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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:22 PM
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Since the 2004 election is being revisited, here are some facts:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ohio_provisional_11-03-04.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/election.main/index.html

http://archive.salon.com/politics/war_room/2004/11/02/ohio_provisional/index.html

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_print.asp?id=25809

I worked as a Green volunteer . . .

on the recount here in Ohio and you're right, Kerry's team was here all the way. In one of the counties I witnessed in, his witnesses worked late into the night with our coordinator and uncovered false numbers that led to the revelation that every ballot in the county had been recounted w/o witnesses between the certified vote and the official recount itself.

Snip...

by ponderer on Sun Apr 23, 2006 at 02:14:12 PM EDT

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2006/4/23/115230/700/26#c26


Kerry continued legal efforts:

Today, Kerry-Edwards filed a document in support of that statement. Most significant, Kerry-Edwards also filed today a separate document in support of our motion for hearing with two critical attachments: 1) a declaration from Kerry-Edwards attorney Don McTigue regarding a survey he conducted of Kerry-Edwards county recount coordinators; 2) a summary chart of the results of that survey (which highlight the inconsistent standards applied during the recount).

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/2/24/183243/756

http://www.truthout.org/pdf/cobbbadnariktransfertatement22305.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardsmctiguedecl22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardsmotionforhearing22405.pdf
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardssummarychart22405.pdf (counting)
http://www.truthout.org/pdf/kerryedwardstransferstatement22405.pdf


"In his first high-profile address since conceding the presidential election, Senator John F. Kerry used Boston's annual Martin Luther King Jr. memorial breakfast yesterday to decry what he called the suppression of thousands of would-be voters last November.

"Thousands of people were suppressed in their efforts to vote. Voting machines were distributed in uneven ways," the former Democratic nominee told an enthusiastic audience of 1,200 at the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center in South Boston."

"In Democratic districts, it took people four, five, 11 hours to vote, while Republicans through in 10 minutes. Same voting machines, same process, our America," Kerry said.

Snip...

In an e-mail message he sent to his supporters on the day before Congress certified the election results earlier this month, Kerry cited "widespread reports of irregularities, questionable practices by some election officials, and instances of lawful voters being denied the right to vote" in the battleground state of Ohio.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/01/18/kerry_alleges_voters_were_suppressed?mode=PF


As Conyers report stated:

Whether the cumulative effect of these legal violations would have altered the actual outcome is not known at this time. However, we do know that there are many serious and intentional violations which violate Ohio’s own law, that the Secretary of State has done everything in his power to avoid accounting for such violations, and it is incumbent on Congress to protect the integrity of its own laws by recognizing the seriousness of these legal violations.

B. Need for Further Congressional Hearings

It is also clear the U.S. Congress needs to conduct additional and more vigorous hearings into the irregularities in the Ohio presidential election and around the country.


While we have conducted our own Democratic hearings and investigation, we have been handicapped by the fact that key participants in the election, such as Secretary of State Blackwell, have refused to cooperate in our hearings or respond to Mr. Conyers questions. While GAO officials are prepared to move forward with a wide ranging analysis of systemic problems in the 2004 elections, they are not planning to conduct the kind of specific investigation needed to get to the bottom of the range of problems evident in Ohio. As a result, it appears that the only means of obtaining his cooperation in any congressional investigation is under the threat of subpoena, which only the Majority may require.

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/issues/issues/election.html


Almost a year later:

August 31, 2005

Kerry and Edwards to Stay in Recount Case!!! Trial to Start in August 2006

Don McTigue, attorney for John Kerry and John Edwards, appeared in federal court in Toledo, before Judge Carr, on August 30th, and told the Court that Kerry and Edwards intend to remain in the case.

Judge Carr set an August 22, 2006 trial date.

Additionally he consolidated the two recount cases, Rios v. Blackwell and Yost v. Cobb & Badnarik. He gave the plaintiffs until September 15th to file amended pleadings (plaintiff's counsel had requested an opportunity to streamline their claims).

