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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:11 PM
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Pro-Life: The most inaccurate term ever.
I get really sick of hearing how people who support banning abortion refer to themselves as "Pro-Life." As if their opposite doesn't appreciate life in every form.

The people who refer to themselves as "Pro-Life" often refer to their opposite as "Pro-Abortion" instead of the accurate term: "Pro-Choice." Pro-Choice means that if you do not desire an abortion, you shouldn't get one, BUT if you feel as if you need one, you should be able to get one in safe and legal conditions.

Some may make the inverse claim that "Pro-Lifers" are making, that "Pro-Life" in this case is actually "Anti-Choice." Some may argue that would be extreme to refer to it as such. I, however, don't think so, but that argument is for another time. That said, I do not believe that those who call themselves "Pro-Lifers" are truly "Pro-Life."

Let's take the term "Pro-Life" at its basic etymology. Pro means supporting, and life means the state of being alive. Most would not argue against this rationale so far.

Thus, "Pro-Life" means that people support the state of being alive, both the individual and others. For the sake of this essay, let's focus on the aspect of keeping other people alive.

So, what would a true "Pro-Life" position entail?

Let's start at the root of the argument: abortion. In this case, I will concede that, to be purely "Pro-Life," one cannot support abortion other than in a position where the mother's life is in danger -- a situation in which more than one life is in stake. An abortion is indeed a cancellation of a potential life (keyword being POTENTIAL), so a position which preserves life would involve not supporting abortion.

However, one has to realize why people get abortions. Much of the time, it has to do with a potential lack of birth control. A true "Pro-Life" position would involve supporting the availability of birth control so that people will not be put into the compromising position of feeling the need to sacrifice a potential human life.

Also, many people -- both in America and worldwide -- are dying of reasons of impoverishment, such as homelessness, hunger, and cold. True "Pro-Lifers" would support doing whatever it takes to counter these societal ills and provide the poor of our world with all of the shelter, food, and clothing which would be necessary to survive and be healthy. This would include paying more in taxes to fund endeavors so that we in the United States -- the world's lone superpower -- can do so.

Speaking of the United States and the world scope, one who takes a "Pro-Life" position would take a firm stand against war, especially for purposes which could be summed up as political. Wars cost lives, simple as that, and while some may argue that even political wars are waged to save lives in the long term, there is ample historical evidence to suggest that this simply doesn't come true. Thus, a "Pro-Lifer" would do what it takes to make sure that war does not occur.

The sole exception to this case is fighting genocide (and no, Saddam Hussein was not genocidal, so don't attempt to argue that point). Genocide -- the mass extermination of life regarding a specific group or groups of people -- is the diametric opposite of "Pro-Life", and one who supports a "Pro-Life" position would adamantly demand that if their government can do something -- anything -- to capture and detain those who commit genocide, they do so. Yes, this may also include paying more taxes, but a "Pro-Lifer" would rationally argue that it would be worth paying more to preserve life, especially on a massive scale.

A "Pro-Life" position would also entail the support of stringent gun-control laws. The use of guns on people takes lives. It might be cool to own or collect guns, but let's face facts: one who is "Pro-Life" would work to ensure that the possibility of a gun taking a life is minimal.

"Pro-Life" would also mean unquestionable opposition to the death penalty. One could argue that since the perpetrator killed someone, he or she should be killed in return for not respecting the sanctity of life. That is an understandable position, but it is not in the spirit of the maintenance of life. A "Pro-Life" position would insist that the murderer not be killed, as state-sponsored execution is still the taking of life.

The final aspect of a true "Pro-Life" position would involve the support of a universal health-care system. Giving all people, regardless of any conceivable status, the opportunity to receive the medicine and care which they need, will usually help to extend people's lives, both in quantity and quality. This is "Pro-Life" at its core. True, this would also require paying more in taxes, but if one is truly for the preservation of life, it would be wholly worth the extra money to ensure that life is indeed preserved.

This is the summation of a position which is genuinely "Pro-Life." Do I fit into this category? No, for I support a woman's right to choose if she wants an abortion, as well as the fact that I waver when it comes to the death penalty. However, the vast majority of people probably don't support the entirety of this position.

That said, to honestly refer to oneself as "Pro-Life," one needs to personally accept each of these positions. Most of those who refer to themselves as "Pro-Life" -- i.e. those who oppose abortion rights -- do not support the stances on many of the other issues which are listed here.

In other words, one issue doesn't define an all-encompassing title, and those who say they're "Pro-Life" aren't actually so.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:15 PM
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1. Excellent post.
K&R.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:18 PM
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2. Great post, but...
You're facing the choir, preacher. The congregation is that way.
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:32 PM
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7. Yeah true. n/t
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:18 PM
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3. and interestingly enough,
they manage to somehow justify killing doctors. Pro-life, my ass.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:25 PM
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4. They're Pro-Life...PRE-BIRTH. After those babies are born, they lose all interest in helping them.
Pro-Lifers are hypocrites.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:28 PM
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5. What gets me
is that most of them support the death penalty (as do I, under certain circumstances). Surely, a consistent pro-life stance (such as that held by my late Grimmer) would oppose abortion, war and the death penalty while working to provide access to contraception, reduce poverty and look after those children already born.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:31 PM
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6. They're "anti-choice" to me.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:33 PM
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8. K & R. Great post.
eom

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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:12 AM
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13. Thanks, but what does K & R mean?
I've seen it before and never thought to ask...
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:02 AM
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15. Kick for kick (moving the thread up the page); R for recommend
as in a vote to put the thread on Greatest Page.
:)

