Dayum... Biden with the focus of a laser... did I just tune into an alternate universe ?

[MazeRat7]

WTF ? I flipped to Keith (before going out to trim my dogs butt hair) and I hear Biden all on fire and making sense... (slap.. slap)... yabayabayaba....

MZr7

[JeffR]

1. Biden's impressive when pissed off

Always has been. I just wish he'd get pissed off more often and at a few things he seems to have no issue with, sadly.

[Gabi Hayes]

3. yeah...he was really pissed at Clarence Thomas' perjury. so pissed that he cut a deal

with the pugs to cut off testimony SHOWING said perjury

it's HIS fault we have Thomas on the SCOTUS

[Gabi Hayes]

4. and if you contact his office, tell them their MBNAer boss can suck it

suck it hard

[MazeRat7]

8. Err.. Thomas was like 16yrs ago....'91 to be exact. Your point is ? -nt

[Gabi Hayes]

15. my point is....err....Clarence Thomas. you like him sitting there after 16 short years?

Biden's gift just keeps on giving

duhhhh

[never_get_over_it]

40. and since Thomas isn't 60 yet

he could serve who knows 36 years on the SC - LOVELY....

[Truth2Tell]

41. Biden is playing a bullshit game right now

and we are the suckers. Most of America turned against this criminal war long ago - so Biden is not exactly Mr. Politically Courageous to jump in with his self-indulgent rhetoric now - at long last. Buuuut... criticizing Bush isn't his intent, IMO.

Pay careful attention - in all of Biden's recent overheated public appearances, his Bush/war criticisms have only been talking point number one. Talking point number two has been "too bad we can't do anything about it, cuz we lack sixty seven votes." And this is the real message he's out to deliver. And it's a lie. See here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1798111

Biden is the excuse peddler. He's out there now trying to appease (read: deceive) the base - for himself and for the party leadership.

So it's nice to hear Biden finally using his big mouth to bash Bush crimes - it's just too bad he's only doing it to cover for his own sorry failure to actually do anything about them.

[JeffR]

6. "... at a few things he seems to have no issue with, sadly"

Clarence Thomas being a good example of his blind spots.

Biden shares blame for a lot of bad stuff, which is why I'm not a fan.

Sorry for the heinous sin of scratching up a little positive comment about someone I don't much like. I'll try not to let it happen again, at least if you're going to post in the same thread.

[MazeRat7]

10. Yup... and keep lookin' for those little positive comments...

I dont like the guy much either... but I'm all about giving credit when its deserved.

MZr7

[JeffR]

12. Agreed

but such things violate the tenets of Outrage Purity 'round here. I should have seen it coming, I guess.

[Gabi Hayes]

16. sorry for having an opinion that strays from the purity of this thread

should I delete my post so that all responses praise the wonderful Biden?

so sorry to p*** in your purity-praise-punchbowl

[MazeRat7]

18. Damn Gabi... bitter much ? ... thats not how I remember you....

Maybe you should take a break... I would hate to see you twist off and bolt... I kind of like your input... but this grudge is wasted energy.


MZr7

[JeffR]

21. I can't know for sure, but I think Gabi's feeling what we all do

Immense frustration, endless anger and righteous rage over what's happened to this country. I can understand those emotions all too well.

[PatSeg]

23. And we've shifted that frustration and anger from

Bush and the republicans to the Democratic candidates. If someone does not care for a particular candidate, they should support the one(s) they do. Build up your choice and vote for that person. That is more constructive than repeatedly criticizing another.

[JeffR]

31. It is more constructive, if less cathartic

I don't let the criticism of any candidate, including my preferred one, get to me. I'll still cast my primary vote for the person I think is best. That's not Joe Biden, but I'm not about to let that blind me to the fact that he's a smart guy and sometimes says things that impress me.

[PatSeg]

38. I agree with you

I've had six and half years of living in a "black and white" world and I hate to see that kind of thinking here.

[gateley]

36. Well put! nt

[JeffR]

19. Gabi

Tossing a few crumbs of praise at Biden costs me nothing and doesn't change the fact that I neither like nor trust the man. So don't twist what I said around to "the wonderful Biden". It's disingenuous.

I'll grant that you evidently dislike Biden even more than I do, and I respect that. But that doesn't make me some Biden apologist, and your initial response and subsequent response were totally tangential to anything I said. If you want to argue with me about something we really disagree on, perhaps we can find something - but don't put me in a position where I'm a straw Bidenista, because that's bogus.

[Horse with no Name]

9. He is always pissed off

but then votes down Republican Party lines.

[JeffR]

11. Good point

You've pretty much summed him up.