Judge Carr set a discovery cut-off of May 1, 2006, and ruled that any summary judgment motions must be made by May 15, 2006.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/08/kerry-and-edwards-to-stay-in-recount.html


February 10, 2006

Associated Press Reports: Ohio Recount Suit Dismissed
According to the Associated Press, the Ohio recount suit has been dismissed:

Judge Dismisses Penultimate Ohio Lawsuit
By JOHN McCARTHY, Associated Press Writer
Thu Feb 9, 10:42 PM ET

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A federal judge has thrown out a lawsuit over Ohio's recount of the 2004 presidential election, leaving only one court challenge remaining from the state's role in the re-election of President Bush.

U.S. District Judge James Carr in Toledo threw out the suit filed by a voting rights group on behalf of the Green Party and Libertarian candidates. Tuesday's dismissal, barring an appeal, leaves active only a suit filed by the League of Women Voters of Ohio.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2006/02/associated-press-reports-ohio-recount.html


Blogged by JC on 08.22.05 @ 04:19 PM ET

Fighting for Every Voter

A few more words about an issue that is of the utmost importance to me.

As political candidates, we spend considerable time and effort every election cycle fighting for votes. After the election, whether won or lost, many candidates leave the irregularities of the election behind. But we owe the voters more than that. When voters are disenfrachised, we owe it to them to seek justice and expose the truth. That is why I have been so proud of the Kerry-Edwards campaign's ongoing involvement in the investigation and litigation of what went wrong in Ohio. I wrote to the candidates recently to ask that they continue to be involved in this important endeavor.

This is not about the past. It is about figuring out what went wrong and why -- and then getting the next election right, not for the Democratic Party, but for all of the voters.

http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000213.htm


August 31, 2005

Kerry and Edwards to Stay in Recount Case!!! Trial to Start in August 2006

Don McTigue, attorney for John Kerry and John Edwards, appeared in federal court in Toledo, before Judge Carr, on August 30th, and told the Court that Kerry and Edwards intend to remain in the case.

Judge Carr set an August 22, 2006 trial date.

Additionally he consolidated the two recount cases, Rios v. Blackwell and Yost v. Cobb & Badnarik. He gave the plaintiffs until September 15th to file amended pleadings (plaintiff's counsel had requested an opportunity to streamline their claims).

Judge Carr set a discovery cut-off of May 1, 2006, and ruled that any summary judgment motions must be made by May 15, 2006.

http://fairnessbybeckerman.blogspot.com/2005/08/kerry-and-edwards-to-stay-in-recount.html


DECEPTIVE PRACTICES AND VOTER INTIMIDATION PREVENTION -- (Senate - November 10, 2005)
GPO's PDF

--- Mr. KERRY. Mr. President, I proudly join as a cosponsor of Senator Obama's Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005. This important legislation will protect voters from the deceptive practices that aimed to keep them from the polls on election day.

Free and fair elections are the foundation of our democracy--a democracy built on the unassailable principle that every single American should have an equal say in their government. No American should ever approach their polling place in fear. No American should ever worry that they will somehow be penalized for exercising their fundamental right to vote . No American should ever be tricked into thinking they do not have the right to vote .

The Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevent Act takes great strides towards ensuring that no American will ever be denied the right to vote . It both criminalizes deceptive practices and provides affected individuals with a private right of action. It prevents the negative effects of deceptive practices by ensuring voters get accurate election information. It also requires the Attorney General to report allegations of deceptive practices, the actions taken to correct them, and any prosecutions resulting from those allegations.

