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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:43 AM
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"How Hillary Won Over the Health-Care Industry"
there is something terribly wrong when a country has a health-care INDUSTRY.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20822145/site/newsweek/

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As of the first quarter of 2007 she was the recipient of more health-care-industry donations than any presidential candidate—Democrat or Republican—according to a recent study by the Institute for Health and Socio-Economic Policy. Even Charles Kahn, who, as executive vice president of the Health Insurance Association of America, orchestrated the Harry and Louise ad campaign, is hopeful that a President Hillary Clinton would tackle health-care reform again. “She knows a lot about health care, she’s interested, she can speak the language. It’s a natural constituency,” says Kahn, who is now president of the Federation of American Hospitals and says he met with her just a few months ago to talk about the issue.

How did the woman once demonized by the industry—whose plan was derided as “Hillary-care”—become so popular in these parts?

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“Since becoming a senator, she’s been focused on quality improvement, safety improvement, comparative effective analysis. We support all of that,” says Karen Ignagni, CEO of American Health Insurance Plans, the health-insurance industry trade group. This year AHIP, whose lobbyists are in constant contact with Clinton’s staff, put forward its own plan for universal coverage, which Ignagni says got a positive response from the senator’s office.


She’s made nice with the pharmaceutical industry, too. Big Pharma’s lobbyists are constantly engaged with her staff, as they are with other members of Congress. “Hillary recognizes the important role of employer-provided health insurance and the important role of private markets in insuring the people in the country,” says Billy Tauzin, the president of PhRMA (the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, a trade group for the industry), who voted against her first plan when he was a member of Congress. “I take comfort in that.”



Hillary Clinton's Mandatory Health Insurance Plan Is An Attack on the Middle Class, Group Says

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/383412/hillary_clintons_mandatory_health_insurance.html


The Foundation for Taxpayer & Consumer Rights FTCR announced that it is 100 percent opposed to Senator Hillary Clinton's mandatory health insurance purchase plan. Senator Clinton has received over $1 million in campaign contributions from insurers for her presidential campaign and it certainly seems that this proposed policy is their "return payment" on their investment especially when the plan is offered as a solution for health care reform by a woman who used to be a proponent of socialized medicine in America.

The plan's mandatory requirement -- that every American purchase private insurance -- assures that the health insurance companies will stay in business, but it does not define how the average American middle class family will be able to afford the coverage. Clinton's plan does not in any way shape or form suggest a cap for premiums or regulate them. When it is considered that insurance coverage for a family of four costs approximately $12,000 per year, Jamie Court, President of the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights, defined the measure as an "attack on the middle class family." Health care reform is a necessity; however, it cannot be achieved when only viewing part of the picture as proposed by Clinton's plan. It is clear that a hard look needs aimed at the health care insurance industry. If they can make Clinton do an about face in her policy--just imagine how much power health insurer campaign contributions wield.

Insurance Companies Reap the Benefits

The FTCR notes that a recent report from the Kaiser Family Foundation indicates that the average cost of insurance coverage for a family of four is $12,000 per year. That total does not include payment of any required deductibles that could be an out-of-pocket expense up to $5,000. Plus, more insurance companies are keeping more premium dollars for profit causing them to rise even more at a rate of 250% faster than inflation rates. It was further cited in Kaiser's report that while health insurance premiums have increased 78% since 2001, wages have only increased by 19% and inflation by 17%.

Even with this plan not being in effect, insurance companies are reporting profit increases for the second quarter 2007. Wellpoint (parent company of Blue Cross of California) reported a profit increase of 11% over 2006, UnitedHealth profits are up 22%, Aetna profits up 27%, and Health Net's were up 23.1%.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:46 AM
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1. From last summer "Harry and Louise backing Hillary"
Harry and Louise backing Hillary

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/healthcare_clinton/index.htm

Health-care sector, once a critic of then-first lady's plans for reforms, now lavishing contributions on senator.
July 12 2006: 10:41 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The health-care industry, once a fierce critic of then-first lady Hillary Clinton's reform plans for the sector, is now lavishing campaign contributions on the U.S. senator ahead of her expected presidential bid.

According to Center for Responsive Politics, a non-partisan group that tracks campaign finance filings, Clinton has received $781,112 in contributions from the health-care sector during the current election cycle, which makes her the No. 2 recipient of funds from that sector, behind only Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., who received $977,354. Hillary Clinton is the No. 2 recipient of campaign contributions from the health care industry, according to a non-partisan group that tracks donations.

Clinton, the only Democrat to be in the top five in total donations from the sector, is also the No. 1 senator in terms of donations from nurses and health professionals, and the No. 2 recipient of donations from employees of hospitals and nursing homes, as well as insurance companies.

The center's Web site shows that the sector is not the top contributor to Clinton. Donations from lawyers, retirees as well as Wall Street, real estate and the entertainment industries have all topped her contributions from health care. She is also the No. 1 recipient from each of those sectors.

