I am as Liberal or more so than most on this board and I will be delighted

[Bandit]

for a woman to be President and attempt to change the direction of this country. America is basically a Conservative religious country. No real Liberal will win the ticket. Hillary is as close as we are going to get. She is a woman and has a nurturing manner as do almost all women. IMO that is what America needs desperately..I am sick and tired of the machismo and macho attitude of most men. There is a reason that almost no women become serial killers or even very few become killers for that matter. It just is not in their make-up..I truly don't believe America can nor will do any better this time around..So all you Hillary haters flame away..

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I don't see how a liberal can vote for someone who supports the war.

But I'm sure you're very pro-HIllary.

[jpgray]

39. Because the alternative is to split the liberal vote, and enable the people who still love the war

[endarkenment]

2. Right the issue is her gender.

That must be it. Couldn't possibly be anything else. When I vote, the first thing I consider is 'innie or outie'.

[poverlay]

15. You consider their bellybutton? That's what we always referred to with those phrases. Maybe I was

waaaay off all those years???

Oh well, seems as good a reason as many these days.

[Kelly Rupert]

3. Wouldn't voting for someone on the basis of their gender,

with no regard to their actual positions or beliefs, be a rather sexist proposition?

[havocmom]

22. Dat's da way I see it too. Issues, not gender or race, should be the point.

[lateo]

4. If she is as close as we are going to get.

We are completely screwed.

[Cha]

5. I'm not a hater so take

your "liberal" ad hominem and try to figure out why others don't want hillary anywhere near the white house again.

[frankieT]

6. think about Margaret Thatcher !

Women can be ruthless too.

[youthere]

7. Now there's a campaign angle I hadn't heard...

"VOTE HILARY-SHE HAS A VAGINA SO SHE HAS TO BE GOOD!" "VOTE HILLARY..SHE'S NOT A SERIAL KILLER!"

I'll bet the reps from the Clinton campaign are just banging down your door.

[againes654]

8. "it just is not in their make-up"

:rofl:

This is going to be interesting. :popcorn:

[Larkspur]

9. This woman won't vote for a woman for Prez who favors outsourcing my job to India

so she can get millions from the India-American community and lobbyists.

[Gman]

10. How refreshing!i

A pragmatic liberal.

I Hillary can be a beginning of a long term, many years change toward more liberal administrations. It won't work just yet, but within 15 - 20 years a McGovern type could conceivable run the country. Young people are more and more liberal as the generations pass.

[blondeatlast]

14. Well, that's good news--we'll be in Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan still by that logic. nt

[Gman]

38. All it takes is to have the most (electoral) votes

much easier said, thought about and wished for than done.

[hfojvt]

11. by that "logic" you would be happy with

Elizabeth Dole, Condaleeza Rice, or Jean Schmidt.

[cascadiance]

32. Yes, why discriminate and only have a WHITE woman? How about Condi!

Vote Condi and you can get both a woman and a woman of color in the white house! :sarcasm:

[blondeatlast]

12. We'll talk when she explains to the Democratic base why she voted "yes" for K/L.

TWO Democratic candidates went on record against it, but she approved it--even after the debacle that was the IWR.

[sniffa]

13. that's a nice fantasy

both being LiberaL, and that hiLLary is nurturing. :rofl:

[Froward69]

16. If Hillary were elected to

be the president. Great it would be a historical Coo. however Judging from other nations who have elected Women. Isreal (Golda Mier),Great Britian (Thatcher). Both of those ladies were just as hair triggered and mean as men.

[Katherine Brengle]

17. "She is a woman and has a nurturing manner as do almost all women." Are you fucking serious?

I absolutely agree that this country is conservative and religious and that no real liberal/progressive/whatever candidate is likely to win the presidency, but this comment is gross.

[maseman]

40. Ask the husband of that women

in Cleveland who drowned her two kids last night in a bathtub if she was a nurturing mother.