We have worked hard to bring fair and free elections to people around the word-including the people of Iraq and Afghanistan. We must do everything in our power to ensure that our own elections are at least as fair and as free.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbn


S.1975
Title: A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.
Sponsor: Sen Obama, Barack (introduced 11/8/2005) Cosponsors (4)
Related Bills: H.R.4463
Latest Major Action: 11/8/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.
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COSPONSORS(4), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham - 12/12/2005
Sen Feingold, Russell D. - 12/12/2005
Sen Kerry, John F. - 11/10/2005
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. - 12/12/2005


Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005
(Introduced in Senate)

S. 1975 IS

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 1975

To prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

November 8, 2005

Mr. OBAMA introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration

A BILL

To prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Deceptive Practices and Voter Intimidation Prevention Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. DECEPTIVE PRACTICES IN ELECTIONS.

(a) Civil Action-

(1) IN GENERAL- Subsection (b) of section 2004 of the Revised Statutes (42 U.S.C. 1971(b)) is amended--

(A) by striking `No person' and inserting the following:

`(1) No person'; and

(B) by inserting at the end the following new paragraph:

`(2) No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall knowingly deceive any other person regarding--

`(A) the time, place, or manner of conducting a general, primary, run-off, or special election for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, or Delegate or Commissioner from a territory or possession; or

`(B) the qualifications for or restrictions on voter eligibility for any election described in subparagraph (A).'.

(2) PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION-

(A) IN GENERAL- Subsection (c) of section 2004 of the Revised Statutes (42 U.S.C. 1971(c)) is amended--

(i) by striking `Whenever any person' and inserting the following:

`(1) Whenever any person'; and

(ii) by adding at the end the following new paragraph:

`(2) Any person aggrieved by a violation of subsection (b)(2) may institute a civil action or other proper proceeding for preventive relief, including an application in a United States district court for a permanent or temporary injunction, restraining order, or other order.'.

(B) CONFORMING AMENDMENTS-

(i) Subsection (e) of section 2004 of the Revised Statutes (42 U.S.C. 1971(e)) is amended by striking `subsection (c)' and inserting `subsection (c)(1)'.

(ii) Subsection (g) of section 2004 of the Revised Statutes (42 U.S.C. 1971(g)) is amended by striking `subsection (c)' and inserting `subsection (c)(1)'.

(b) Criminal Penalty- Section 594 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) by striking `Whoever' and inserting the following:

`(a) Intimidation- Whoever'; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:

`(b) Deceptive Acts-

`(1) PROHIBITION-

`(A) IN GENERAL- It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly deceive another person regarding the time, place, or manner of an election described in subparagraph (B), or the qualifications for or restrictions on voter eligibility for any such election, with the intent to prevent such person from exercising the right to vote in such election.

`(B) ELECTION- An election described in this subparagraph is any general, primary, run-off, or special election for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate of the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner.

`(2) PENALTY- Any person who violates paragraph (1) shall be fined not more than $100,000, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.'.

(c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act.

SEC. 3. REPORTING FALSE ELECTION INFORMATION.

(a) In General- Any person may report to the Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, or the designee of such Assistant Attorney General, any act of deception regarding--

(1) the time, place, or manner of conducting a general, primary, run-off, or special election for Federal office; or

(2) the qualifications for or restrictions on voter eligibility for any general, primary, run-off, or special election for Federal office.

(b) Corrective Action-

(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (2), not later than 48 hours after receiving a report under subsection (a), the Assistant Attorney General shall investigate such report and, if the Assistant Attorney General determines that an act of deception described in subsection (a) occurred, shall--

(A) undertake all effective measures necessary to provide correct information to voters affected by the deception, and

(B) refer the matter to the appropriate Federal and State authorities for criminal prosecution.

(2) REPORTS WITHIN 72 HOURS OF AN ELECTION- If a report under subsection (a) is received within 72 hours before the election described in such subsection, the Assistant Attorney General shall immediately investigate such report and, if the Assistant Attorney General determines that an act of deception described in subsection (a) occurred, shall immediately undertake all effective measures necessary to provide correct information to voters affected by the deception.

