july 1988 - US shoots downs iranian airliner killing 290 people

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

have you heard the media mention it during this ahmadinejad/iran debate. i haven't.

[PDenton]

1. They weren't Americans

so they don't count... didn't you get the memo?

[dipsydoodle]

2. Yes - a timely reminder

:-(

[Babsbrain]

3. Everything we believe is based on which side of the fence we sit

A terrorist in one country is a freedom fighter in the other country.

Let's not forget this incident:

http://www.ussliberty.org/

Don't let the government tell you how to react. Put yourselves in Palestine's shoes.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

6. oh oh spaghetti-o

[jdlh8894]

8. And also 444 days in 1979 n/t

[EVDebs]

4. Oct 1983 Lebanon marine barracks bombing kills 241 servicemen

"The 1983 Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident on October 23, 1983, during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck buildings in Beirut housing U.S. and French members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon, killing hundreds of servicemen, the majority being U.S. Marines. The blasts led to the withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where they had been stationed since the Israeli 1982 invasion of Lebanon. Islamic Jihad took responsiblity for the bombing but the real institgator is thought to have been Hezbollah with help from the Islamic Republic of Iran.<1>"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

Iran, hmmm.

[stranger81]

5. the old "some people say" chestnut again . . . . . [n/t]

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

7. and what did reagan do about it?

[Nickster]

9. Protected the world's supply of Nutmeg from the Communists! Duh! :-)

[dipsydoodle]

13. Hmmm......I wonder

who wrote the Wiki piece and exactly when the blame was attributed in that way.

[provis99]

15. how convenient that you didn't mention this was in retaliation for an American naval attack

carried out in support of Christian lebanese militias. Hezbollah simply invoked its natural right to protect itself from American aggression.

[EVDebs]

19. Hezbollah and US seem to be 'playing by Hama Rules' according to Thomas Friedman

" Cædite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
Translation: "Slay them all. God will know his own."
Variation: "Kill them all. Let God sort them out."
Supposed statement by Abbot Arnold Amaury before the massacre of Béziers during the Albigensian Crusade, recorded 30 years later, according to Cæsar of Heisterbach.
Cited in The Perfect Heresy by Stephen O'Shea"

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Latin_proverbs

Hama massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_Massacre

Hama Rules

http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/63P58.htm

"And while the Arab states have crushed their Islamic terrorists, they have never confronted them ideologically and delegitimized their behavior as un-Islamic. Arab and Muslim Americans are not part of this problem. But they could be an important part of the solution by engaging in the debate back in the Arab world, and presenting another vision of America."

And the US has likewise not confronted the inbred CIA's militarist ideology and delegitimized it. Most Americans loath what has been kept from them deliberately. LBJ even called the CIA's activity in the Caribbean as a 'Murder, Inc.'. To give this a wink and a nod is 'playing by Hama Rules' too.

[EVDebs]

20. 'Convenient' ? In the ME it's ALL about retaliation. "Hama Rules"

which means no rules at all. It'll all be like one big Fallujah if the cooler heads don't prevail at some point. Don't you think ?

[Blashyrkh]

18. "Though to have been" is a little way from "Conclusively proven to have been"...

[xchrom]

10. kick -- and there are more violent incidents

that go back to the 1950s -- our government has not played an honest game in the middle east for a very long time.

[Ilsa]

11. A friend of mine was in the navy, and she was embarrassed by it.

She was a pilot and commented that it was pathetic.

[Zywiec]

12. It was intentional. Mistakes NEVER happen in the military - ever. n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

14. Oopsie! Sorry Iran!! No hard feelings, OK? n/t

[uppityperson]

16. No, I haven't heard that mentioned. Thanks for the reminder.

[malaise]

17. Of course not

Didn't you get teh memo:
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil about US evil.