[blondeatlast]

18. Yes, she's so "nurturing" she voted to enable W to bomb Tehran.

I guess that would make Joe Biden and Chris Dodd dysfunctional mommies. is that it?

[Kelly Rupert]

23. Please provide wording in amendment

that would expand Bush's war powers.

[Tektonik]

19. Gosh darnit

Too bad Elizabeth Dole wasn't running as well!

[Individualist]

20. My contempt for DLCers has nothing to do with gender

[ecstatic]

21. I too recently came to the conclusion that if America is not ready for a liberal

president, well, then we have to wait and keep getting the message out there. We can't force voters to choose someone like Kucinich, but that doesn't mean we should turn the country over to repubs again.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

24. Ick.

I think I have to go take a shower. And not in a fun way. :(

[WA98296]

25. My feeling is that it is pathetic to choose a candidate based on gender. ISSUES

That's what I will vote on only issues. Kucinich best represents my views.

A liberal can win. Saying they can't is merely perpetuating a media-driven myth. "Unelectable" "is only that to Corporate interests. They say so on tv, so it must be true? I guess so, because they've got you convinced! Corporations vote with dollars. If ballots are counted, any candidate can win.

HRC is a corporatist. Why do you think she is the media's darling? She was among the top recipient of Pharmecutical pac money in recent years. Do you really think she will turn her back on those corporate interests to benefit actual PEOPLE? Hell no, get real. Clinton is a republican, despite the D label, and a corporatist. I won't vote for a republican, and I won't vote for HRC when she is GIVEN the nomination by corporate America. It will be the first time that I ever withheld a vote in over 30 years of voting.

[BlooInBloo]

26. mmmm...

:popcorn:

[blondeatlast]

27. Margaret Thatcher--so nurturing she put Britain back to work

by attacking Grenada ( I refer you to history and to Elvis Costello's song "Shipbuilding.")

I AM a woman and a feminist and in my early, early years walked the pickets with my mom.

Don't you lecture me with this sexism.

[Raffi Ella]

28. ah well,

her being a woman is exciting in terms of History and how far we've come but Miss Hill has a steeliness about her that rivals any of her male counterparts.I am very impressed with her intellect and demeanor.I think she knows what she's doing and has the ambition and drive to get her where she wants to be.That's a good thing in my book.

I think Biden has her in spades in terms of his abilities to accomplish great things in the WhiteHouse but if Hillary gets the nom more power to her.

:dem:

[dysfunctional press]

29. as a very liberal person, i would rather have a far-right republican than a right-leaning centrist..

like shillary.

i use the analogy of a frog that's put in a pot of boiling water, and immediately jumps out, vs. the frog that's put in a pot of cold water that is then slowly brought to a boil, but the frog- being cold-blooded doesn't notice thechange in temperature and gets cooked.

and look at just some the things that happened under the previous clinton administration-
nafta
wto
telecom act of 1994
defense of marriage act.

the dlc repug-lite dinos want to take this country to a fascist state incrementally, slowly but surely- like the frog in the pot that's brought slowly to a boil.

the far righties want it all NOW!- they will overreach, and the people will see it for what it is. hopefully.

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. If you won't vote for Hillary, you must be a serial killer.

That's the ticket.

:sarcasm:

[stimbox]

31. There's a list of 55 female serial killers on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Female_serial_killers

Pages in category "Female serial killers"