(3) REGULATIONS-

(A) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General shall promulgate regulations regarding the methods and means of corrective actions to be taken under paragraphs (1) and (2). Such regulations shall be developed in consultation with the Election Assistance Commission, civil rights organizations, voting rights groups, State election officials, voter protection groups, and other interested community organizations.

(B) STUDY-

(i) IN GENERAL- The Attorney General, in consultation with the Federal Communications Commission and the Election Assistance Commission, shall conduct a study on the feasibility of providing the corrective information under paragraphs (1) and (2) through public service announcements, the emergency alert system, or other forms of public broadcast.

(ii) REPORT- Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Attorney General shall submit to Congress a report detailing the results of the study conducted under clause (i).

(c) Reports to Congress-

(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 90 days after any primary, general, or run-off election for Federal office, the Attorney General shall submit to the appropriate committees of Congress a report compiling and detailing any allegations of deceptive practices submitted pursuant to subsection (a) and relating to such election.

(2) CONTENTS-

(A) IN GENERAL- Each report submitted under paragraph (1) shall include--

(i) detailed information on specific allegations of deceptive tactics;

(ii) any corrective actions taken in response to such allegations;

(iii) the effectiveness of any such corrective actions;

(iv) any suit instituted under section 2004(b)(2) of the Revised Statutes (42 U.S.C. 1971(b)(2)) in connection with such allegations;

(v) statistical compilations of how many allegations were made and of what type;

(vi) the geographic locations of and the populations affected by the alleged deceptive information; and

(vii) the status of the investigations of such allegations.

(B) EXCEPTION- The Attorney General may withhold any information that the Attorney General determines would unduly interfere with an on-going investigation.

(3) REPORT MADE PUBLIC- The Attorney General shall make the report required under paragraph (1) publicly available through the Internet and other appropriate means.

(d) Federal Office- For purposes of this section, the term `Federal office' means the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, or Delegate or Commissioner from a territory or possession of the United States.

(e) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated to the Attorney General such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.


S.450
Title: A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified paper record, to improve provisional balloting, to impose additional requirements under such Act, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham (introduced 2/17/2005) Cosponsors (6)
Related Bills: H.R.939
Latest Major Action: 2/17/2005 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration. COSPONSORS(6), ALPHABETICAL : (Sort: by date)


Sen Boxer, Barbara - 2/17/2005
Sen Dayton, Mark - 3/7/2005
Sen Kerry, John F. - 2/17/2005
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. - 2/17/2005
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. - 3/1/2005
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. - 2/17/2005



S.450
Count Every Vote Act of 2005
(Introduced in Senate)
Beginning
February 17, 2005

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

Sec. 104. Voter verification and audit capacity funding.

TITLE I--VOTER VERIFICATION AND AUDITING

SEC. 101. PROMOTING ACCURACY, INTEGRITY, AND SECURITY THROUGH PRESERVATION OF A VOTER-VERIFIED PAPER RECORD OR HARD COPY.

SEC. 102. REQUIREMENT FOR MANDATORY RECOUNTS.

SEC. 103. SPECIFIC, DELINEATED REQUIREMENT OF STUDY, TESTING, AND DEVELOPMENT OF BEST PRACTICES.

SEC. 104. VOTER-VERIFICATION AND AUDIT CAPACITY FUNDING.

`PART 7--VOTER-VERIFICATION AND AUDIT CAPACITY FUNDING

`SEC. 297. VOTER-VERIFICATION AND AUDIT CAPACITY FUNDING.

`SEC. 298. APPROPRIATION.

SEC. 105. REPORTS AND PROVISION OF SECURITY CONSULTATION SERVICES.

`SEC. 248. REPORTS AND PROVISION OF SECURITY CONSULTATION SERVICES.

SEC. 106. IMPROVEMENTS TO VOTING SYSTEMS.

TITLE II--PROVISIONAL BALLOTS

SEC. 201. REQUIREMENTS FOR CASTING AND COUNTING PROVISIONAL BALLOTS.

