Pelosi:democrats will hold bush 'accountable'.......

[snappyturtle]

I don't know why I punish myself by reading about this subject but I find it so incredibly unbelievable I get sucked in more often than I'd like to admit. Daniel Ellsburg is right...a coup has taken place.

If I give into the 'we don't have the votes' meme then I want to know how Pelosi is going to hold * accountable....for anything. Oversight?????? Criminal prosecution.......naw, we got to keep the powder dry. I want my party back. You know the one.

http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Speaker_Pelosi_I_have_always_said_0926.html

"Nine months after taking control of the House, Nancy Pelosi is taking credit for "changing the debate" on the war while in Iraq there are 30,000 more troops than on the day the San Francisco Democrat first rapped the Speaker's gavel.

As to cries from liberal activists to impeach President Bush and/or Vice President Dick Cheney, such suggestions remain strictly verboten.

"I've always said that impeachment is off the table," Pelosi said Tuesday at the tail end of an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "This is President Bush's war; it's Vice President Cheney's war, and now it's become the war of the Republicans in Congress."

Pelosi blamed the closely divided Senate for preventing passage of meaningful reforms in the Iraq war strategy and claimed she did not have the political clout or Constitutional authority to unilaterally cut war funding.

"I wish the Speaker had all the power you just described," she scolded Blitzer, when he suggested the House simply cut off funding for the war. "I certainly could do that. That doesn't bar the minority from bringing up a funding resolution. They have their parliamentary prerogatives as well."

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[Richard Steele]

1. Pull the other one, Nancy- it's got bells on!

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

36. what happened to "draining the swamp?"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Suuuuuure they will.

They've been kicking SO much ass lstely. :rofl:

[quiet.american]

3. I really don't know what to say. It sounds as though Speaker Pelosi is in her own world. n/t

[madokie]

7. got a few skeletons in that closet there nancy do you

must have

[MadHound]

4. OMG, LOL

Pelosi is saying this with a straight face? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
I'm sorry Nancy, you have lied so much to us, and failed to follow through at all with anything meaningful for so long, please excuse us if we find your statement to be rather incredulous, to say the least.

[lonestarnot]

5. Oh sure sure sure. Pfaw. Snort. Fart

hmmmf.

[Beelzebud]

6. Nancy, I'm sorry to inform you, but your "leadership" allowed the Dems to own a share of this war...

Great Job...

What a pathetic let-down this congress has turned out to be.

[Virginia Dare]

9. Yeah, bring back evil Dr. Frist and Fatturd...n/t

[ThomWV]

8. She's wrong, this isn't the war of the "Republican Congress" it belongs to the Democratic Congress.

It has become her war and she better understand that the only way to end it is impeachment of the man who caused and prolongs it.

[Solly Mack]

10. If in 2010 the dying continues, it's not going to be Bush people are blaming

like it or not
think it fair or not

folks will not be blaming Bush for the dying

people will be looking to those in office and demanding to know why they haven't stopped the dying...and that's who they will blame...Congress and the President

much like they're doing now....

[leftofthedial]

11. neither party wants to change the status quo

Look at the votes since 9-11.

Both parties are unambiguously anti-Constitution, pro-invasion, pro-occupation . . . they occasionally throw in a symbolic vote here and there to give their defenders a talking point, but when push comes to shove--authorizing further elimination of civil liberties, funding for the illegal occupation, granting the bush cabal whatever "war" powers it wants, executing 9-11 coverups--both parties are on the same page.

The rhetoric is just a bunch of lies, packaged for talk radio's consumption. It has NOTHING to do with the agenda.

[Amonester]

16. Exactly. And if they would just be "honest" for once in their lives...

they should "remove" this "oh so obvious" SHAM the oath of office they have to take, but never hold forever after.

At least, they would appear to be honest.