There are 55 pages in this section of this category.
A
Sara Aldrete
Beverly Allitt
Angel of Mercy (serial killer)
Amy Archer-Gilligan
B
Juana Barraza
Elizabeth Báthory
Bloody Benders
Lucia de Berk
Marie-Madeleine-Marguerite d'Aubray, Marquise de Brinvilliers
Carol M. Bundy
C
Cynthia Coffman
Faye Copeland
Mary Ann Cotton
D
Nannie Doss
E
Enriqueta Martí
F
Christine Falling
Constance Fisher
Debbie Fornuto
G
Janie Lou Gibbs
Kristen Gilbert
Delfina and Maria de Jesus Gonzales
Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood
Caroline Grills
Maria Gruber
H
Anna Marie Hahn
Myra Hindley
Karla Homolka
Waneta Hoyt
J
Hélène Jegado
Martha Ann Johnson
Genene Jones
L
Irene Leidolf
Juliane Lipka
Locusta
M
Christine Malevre
Rhonda Belle Martin
Stephanija Meyer
M cont.
Blanche Taylor Moore
O
Susi Olah
Dagmar Overbye
P
Louise Peete
Dorothea Puente
S
Amelia Sach and Annie Walters
Darya Saltykova
Maria Swanenburg
T
The Angel Makers of Nagyrév
Marybeth Tinning
Jane Toppan
Lynn Turner (serial killer)
W
Waltraud Wagner
Jeanne Weber
Rosemary West
Catherine May Wood
Aileen Wuornos
Z
Anna Maria Zwanziger

[Elidor]

34. There goes half of Bandit's "argument"

But at least Hillary doesn't have a penis. That's the first thing I look for in a candidate, too.

[Kelly Rupert]

37. They let you look?

Man, I only got a handshake...

[baldguy]

33. America is NOT a conservative religious country - thats nothing but RW propaganda.

[Breeze54]

35. Most here are liberal. You aren't the only one.

See Tahiti Nuts poll from yesterday about the Political Compass.

Take the Test!
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Over 300 voted as being left of center. Hillary was very right of center!



http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2007

She's a righty! Center right.

Voting FOR the Iraq AND the Iran war resolutions doesn't in any way make her more 'nurturing!!

Both of those, especially the IWR resulted in thousands of deaths!!!!

How is that nurturing??

[uppityperson]

36. I am as Liberal or more so than most on this board and I would be delighted

for a woman who represents me and my interests to be President and attempt to change the direction of this country.

Having lived through Dixie Lee in WA, unfortunately I do not believe that every woman, merely by having the right chromosomes, is nurturing. I do not believe Ms.Clinton believes as I do, or is what America needs desperately. I wish it were so, I really really really do.

Finally, being accused of merely being a Hillary hater because I strongly feel that aside from her being female she does not represent me, this tells me more about you and your desire to have a sincere discussion.

[rucky]

41. Why are you telling us this? n/t

[Bandit]

42. Well here is one reason

Alaska, where I am from, has always had men Governors. The last man that was Governor was Frank Murkowski a Republican that had been a US Senator for over twenty years. He left office with an approval rating of 19% in a Republican state. Alaska elected a woman for the first time as Governor and she happened to be a Republican. She has an approval rating of over eighty percent. She actually seems to care for people. I thought that was an impossibility for any Republican. I as a Liberal am impressed with her..I think I would feel the same with Hillary..I am just preparing myself for what I believe to be inevitable..When given lemons make lemonade..

[rucky]

44. That's fine on an interpersonal level...

most of my good friends are women for the same reasons.

But on a political level, how much you care is not measured by words, demeanor, or anatomy, but through actions. I'm not saying Hillary wouldn't qualify under that criteria, but I would urge you to re-examine political figures under a different, gender-neutral, set of criteria. I don't know if you'll see similar patterns, or draw different conclusions that way. Honestly, i've never really examined it from a gender-based perspective, but my mind travels back and forth between Jean Schmidt and Barbara Boxer, so...

[Fading Captain]

43. Just because you have low standards

Doensn't mean the rest of us shouldn't.

"Hillary is as close as we are going to get"

Good Lord. So, it's lesser of evils, is it?


"I am sick and tired of the machismo and macho attitude of most men."

Go find a country without them.

Voting for a woman because she's a woman is as wrongheaded and outright stupid as voting against a woman because she's a woman.

People on DU ought to know better.

[Jed Dilligan]

45. I don't think America is "basically a conservative religious country"

It's more that the Electoral College allows the most conservative and religious parts of the country, which are the least populous, dominate the liberal and secular parts, which are the most populous.