TITLE III--ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE HELP AMERICA VOTE ACT OF 2002
Subtitle A--Shortening Voter Wait Times

SEC. 301. MINIMUM REQUIRED VOTING SYSTEMS, POLL WORKERS, AND ELECTION RESOURCES.

`Subtitle C--Additional Requirements

`SEC. 321. MINIMUM REQUIRED VOTING SYSTEMS AND POLL WORKERS.

`Subtitle E--Guidance and Standards

`SEC. 299. STANDARDS FOR ESTABLISHING THE MINIMUM REQUIRED VOTING SYSTEMS AND POLL WORKERS.

SEC. 302. REQUIREMENTS FOR JURISDICTIONS WITH SUBSTANTIAL VOTER WAIT TIMES.

`TITLE X--REMEDIAL PLANS FOR STATES WITH EXCESSIVE VOTER WAIT TIMES

`SEC. 1001. REMEDIAL PLANS FOR STATES WITH EXCESSIVE VOTER WAIT TIMES.

Subtitle B--No-Excuse Absentee Voting

SEC. 311. NO-EXCUSE ABSENTEE VOTING.

`SEC. 322. NO-EXCUSE ABSENTEE VOTING.

Subtitle C--Collection and Dissemination of Election Data

SEC. 321. DATA COLLECTION.

`SEC. 323. PUBLIC REPORTS ON FEDERAL ELECTIONS.

Subtitle D--Ensuring Well Run Elections

SEC. 331. TRAINING OF ELECTION OFFICIALS.

`SEC. 324. TRAINING OF ELECTION OFFICIALS.

SEC. 332. IMPARTIAL ADMINISTRATION OF ELECTIONS.

`SEC. 325. ELECTION ADMINISTRATION REQUIREMENTS.

Subtitle E--Standards for Purging Voters

SEC. 341. STANDARDS FOR PURGING VOTERS.

`SEC. 326. REMOVAL FROM VOTER REGISTRATION LIST.

Subtitle F--Election Day Registration and Early Voting

SEC. 351. ELECTION DAY REGISTRATION.

`SEC. 327. ELECTION DAY REGISTRATION.

`SEC. 299A. ELECTION DAY REGISTRATION FORM.

SEC. 352. EARLY VOTING.

`SEC. 328. EARLY VOTING.

`SEC. 299B. STANDARDS FOR EARLY VOTING.

TITLE IV--VOTER REGISTRATION AND IDENTIFICATION

SEC. 401. VOTER REGISTRATION.

`SEC. 329. PROCESSING OF REGISTRATION APPLICATIONS.

`SEC. 299C. STANDARDS FOR MATERIAL OMISSION FROM REGISTRATION FORMS.

`SEC. 249. STUDY ON INTERNET REGISTRATION AND OTHER USES OF THE INTERNET IN FEDERAL ELECTIONS.

SEC. 402. ESTABLISHING VOTER IDENTIFICATION.

`SEC. 299D. VOTER IDENTIFICATION.

`PART 8--PHOTO IDENTIFICATION

`SEC. 298A. PAYMENTS FOR FREE PHOTO IDENTIFICATION.

`SEC. 298B. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.

SEC. 403. REQUIREMENT FOR FEDERAL CERTIFICATION OF TECHNOLOGICAL SECURITY OF VOTER REGISTRATION LISTS.

TITLE V--PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES

SEC. 501. PROHIBITION ON CERTAIN CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES.

`CAMPAIGN ACTIVITIES BY ELECTION OFFICIALS AND VOTING SYSTEM MANUFACTURERS
TITLE VI--ENDING DECEPTIVE PRACTICES

SEC. 601. ENDING DECEPTIVE PRACTICES.

TITLE VII--CIVIC PARTICIPATION BY EX-OFFENDERS

SEC. 701. VOTING RIGHTS OF INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF CRIMINAL OFFENSES.