[flyarm]

12. i AM SO DISGUSTED BY HER AND MANY OTHERS I CAN'T EVEN DISCUSS IT..without putting my own

health in jeopardy.

fly

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Pelosi's theme song. "There'll be pie in the sky when you die"

Or, "Somewhere over the the Rainbow"

Or, "Tomorrow"

Or, "Someday"

[riverdeep]

14. They are afraid of making bold moves.

As much contempt as I hold this administration in, one thing I will say for them-they are bold. Notice I'm using 'bold' in a neutral way. It takes boldness to hold onto an Attorney General that even most of your own party thinks is a joke. It takes boldness to even propose to invade a country that had nothing to do with attacking us, much less to go ahead and invade.

I've been thinking about this a bit lately, and it seems that boldness may be the more natural domain of evil. Something may happen that when you mentally break free of society's mores, you also become more willing to take chances. Look at Hitler and the night of long knives. There were a dozen things that could have gone wrong, but he was willing to 'go there'.

That sort of boldness of evil, can only be counterbalanced by the boldness of good.

[snappyturtle]

17. I agree. I see few examples of boldness on the Democrats side.nt

[riverdeep]

21. And we have that, we are capable.

Look at Barbara Lee. Shortly after Sept. 11th, while every other congressmember was either cowtowed or believed in voting for the authorization for the use of force, she stood firmly against it. The only one. She wasn't against the use of force, but that that particular wording was a blank check to the president. SHE WAS RIGHT. She wanted to keep a cool head regardless of the circumstances. For her efforts she received death threats and general hostility.

She's still here.

[snappyturtle]

38. Thanks riverbend for the reminder!!! nt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

15. And meanwhile Bush is saying, "Yeah, I'm re-e-e-l scared. Another

threat to lash me with a wet noodle."

[flordehinojos]

18. pelosi is bush's dance partner. she dances to his lead.

[ProfessorGAC]

19. Nancy! Don't Sing It! Bring It!

Enough with the gum excercises. Do something!
The Professor

[snappyturtle]

20. YES! She seems helpless! nt

[MrCoffee]

22. Jam Tomorrow

nancy is the white queen.

[EFerrari]

23. Nancy can't hold herself accountable, let alone anyone else. n/t

[burythehatchet]

24. East coast "liberal" elite establishment. They're all too predictable.

[liberal N proud]

25. It may be bu$h's war but who is paying the consequences?

not bu$h and not cheney. But Nancy may politically if she doesn't do something to stop the criminals.

[Marr]

26. This says it all to me:

"I've always said that impeachment is off the table," Pelosi said Tuesday at the tail end of an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "This is President Bush's war; it's Vice President Cheney's war, and now it's become the war of the Republicans in Congress."

Her only concern is attaching this very unpopular occupation to the Republicans. For that, it has to continue. I think Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic establishment is under the mistaken impression that their constitituency is comprised of the same sort of stimulus-response morons that populate the right. They think we're all too stupid to see what they're doing, and that we'll just continue blaming it all on the Republicans.

This isn't "the war of the Republicans in Congress" anymore. It's hers, too.

[snappyturtle]

39. As far as I can see the Democrats in the legislative branch are

making it their war too....and that's too bad. I want to see proposals made and even if they failed we would know they tried. But when everything is dismissed with the 'we don't have enough votes' management style, I sorely disappointed. They might be surprised. I think we'll start seeing more repukes peeling themselves away from *....we gotta try.

I hope everyone here is keeping after their congresscritters....my hubby is good on the phone and I write the e-mails....they hear from us a lot!!!! I don't intend to stop.

[frylock]

27. yawn

[Ganja Ninja]

28. promises promises. n/t

[Atman]

29. By this logic, they were Foley's pages, Cunningham's bribes...

They should have been allowed to stay in power, too. You know, because forcing them to stay and own their crimes is...uh...what's you're fucking point again, Nancy?

.