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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:09 PM
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23. Awesome!
Thanks! :-)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:33 PM
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9. Actually it should be pro-fetus development until birth after which
....it goes into various branches of pro-slavery, pro-indebitedness, pro-exploitation and pro-death
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:50 PM
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10. you are right. Pro-pregnancy fits them far more accurately. n/t
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:27 AM
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22. Exactly! They aren't pro-fetus because they do nothing to ensure the health of fetuses
Are the self-proclaimed 'pro-life' people out there fighting to end pollution like mercury which causes brain damage in fetuses? Do they support a minimum wage that is a Living Wage so preganant women and their significant others can provide a healthy home for the child once it is born? Do they support welfare for those who are unable to work? Few do and so I refuse to call them 'pro-life'.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:52 PM
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11. I call them Pro- 'Forced Childbirth' or 'Mandatory Motherhood' or 'Pregnancy as Punishment'
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 10:52 PM
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12. Wanted: New Pro-Life Leadership!
Their old leaders are too afraid to say everything you just said. Their paychecks matter too much. And at the grassroots level they're afraid of being ostracized from their groups.

I was raised conservative Catholic. The Baltimore Cathechism told us that God made the human soul free. The ability to be free is about the only thing that distinguishes us from other animals. Therefore that which violates human freedom is anti-human life.

To bring lives into the World and NOT provide at least a minimal amount of support for their needs IS anti-Life.

Supporting a plan to ground millions of middle-class jobs in Eternal War, a.k.a Private Contracting in the War on Terrorism, is Pro-Death.

The fact that so many Pro-Life proponents FAIL utterly to recognize these extremely obvious contradictions can mean only one thing: "Pro-Life" isn't about Life. I, for one, think their fundamental driving motivation has much more to do with SEX, overt interest in other people having sex and punishing people for un-approved sex than anything else.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 12:13 AM
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14. I always call them
Pro-fetus.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:14 AM
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16. And their stance would include regulating men's activity as well.
Surely others have noticed that the anti-choice crowd frequently labels women who become pregnant but not the men who contributed to the pregnancy. I've yet to hear these same people castigate men for indiscriminately spreading their 'seed' and contributing to the existence of potential life. Why are those men not held accountable?

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Doondoo Donating Member (843 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:16 AM
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17. bump
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:45 AM
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18. The word is intentionally divisive. I'm sure they planned it that way.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 10:54 AM
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19. Observe republinazis who call themselves "pro-life".
They aren't pro-life, or else they'd be fighting for single-payer, universal healthcare to make sure all those babies they want to see born, survive past birth. :eyes:

Republinazis are pro-death.


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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:03 AM
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20. Anti-Choice is the correct terminology imo, but you miss something important here --
The thing is, their positions are just as seemingly contradictory as the positions of many leftists. For instance, I am pro-choice, anti-death penalty, anti-war - to a "pro-lifer" this seems contradictory, but to me it makes perfect sense.

You have to think within a person's frames to see how their positions fit together.
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Counciltucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 01:12 PM
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24. True.
I just wanted to expose the hypocrisy in the term "Pro-Life", as the generality of those who hold an anti-abortion position don't care about life in other aspects.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 02:43 PM
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25. Oh, don't doubt it, I absolutely agree with you --
I just also don't find it hard to understand how they can believe all of those things simultaneously...

I'm trying to remember what book explained this really well -- I think it was Lakoff's Don't Think of an Elephant but I gave it to someone to read and I can't double check.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 11:07 AM
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21. Pro-preggers seems more accurate.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 03:33 PM
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26. the abolitionists never had a problem calling themselves abolitionists
Not so's I've heard, anyhow. They didn't go inventing smarmy meaningless monikers like "pro-freedomers". They were out to abolish a legal option for how to run a business, and that's what their label said.

Anti-choicers are out to abolish a legal option for how to deal with a pregnancy. They want to eliminate women's choice in this matter just as the abolitionists wanted to eliminate slave-owners' choice in that matter. It's beyond me why they don't want to fly their colours loud and proud.

I think it's unnecessary, and unwise, to get into convoluted arguments about what "pro-life" really means. It doesn't really mean anything. How far do I go in sacrificing for the benefit of others? To the point of starving or freezing to death? Ultimately, being really "pro-life" would come down to being engaged, every minute of the day, in sacrificing one's own life for someone else's -- the bottom line when we start talking about sacrificing one's income for someone else's health care, for instance (I say, as an unswerving supporter of universal health care) -- and that isn't really pro-life, I'd have to say.

Just as it makes no sense to say one is pro-freedom; it leaves one having to support all sorts of things that can be subsumed under the rubric of "freedom". It makes no sense.

Is it "pro-life" to defend one's self with force? To defend a vulnerable individual or population? Is it "pro-freedom" to impose limits on parents' child-rearing choices that plainly harm their children? Ultimately, pro-freedom becomes anti-life, and vice-versa (even if we leave aside the little matter of it being human beings' lives we generally value, not "life"). And yet "life" (which really refers to rights) and "freedom" are our most fundamental values ...

All of our values come with built-in lines, the crossing of which negates the value itself or defeats and equally dearly held value. We aren't likely to agree on where the line is or should be drawn anytime soon, but trying to define a position in support of things like "life" and "freedom" just becomes a bit internally contradictory mess and will never achieve a return remotely proportionate to the effort.

I settle for calling the anti-choicers what they are, just as I would have called slave owners what they were. Misogynistic dishonest filth would be my preference, but anti-choice will do.

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-12-07 04:18 PM
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27. One of my favorite bumper stickers:
"Oh look honey...
...another pro-lifer for war."


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