`SEC. 330. NOTIFICATION OF RESTORATION OF VOTING RIGHTS.

TITLE VIII--FEDERAL ELECTION DAY ACT

SEC. 801. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 802. FEDERAL ELECTION DAY AS A PUBLIC HOLIDAY.

SEC. 803. STUDY ON ENCOURAGING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES TO SERVE AS POLL WORKERS.

`SEC. 250. STUDY ON ENCOURAGING GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES TO SERVE AS POLL WORKERS.

TITLE IX--TRANSMISSION OF CERTIFICATE OF ASCERTAINMENT OF ELECTORS

SEC. 901. TRANSMISSION OF CERTIFICATE OF ASCERTAINMENT OF ELECTORS.

TITLE X--STRENGTHENING THE ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION

SEC. 1001. STRENGTHENING THE ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION.

`SEC. 209. SUBMISSION OF BUDGET REQUESTS.

`SEC. 299E. TECHNICAL SUPPORT.

SEC. 1002. REPEAL OF EXEMPTION OF ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION FROM CERTAIN GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING REQUIREMENTS.

SEC. 1003. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.


EMERGENCY PAPER BALLOT BILL IN HOUSE! KERRY/FEINGOLD ISSUE SENATE RES!

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:32 PM
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1. great educational thread for those that are uniformed as to the truth.Thank you.
Kick and rec.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:00 PM
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2. But, but...Kerry did nothing! He's a coward!
Great post.
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:19 PM
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3. LOL!
No doubt there will be a few of those comments by people who are too lazy to read or who are too indoctrinated with false information that they won't believe any amount of factual information.



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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:32 PM
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8. Agreed. So many people stick so stubbornly to that meme.
Edited on Sat Sep-22-07 10:41 PM by TwilightZone
I guess it's easier than considering information that disagrees with one's agenda or preconceptions.

Edit: typo
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:14 AM
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37. Don't look now but...
they're here....
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:19 PM
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4. K&R
Edited on Sat Sep-22-07 10:46 PM by politicasista
:kick:
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:20 PM
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5. K&R-I proudly voted for Senator Kerry and would do so again.nt
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:23 PM
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6. Excellent post. Well done.
Good sources cited. How refreshing to have a presentation of the facts, just the facts.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:25 PM
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7. The travesty is that this is public knowledge, and
the repercussions are... nigh on non-existent.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 10:44 PM
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9. kick
n/t
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 11:35 PM
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10. Kerry hasn't done shit, and still remains silent
about Bowen California, Florida 13, Dan Rather report and countless reports about the machines rigging the vote count.

I don't want to just pick on Kerry, he isn't alone in his silence, ALL the politicians that are put in office with these machines, remain silent, they have said nothing, nada, zip.

As every day goes by the politicians are looking more and more ridiculous with their silence on this matter.

The politicians want to stay in the race but they don't care how their ballots are counted?

Come on! Think about it.

Good grief, already!
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 12:15 AM
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13. Scroll up. n/t
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 10:47 PM
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35. Scroll down two............NT
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 09:21 AM
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17. Don't the fingers in your ears and the blinders on your eyes get old?
Your response sounds like "so what has Kerry done for us lately?" on election integrity. I dare say a great deal more than those folks (like you here on DU as well as the forces of evil in Repuke offices, the Election Center and among the voting machine vendors) who are blocking Holt. Speaking for one of eight states whose elections would be made much more secure before 2008 by Holt, thanks a hell of a lot ... for absolutely nothing.

Read the thread already. Good grief!!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 10:43 PM
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34. THIS MAN IS NOT A CORPORATE TOADIE PLEASE SHOW KERRY
and ask him why he will not talk in public about the secret vote counting machines.

http://blip.tv/file/82767
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 07:16 AM
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36. "...Please show Kerry ..."? What on earth does that mean?
And, kster, you don't have to capitlize your response. We know you're screaming every time you post. It's a shame that you still don't appear to have taken the time to read the OP, as you were asked to do by two of us. Since you insist on keeping the cotton in your ears and the blindfold over your eyes, have you ever considered a sock in your mouth? Just askin'.

