aluminum and fertilizer manufacturing and contain a high concentration of toxins and heavy metals such as arsenic, lead and chromium. All proven to be carcinogens.

[noonwitch]

22. I grew up in the first city to have it (Grand Rapids, MI)

I inherited bad teeth-they would likely have been much worse without the flouride in the water.

I far more fear the PBB I was involuntarily exposed to through the milk I drank as a Michigan kid than I do flouride.