Iran: You know, there are some really fucking stupid people in this world.

[originalpckelly]

" At a farewell reception at Blair House for the retiring chief of protocol, Don Ensenat, who was President Bush's Yale roommate, the president shook hands with Washington Life Magazine's Soroush Shehabi. "I'm the grandson of one of the late Shah's ministers," said Soroush, "and I simply want to say one U.S. bomb on Iran and the regime we all despise will remain in power for another 20 or 30 years and 70 million Iranians will become radicalized."

"I know," President Bush answered.

"But does Vice President Cheney know?" asked Soroush.

President Bush chuckled and walked away."

Meanwhile, the deadly delusion fools running this Administration, have friends saying this:
"WE MUST bomb Iran.

It has been four years since that country's secret nuclear program was brought to light, and the path of diplomacy and sanctions has led nowhere.

First, we agreed to our allies' requests that we offer Tehran a string of concessions, which it spurned. Then, Britain, France and Germany wanted to impose a batch of extremely weak sanctions. For instance, Iranians known to be involved in nuclear activities would have been barred from foreign travel — except for humanitarian or religious reasons — and outside countries would have been required to refrain from aiding some, but not all, Iranian nuclear projects."
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-muravchik19nov19,0,1681154.story?coll=la-opinion-center

We must do something to stop this. The Democrats appear to be chickening out once again, but unlike Iraq, this could have even more dire consequences for our nation.

Even if we call their offices, that's not going to work.

If we protest, we know from experience that won't work either.

What the hell else do we do?

[sallyseven]

1. Try shutting up.

[originalpckelly]

2. ?

:shrug:

[poverlay]

3. Please explain. nt

[sallyseven]

12. I am sick and tired of the constant whine from people

on this board. The Democrats this and the Democrats that and how they are all wrong. We can't trust them. For christ sakes they have only been there a short time. Maybe you should get off the board and read other information. They have held hearings and are making progress. If they start tipping things over your going to have a back lash. Let the repuks look stupid and they do.

[poverlay]

20. Regardless of whether or not I agree with you, there is no reason for you to tell the OP to shut up.

That was simply rude and completely uncalled for.

Disagree and debate all you like, but please be polite. It's what separates us from the "repuks"...

[originalpckelly]

4. OH MY GOD! They're doing it on MSNBC!

People talking about "the threat we face from Iran."

We don't face a fucking threat from Iran, what the fuck are these people smoking?

[itsmesgd]

5. you are just being over dramatic

When in the past four years have we ever bombed a country without proper justification simply because a faction of nuts within the government felt that it served their greater (financial) good?

Oh wait, didnt we just do that?

I mean, come on it's not like we have two carrier strike groups in the region, a third on the way...
Or like we have given Patriot anti-missle batteries to our friends in the region...
Or we are beginning to make up a list of lies in order to demonize Iran so that we can strike them...
Or we are trying to tie them to terrorism...

You're just being crazy by observing what we did four years ago and predicting that we'll do it again...because we are well on the way to.... um I forgot what I was going to say

[originalpckelly]

6. We need to start calling the Speaker and promise to remove her from office in a primary...

if she allows a resolution on Iran to come up. She lives in SF after all, and I don't think they'll be too happy with her letting Bush bomb Iran.

[itsmesgd]

7. there will not be another resolution

shrub will use the "authority" he has already been given under the terror something-or-other act. Congress needs to actively rebuke his previous authorization(s), else he will continue to use it. Hillary said that she felt that she was lied to when she voted for the Iraq war resolution, but they have yet to repeal it. It will not facilitate bringing the troops home, but it would stop shrub from using this as his claim that Congress supports him.

BUT...The Congress cannot even vote on whether or not to vote for a non-binding resolution to slap his hands. So, nothing will get done.


on edit:
Seder just hit this same story into the upper deck and posed the question "what will we do when the Congress does not give him further authorization and attacks Iran anyway?"

[originalpckelly]

8. We all forget how Daschle caved in to Bush and the Republicans in the Senate...

never underestimate the propaganda organs of the Republican party. Just look at that damn bullshit story about Pelosi's fucking plane. Imagine if it was something really important.

[Edweird]

10. it's just bullying and intimidation

our reps need to grow or buy a set of cojones and take these jerks to the woodshed. Or step down and let someone else do their job. This bs cowering crap is enabling the pukes, and that's wrong.

[ShortnFiery]

15. Yes, if they don't act and we happen to have a country left, I say we elect in a new batch

of Democrats, i.e., vote for their opponent in their next Democratic Primary. :shrug:

That's about all the leverage us "little people" have now.