See no answers
Hear no answers
Speak no sense
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 09:01 PM
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38. -
:hi:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 11:37 PM
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11. K n R
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 11:48 PM
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12. kick n/t
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:03 AM
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14. I think it's pretty clear by now that both the 2000 and the 2004 elections . . .
were stolen outright . . . the only question that remains is: Why the hell isn't anybody (read:Congress) DOING something about it . . .

suspending disbelief for one brief moment, there are three things that, IF TRUE, paint a frightening picture of where we stand as a nation . . .

1) the eventS of 9/11 were, at minimum, allowed to happen and, at worse, facilitated by factions of the Bush/Cheney administration;

2) Bush and Cheney were not elected by the American people, but stole both of their elections through a variety of nefarious means; and

3) the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have nothing to do with democracy or stopping terrorism or anything else other than oil and massive (and largely illegal) corporate profits . . .

again, suspending disbelief for a moment, what if all three of these things are true? . . . where does that leave us as a nation? . . . and what can we expect in the not-so-distant future? . . .

damned scary shit, this . . .
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 07:41 PM
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42. This. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:13 PM
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44. Nothing is being done because POWERFUL Dems don't WANT Gore and Kerry to be seen
as leaders who WON, and by the greatest numbers ever for Democrats.

The DC powerstructure needs Democratic voters to believe that ONLY a centrist in the Clinton mode can win elections - thus preserving the corporatists' grip on our government.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 08:58 AM
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15. Yes! Hell yes! You have done DU a great service through this thread.
Even on the ER forum, I am having to deal with the "Kerry did nothing" nonsense from people who certainly should know better. I recommended that one persistent taser threader there just call Kerry's office for a list of all he had done. I doubt that ever happened.

Now, with your thread, it doesn't have to.

I would also include Kerry's contributions to help fund the Washington state recount in their Governor's race. No list of Kerry's contributions to election integrity would be exhaustive. No accounting of the laziness and misrepresentations made by Kerry detractors would be inaccurate.

K & R. Gladly.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 09:09 AM
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16. Thank you. Here:

In election struggle, Kerry rides again to Gregoire's aid

By PAUL SHUKOVSKY
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

U.S. Sen. John Kerry lent his star power last night to a Washington state Democratic Party fund-raiser for Gov. Christine Gregoire as she battles in court to keep her job.

The state Republican Party is challenging Democrat Gregoire's 129-vote margin of victory in November over Dino Rossi in a lawsuit that will be a heavy drain on the treasuries of both parties. Pretrial motions will be heard today in a Chelan County courtroom.

In remarks last night to hundreds of party faithful, who paid between $75 and $250 for a salmon dinner, state Chairman Paul Berendt praised Kerry's commitment to keeping the governor's office in Democratic hands in the days immediately after the election.

"When we called on him to help us so we could count every vote ... Senator Kerry stepped forward and gave us a contribution of $250,000," Berendt said.

The event at the Daybreak Star Center in Discovery Park underscored the costs both parties face as they litigate who really won the state's top office. Gregoire edged out Rossi in a hand recount for which the Democratic Party had to pay. She had lost in two previous recounts.

Kerry said in an interview that the nation's political community is closely watching the case. But at the fund-raiser, neither Kerry nor Gregoire made substantial mention of the lawsuit, instead making what sounded like campaign stump speeches highlighting Democratic successes and the philosophical differences between the parties.

Gregoire touted what she called "one of the most successful legislative sessions in history," which gave the state more money for education as well as a major transportation infrastructure plan. She introduced Kerry by crediting him "with leading the way to allow a recount" with his $250,000 donation.

Kerry spent most of his 10-minute extemporaneous speech slamming the national Republican Party's budget priorities.

more

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 01:48 PM
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22. Thank you
for pointing out this excellent thread!!