Partly because of her expected presidential campaign, Clinton is the top recipient among members of Congress.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:15 AM
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22. She accepted their bribes...nt
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:48 AM
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2. If the Health Insurance Industry likes it, it can't possibly
be good for regular people. I am haunted by Michael Moore's Sicko. and I agree with him the Health Insurance Industry is the problem.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:48 AM
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3. They got it backward. It should be how the HC industry purchased Hillary.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:49 AM
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4. Be prepared to be called a "far leftist" for thinking this way by certain DUers
How "commie" of you to want a similar system to other developed nations. :sarcasm:

I'm starting to get pissed off by several recent additions to our board calling many of us "far leftists" for wanting some left of center changes.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:51 AM
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5. Looks like the 'health care industry' is betting on a horse in this race
And if their bet comes in they may be in the roses.
When you see that total sleaze Billy Tauzin praising her that pretty much tells you all you need to know.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:51 AM
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6. well that certainly connects some dots
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:51 AM
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7. she is all things to all people
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 08:52 AM by wildhorses
:eyes: she will not be good for ANY of the PEOPLE :scared:

:boring: WAKE UP PEOPLE! :wow:

:think: SMELL THE COFFEE :donut:

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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:54 AM
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9. Kinda reminds me of another candidate who passed himself off
as all things to all people, one of them being a "uniter."
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:02 AM
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15. this country is a broken record
stuck on becoming a monarchy. king george succeeded by queen hillary, with the king father bill at her side.

i keep telling myself it is still early....plenty of time for al. he has to win the nobel peace prize first. :yoiks:

:hide:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:02 AM
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especially
corporate people.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:51 AM
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8. She has a live webcast on health care tonight 8pm
People can sign up and submit questions

Read the plan and RSVP for the webcast:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/healthcare
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:55 AM
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10. we not only have a health care industry -- but we have it's counter part -- you are now
an American consumer -- not an American citizen.

that means you are not a constituent of an elected official -- someone to be represented -- you are someone to be treated as a consumer of corporate product.

both consumer and corporation have become the representation for what it is to be an american.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:58 AM
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11. So the HC lobbyists put forth a plan and it got a positive response from sHillary's office?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20822145/site/newsweek

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This year AHIP, whose lobbyists are in constant contact with Clinton’s staff, put forward its own plan for universal coverage, which Ignagni says got a positive response from the senator’s office.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:00 AM
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13. personally
I think they wrote "her" plan.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:02 AM
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16. Personally.....
I wouldn't be surprised.

Thanks for the info, leftchick.

(I am referring to her as sHillary -- as in corporate shill.)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:48 AM
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19. it fits!
I like it. ;)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:59 AM
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12. Isn't that backwards?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:01 AM
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14. pretty much
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:09 AM
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17. but, but, but... I thought she wasn't swayed by lobbyists....n/t
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:34 AM
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18. Now, now, lobbyists are people, too.
According to Hillary.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:54 AM
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20. Paul Krugman on Hillary's Big Bucks from the Industry aka: healthcare
I missed this column from a month ago.....

And even if you believe Mrs. Clinton’s contention that her positions could never be influenced by lobbyists’ money — a remark that drew boos and hisses from the Chicago crowd — there’s reason to worry about the big contributions she receives from the insurance and drug industries. Are they simply betting on the front-runner, or are they also backing the Democratic candidate least likely to hurt their profits?

http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/08/lines_of_causation.php
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:41 PM
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26. "Democratic candidate least likely to hurt their profits?"
It's kinda long for a middle name, but it fits.

Hillary Rodham Democratic candidate least likely to hurt their profits Clinton.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:10 AM
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21. K&R
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:41 PM
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23. Forced to Choose
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A mandated health insurance requirement plan would guarantee more profits for health insurance companies and give them even more control over every American's health care. It would not in any way contribute to health care reform. If put into effect, middle class families would be put into the position of making a choice whether to pay their mortgage or rent or to pay their health insurance coverage.

It is worth noting that in 2005, more than half of all the bankruptcies filed were due to medical bills. One million Americans file bankruptcy each year citing medical bills and three-quarters of them already have medical insurance coverage. Many of them are working, have college degrees and own their own homes. If forced to purchase the required health insurance coverage under Clinton's plan, even more Americans might have to file bankruptcy. Or, they could be faced with being labeled a tax evader because they are in violation of the mandated requirement.

Between the years of 2001 and 2005, according to Weiss Ratings, the health insurance industry reported profits of $38 billion--enough to provide insurance for an entire year for 12 million Americans.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/383412/hillary_clintons_mandatory_health_insurance.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:44 PM
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24. The problem is the health insurance industry,
Why any candidate or lawmaker would even consider them in the equation of fixing our health care system is a great diservice to the citizens of America. All they will fix is their profits at our expense again.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 03:02 PM
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25. 'Another Clinton Sell-Out'
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mary_pit_070918_another_clinton_sell.htm


So Hillary finally presented us with her "health plan." Whoopee! That will fix everything. Right?

Wait a minute, isn't that what Romney did in Massachusetts? Isn't that the same pattern set by George Bush's Medicare Part D? We must, by law, buy insurance from the already money-bloated insurance industry while still being obligated to pay deductables and co-payments that will further burst our shrinking budgets?

Does that make sense? Those who are suffering from lack of medical care because they cannot afford to pay for health care absolutely cannot afford to pay insurance premiums because, even after they do so, they will not be able to afford the additional costs that are built into the system.

As a personal testimony, I will say that, were it not for Medicare Part D, my medications would cost about $120 a month for three generic medications. As the result of choosing a plan that will not leave me hanging in the "donut hole," I pay in excess of $40 a month in premiums. My co-payments amount to $55 a month. I may go on a cruise to the Caribbean with all my savings! Or, better yet, and even more realistic, I could buy a new pair of shoes -- from Wal Mart, of course.

As all the mainstream-media-nominated candidates struggle to come up with some plan that will not interfere with the flow of corporate funds to their campaign coffers, those potential candidates with any real understanding of the plight of the medically underserved and who might be able to view the situation with some real perspective, are relegated to the back row and kept hidden from the public eye.
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