[truebrit71]

30. Starting when Nancy? 'Cos you've done bugger all up to this point...

...or did I sleep through the subpoenas being enforced and Kindasleazy Rice testifying under oath?
Or did I miss the de-funding of the war? Or the setting of a timeline to bring the troops home? Or the restoration of Habeus Corpus? I know i DIDN'T miss the condmenation of MoveOn.org and a quasi declaration of war on Iran, you know, the shit you were supposed to PREVENT from happening...oh, and I know that i DIDN'T miss the rubber-stamping of the spending bill for the war...

So you tell me Nancy, just when the fuck are you ACTUALLY going to start holding these fucking war criminals to account?

When?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

35. she looked good for the first 100 days and then....

....zilch

people aren't too bright and cannot think along those lines that she described. There's probably someone preventing her from doing something valiant.

[snappyturtle]

40. Good rant!!!!!!!! Kudos. nt

[Lord Helmet]

31. she must mean in the next life or something

[Cha]

32. It would be nice if there were

someway we could hold Nancy Pelosi ACCOUNTABLE for making that statement when in fact there is no evidence she's holding anyone accountable.

Can't say as I blame Cindy for running against the queen.

[dkofos]

33. Not until pelosi steps down as speaker!!

What are you going to do Nancy??

Whack his pee pee

[Sanctified]

34. Maybe they will draft a resolution

Which will send the Bush Admin to the naughty corner for a little time out. Seriously how the fuck do you hold someone responsible when you yourself are an enabler.

[Sir Jeffrey]

37. Pelosi looked like she has given up in this interview...

I think she needs to step aside if she is not up to the fight.

Maybe she thought that Bush and Cheney would just roll over and accept defeat after the mid-terms. Or maybe she thought she could, at worst, shake out a significant compromise on troop reducton that would appeal to both parties. Or maybe she thought that the Republicans would abandon Bush en masse.

Regardless, what Ms. Pelosi has shown is a lack of understanding the nature of the enemy. Any one of us on this site could tell that Cheney did not spend the last 40 years acquiring power in order to just hand it over willingly after one electoral defeat (three if you count the thefts of 2000 and 2004). Any one of us could tell that every time an important funding bill or another bill to steal our liberties gets presented, another bogus terra attack is trotted out or another Bin Laden tape surfaces. Any of us could tell that Bush was going to stay in Iraq no matter what the Congress did, short of impeachment or de-funding the occupation.

This person is supposed to be the leader of the opposition party. She has a majority in the one legislative body where you draft the bills. For her to go on CNN and claim that she doesn't have the authority to drop the funding is either an intentional lie, which is bad, or a fundamental misunderstanding of the power of the Speaker, which is far worse. The ONLY way a funding bill gets out of committee without the SPeaker's approval is by discharge petition. If you don't know how hard it is to get one of those going, google it. Maybe she should google it too.

[snappyturtle]

42. I sometimes think Pelosi isn't up to it too....which is so sad.

I still can see her taking the gavel in her hands for the first time and tears rolled down my cheeks because what I saw was a Democratic women assuming a very powerful position and I had hope, finally a little hope. Now I'm angry that the promise of things changing haven't come to be and in most circumstances haven't even been drafted. Worse is that I don't think she is going to budge.

[Sir Jeffrey]

43. I agree...

She had promise, and as another pointed out in this thread, the first 100 days were good, but the single most important issue for the public is the continuing occupation of Iraq and the absolute refusal of the administration to accept any limits to their power.

Her style would work if she was dealing with reasonable people in positions of authority....you know, people with different perspectives that don't necessarily hate you to the core for being liberal. Hell, this group in power hates everyone that opposes them in any significant way for any reason at all.

I am reminded of the Godfather movies as I type this. We need a war-time consigliere.

[blm]

41. Actually, Kerry-Feingold withdrawal bill in June 2006 finally changed the debate

along with Murtha and his allies in the House and their withdrawal bill.

The establishment Dems didn't WANT withdrawal on the table at ALL. The PUBLIC should have disabused them of that position by November 2006.

[WinkyDink]

44. Fear of the MINORITY? She is hopeless.

[snappyturtle]

45. I am very disheartened by this....but what do we do other than

what we've been doing...over,and over,and over ad infinitum?