Thanks ProSense for posting it!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 09:28 AM
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18. Wow. What a great OP! Thank you!
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 10:47 AM
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19. One more kick for the "reality-based" community that DU should remain.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 11:05 AM
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20. Scarey lesson here is that Republican Judges will not allow these cases to come to court but will
be dismissed ahead of time.

We will not be allowed to contest elections even when the evidence is there. They have done a lot of damage in placing highly partisan people within our justice system. If you haven't heard the recent Jeffrey Toobin interview on NPR's Fresh Air on the bu$h V Gore decision, I recommend folks listen to it (based on his new book on the SCOTUS. That decision was a political decision that at least Sandra Day O'Connor came to regret, but the decision (which was intended not to set precedent likemost decisions) has lead to 2 bu$h appointed justices that will sway the SCOTUS for many years. We have also seen the placement of highly partisan individuals within the DoJ as demonstrated by revelations from the recent US Attorney Scandal.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 01:23 PM
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21. afternoon kick
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MBS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:20 PM
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23. Excellent and important post
Thank you, ProSense, for your service to the world of fact-based analysis.
I also remember Sen. Kerry saying that they had 5000 lawyers on the ground in Ohio, on Election Day. . I think he said that this was the most ever in a presidential election (If anyone has different figures, please offer them: I'm just working on memory here).
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:47 PM
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24. Thanks, Prosense, for this comprehensive post on what Kerry did on this.
It is always good to have a look at the facts.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:49 PM
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25. DAMN those Greens
If it weren't for those jerks...
Waitaminute, you mean they kept fighting to get recounts that might have revealed that Kerry won??? Even after Most of the democratic party and the mainstream media had given up?

Well uhm...er...Ralph Nader sux!!!

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 02:50 PM
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26. Thank You, Kick & Rec & Impeach.
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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 05:25 PM
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27. Thanks, ProSense
copied and saved for the next time....
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 05:36 PM
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28. This will not stop the bash-bots.
Unfortunately they are programmed to bash Kerry until the rapture comes or their batteries wear out, whichever happens first.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 06:20 PM
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29. Thank you!
K&R.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 06:32 PM
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30. kick for the evening crowd n/t
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 07:30 PM
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31. The Corporate Media failed in its duty to report on Ohio 2004 as it was unfolding
because the Bush administration was offering bribes and blackmail to every single media player except MSNBC and McClatchy, the only two mainstream outlets that tried to raise awareness of the issue. Even NBC was conflicted. It should have come forward with its exit polls, but it was hoping for the appeal of the lower court ruling overturning federal media ownership rules which FCC Chair Michael Powell had promised if Bush was re-elected. The Bush administration never intended to keep that promise, as Powell admitted after Bush was sworn in for a second term. That plus a variety of other regulatory favors and blackmail caused the press to pretend that nothing was happening in Ohio, even as they covered the Ukraine election.

It did not matter what Kerry did. The press would have laughed at him and called him a sore loser.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 07:42 PM
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32. The truth can always use another K&R!
Thanks for a really comprehensive post, ProSense. :hi:
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-23-07 09:54 PM
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33. Truth vs. Urban Legend. Kicking for truth!
Nice post.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:50 PM
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39. Kick! n/t
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:51 PM
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40. Kicking in an effort to aid in misinformation from future duer's
becoming to prevalent
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-25-07 06:54 PM
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41. kick n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 12:53 PM
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43. Kick! n/t
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-27-07 01:20 PM
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45. Thank you, ProSense!

Kicking and saving this great thread.

:hi:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:58 PM
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46. Kick! n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:31 PM
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47. Amazing compilation
Notto mention if it is the candidate's job to secure the election before it happens - has there been much of an effort by the candidates who hope to win to investigate this. They won't have much time once they win.
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hibiscus Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:20 PM
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48. Kick n/t
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