Hello!?! You whorish corporate M$M! Iran is NOT a threat! Warmongering a**holes! :puke:

[originalpckelly]

17. I think we have to start worrying because this past weekend...

BayCityProgressive had a thread talking about the people who fund the DLC:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=173238

They're the same people that fund Republican organizations.

There are a lot of Democrats in the House and Senate who are members of that "New Democrat Coalition" which is the caucus for the DLC.

That's more than enough to vote for the resolution with the Republicans, and then it would look like everyday Democrats were equally responsible for the war, when we are not.

[itsmesgd]

19. Just see the countless stories of Hillary and Rupert Murdoch's new friendship

Or see one of the many commercials with George I and Bill globetrotting and hanging out together.

[ShortnFiery]

21. I'm with you there.

I guess the only thing us peasant class Democrats (non-investors in the war machine) can hope for is that we have a country left after the BLOW-BACK from the insane actions of PNAC Republicans and DLC Democrats has run it's full course.

By then, the terms "right wing" and "conservative" will be despised as much as "left wing" and "liberal" are now.

Unfortunately, we will be back to a full blown depression and the rich will have moved their families to South America. :(

[itsmesgd]

11. it's all about putting us to sleep with the BS stories

Just like before 9/11. It was Gary Condit, Shandra Levy day after day then boom, 9/11/01.
So now it'll be Pelosi's plane, Anna Nichol Smith.......Iran war.

Or my big fear is that he knows he cant start another war without another "Pearl Harbor-type attack here at home". No one will notice that we have had the Navy in the gulf on standby waiting for something to happen, but we will go soft after an attack here and just start screaming for war (again).

[Edweird]

9. I hear ya.

If our representatives don't actually represent us, what do we do? I'm just a little angry about the way they have been tip-toeing around everything.

[ShortnFiery]

13. It's not Iran but The United States of America that is FEARED by the world community.

Therefore, we are *the bogeyman*, not Iran, EVEN IF they are seeking a nuclear weapons.

Why? The rest of the world, especially the countries in the M.E. want to do the same in order to PREVENT the USA from invading their Countries.

Well, DUH! We are the NAZIS now ... especially if we bomb Iran and do not leave the sovereign country of Iraq instead of remaining as occupiers.

[itsmesgd]

14. they have to get nukes

If they are sitting on oil, they are marked for death. The only reason that Kim Il is safe in North Korea is that we think that he might already have a nuke or two.

It goes back to the term "Mutual Assured Destruction" from the cold war. We didn't attack the USSR is because we knew that they would destroy us too. If the Soviets did not have a nuke, we would have nuked them.

Having a nuke is self defense. Not using the nuke, but having it.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Just try to tell our warmongering M$M that? "The IED" story is quoted like it's the gospel.n/t

[itsmesgd]

18. Jefferson wanted media to be the "fourth estate" in the government to assist in the checks

and balances along with the executive, legislative, and judiciary branches. Unfortunately, the original three branches are being controled by the "unitary executive" king shrub. The MSM has also fallen under his control and the control of the corporate masters that run the rest of the government. So we now not only have a totalitarian government but media as well. And they will act in unison with the rest of the government to get this war started.

[bdamomma]

22. if anyone thinks the world will just sit back and watch this maniac

we have in Office invade or bomb Iran, we are or some of those who are out there living in denial are in for a very rude awakening.

[ShortnFiery]

23. No, Pooty Putin may just "make a stand" to be on the side of Iran.

What would the Idiot King do then? :scared:

[bdamomma]

28. I would not try to get on the bad side of putin, that is for damn sure.

putin knows that * is out of control.

[itsmesgd]

24. what can anyone else do?

what if he causes an attack a la 9/11 here and then says that Iran did it? What could another country do? Please forward your reply to their embassies so that they can be ready to stop shrub.

[Edweird]

25. I understand there is a love triangle with Iran and russia and china

I think the big boys might step up. Which may give the end time death cult what they want.

[Individualist]

29. I'm concerned about the reactions of Russia and China also

It's doubtful they'll stand by idly when the cabal bombs Iran.

[indepat]

27. Can anyone step forth and refute: "We are the NAZIS now...." ? Hint: if it walks

like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a...might help.

[dogday]

26. Same song and dance as they did

for going to war with Iraq, just change the q to a n and you have war with Iran.... These war-mongering oil-greedy bastards will never stop raping the middle east....