[Inuca]

28. No. Stupid and FALSE point n/t

[JeffR]

32. Perhaps it was overstated or too generalized

but I don't entirely disagree with it by a long shot. Biden, like many of our candidates, has let down the team more than once. That doesn't make him the devil, but it is disappointing.

[democrat2thecore]

13. Oh....he does? Check your facts.

Joe Biden votes with the Republicans down the line? How does he get such low scores from conservative groups and almost perfect scores from liberal groups? That doesn't happen when you vote "down the line" with the Republicans.

edit to include this from the latest year of National Journal's composite scores:
Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Biden voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0150103&type=category&category=National%20Journal

[PatSeg]

27. Please, don't confuse us with FACTS!!!

The past evidently only counts when it is negative.

[Inuca]

26. Why do people make such inane statements with...

... no basis in fact whatsoever? You may say you do not like Biden, you do not even have to give an arugument as to why, I am fine with that. But to state what you did about his voting record is simply a lie. Whether you wanted to lie or are simply uninformed, I have no idea, and it does not really matter, both alternatives are equally bad.

[tridim]

2. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he backs up his words with action..

He certainly seems pissed off, just like the rest of us. Please DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT Biden!

[madokie]

5. he made his points real well too, complete with a slow shaking of his head side to side

that to me conveyed the message he wanted to get out real clear. Any one of our Democratic Candidates would make a good President if you ask me

[bdamomma]

7. yea, Biden was pissed. I think he would have liked to say some

choice words too, if he could.

[PatSeg]

24. Light years ahead of the republican lineup!

Rudy, McCain, Romney???

[democrat2thecore]

14. Biden has been a great candidate

He would kick some serious butt in a general election. And don't talk about the polls. The polls focus on the frontrunners - if Biden were the nominee he would get a lot of attention and the country would see he is presidential timber.

[PatSeg]

25. He certainly is electable

and pity the poor republican who had to face him in a debate. Hillary would be good in a debate as well, but I don't think she is as electable.

[Gabi Hayes]

17. Run, Joe, Run! you're the bestest, smartest, smilingest candidate in all the world!

I love you

I love MBNA, too!

so does Hillary

[spanone]

20. biden's been impressive lately....

[PatSeg]

22. Yes he has

Of course, you have to wonder if he is being "impressive lately" or if the media has been "covering him lately". They tend to focus on the top three as if no one else is running.

[saltpoint]

29. Biden has a strong fastball, a sharp curve, and multiple years' support of

his constituents.

He was great on tv today. "Laser" is exactly right.

I'm keeping a very close eye on Iowa. I think Biden will contend for first in Iowa. Edwards is awfully well organized there, and HClinton and Obama are strong as well. Richardson's making a go of it.

But I think Biden emerges in the wake of Petraeus' failure. If there was to be a significant shift in favor of the war, David Petraeus would be the star of this week.

He isn't.

[Blue_In_AK]

30. I think Joe has been great lately.

He really knows his stuff when it comes to foreign policy.

[saltpoint]

33. Agree with your post, Blue-In-AK but am responding to it only to have

an excuse to say hi and happy September.

[Blue_In_AK]

37. Oh, thanks, OC.

:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

34. I like Joe, but tonight he overemoted a little--seemed like stagecraft to me.

Kinda like he got a lot of praise and attention for doing it before (genuinely), and now he is going to do it all the time. Overacting, that is. But, it must work, because I'm probably the only one who thinks that--oh well, to each her own candidate.

[MazeRat7]

35. As the "OP" of this thread.. I forgot to mention the following (re: Biden) and my post...

I don't actually like the guy much. As a matter of fact, I was at a rally for "my guy" when he was in town earlier today and no it was not Biden. But that is beside the point. I think what got me most about this KO segment was hearing a quintessential beltway veteran speak in such candid terms. This speak by someone so generally "cautious" is the harbinger of change - albeit a much needed and long over due change. I can only hope this kind of speak finds it way into the collective lexicon of the sheeple.

MZr7

[Inuca]

42. Biden is seldom cautious

sometimes to his own detriment.

[tyedyeto]

39. I had and on again, off again 'respect' for Biden until........

the Condisleeza Sec. of State committee hearings when I lost all respect for him.

During those hearings, I heard him say (paraphrasing) "I don't think you (Sleeza) have been forthright with us (in other words she lied), but I'm going to vote to send this to a full Senate vote anyway."

If he thought she was a liar (which I believe she is), why in the hell did he vote to send her confirmation to the Senate for a full vote?

Now, I cannot, in full conscience, believe anything he says.