Has Tweety Seen The Light?

[Me.]

He's been on fire since he got back from vacation. Maybe firing that producer was a good idea. The guests have been better and as well as the conversation. Last night he had 2 dems on at the same time, with no Con to refute them. His segment tonight with Biden was amazing. He's calling the whole Petreus hearing for the sham it is.

It can't have escaped his, and his bosses attention, how KO's ratings are blasting through the Faux News citadel. Maybe Tweety has been told to follow KO's lead. Great for us.

[Cha]

1. Time will tell but the

things you just mentioned sound huge. Just reporting the facts..what a concept!

[Rockholm]

3. Amazing what a little truthiness will do.

If the rest of the MSM would tell the TRUTH....the troops would be home in a matter of months....and * would be impeached.

[rocktivity]

2. DING DING DING! Me, you're our grand prize winner!

...Maybe Tweety has been told to follow KO's lead...

Or maybe he doesn't want to follow Joe Scarborough's lead--right out of an evening time slot!

:rofl:
rocknation

[Me.]

42. I Think Changing Producers Was Also A Factor

A new producer can change the tone of the show

[PatSeg]

44. Ever since Keith's rating started to soar

Matthews has moved more and more to the left.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Arlen, Hagel, Tweety.... Are there ANY tough-talking liar DUers WON'T fall for?

EDIT: Typo.

[TwilightGardener]

8. Arlen's a liar. Tweety is sometimes a liar, or at least wrong. Hagel is not a liar.

[MADem]

13. The first two are registered GOP. Tweety has a resume that includes THREE prominent D bosses.

Tip O'Neill, Ed Muskie, and Jimmy Carter.

He may not be sufficiently liberal for some DUers, but he's not Arlen or Hagel.

[BlooInBloo]

15. Doesn't stop DUers from repeatedly falling for the tough-talk facade.

[MADem]

17. He isn't an advocate for DU. He works for a subsidiary of GE, a top ten Pentagon contractor.

All things considered, he's doing the best he can.

Look at what happened to Imus. Had he been pro-war (instead of against it and calling Bush an idiot) and insulted that basketball team, he'd still be on the air today.

GE realizes, too, that the mood of the country is changing. They need to find another war, a new opportunity to make money off of governments. In the meantime, they need you to watch, so the next time they have to sell you a line of shit, you'll be 'loyal' to their stations.

[H2O Man]

19. Three of my

favorite democrats, at that.

Mr. Matthews is found on the first page of Joseph Wilson's book, as he immediately called Wilson to warn him that Rove had called and said Valerie Plame was "fair game." The Libby trial documented that the OVP was obsessed with Mr. Matthews' reporting on the war and the Plame scandal. The Corn & Isikoff book (Hubris) documents how the neoconservatives attempted to threaten Mr. Matthews on the job.

Mr. Matthews has been against the war in Iraq from the beginning. He has, unfortunely, made statements of support for the president that offend many DUers. I am convinced that this is because of two things: first, he has an old-fashioned respect for the office of the president, and believes that the country is harmed by presidential scandals; and second, he is employed in a position that does not always allow him to speak openly -- the Plame scandal being but one example.

[MADem]

25. How DARE you inject reason and facts into the discussion!!!!

You'll ruin the 'fun' of piling on and broad-brushing!!!!!!

:thumbsup:

:hi:

[H2O Man]

27. Right.

It can't be that Mr. Matthews has a variety of opinions, some that tend to be similar to many DUers, and others that are very different. It must be that he has been instructed to follow KO's lead on 2.5 nights per week! There is no other possibility!

[MADem]

29. Heh, heh!!! NT

[KoKo]

79. What about his fawning over the 'manly aspects" of Republican Candidates

time after time and leering as he did it? So many things make me think he's just a con artist working for his owner.

But...hey...from time to time i've posted on DU some good stuff he's done after swearing i'd never watch him or post about him again. But, he makes me crazy with his "twist to which way wind is blowing" stuff so I can't be as charitable as some here about it just being his producer. Thompson's "musk and English Leather (or was it Aqua Velva) odors and Bush's Cod Piece, belt buckle and all the rest about Guiliani might make some DU'ers sort of worry about his sanity...which we did...and his pandering to Repugs while vilely trashing Dems like Gore and others.

But, if it was his producer...then i hope the ratings of Keith can get Tweety working harder for his money if he thinks being a little more kindly to his middle and left folks will fill his pocket.

We need all the help we can get...so we can't be greedy and expect too much, I guess.

[H2O Man]

83. Interesting.

In my opinion, the business about his opinions about politicians merely reflects the level of discomfort that our culture -- even the somewhat enlightened left -- has with certain topics. If we were to watch an NFL football game, the announcers would all make comments about male players that would make the Matthews bashers blush. Who owns the problem?

I think that a large amount of the dislike of Matthews is a result of his taking what I think is the wrong position on serious issues. But there are also efforts by the same group of people he has been right about -- the neoconservatives and Cheneyites -- to discredit him, and reduce the impact of his show. The friends of Libby, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Feith have not stopped at calling Russert. They attempt to inject their insults like novocaine -- even on progressive forums -- in order to numb people to the important work that is a part of Hardball.

Is Matthews' making a compliment about Mitt Romney more important than his helping to expose the role of Cheney, Rove and Libby in the Plame scandal? Perhaps to some. But certainly not to me.

[Me.]

91. As For Matthews & Romney

My take is he doesn't care for the guy any more than he does HC. He seems very disdainful of anything the oven mitt does.

[jaysunb]

58. LOL !

:rofl:

[Usrename]

46. I think he just fell in love with Dubya's codpiece.

The whole Mathew's reaction to the mission accomplished speech on the Lincoln.

When he made his call for the whole anti-war crowd to apologize and admit they were wrong, and that Bush had won the conflict handily, when is he ever going to come to terms with that whole performance?

It was a pretty disgusting display, he was just gushing over how masculine Bush looked in that jumpsuit. :puke:

[Me.]

56. Matthews Calling Wilson To Warn Him

Was a big deal and one for which he put his neck on the line, and we later learned how those cretins in the OVP called Russert to complain about Matthews and his show.

[H2O Man]

60. The complaints about

Mr. Matthews' reporting went higher than Tim Russert.

[Me.]

69. There You Go

rock and a hard spot

[trumad]

85. You mean like "I like the Rpresident's wee wee in that flight suit".

Trust me---if Bush was 60 percent favorable in the polls, he'd still be kissing his ass.

[H2O Man]

87. It has nothing

to do with trusting you -- most polls indicate 12 out of every 10 Americans do trust you.

However, Mr. Matthews is consistent in: {a} his opposition to the war in Iraq; and {b} his liking President Bush. The changes in the polls have not shown any influence on either of those two things. And you don't have to trust me on that: check for yourself.

[trumad]

88. snarf-- how are you waterman?

[H2O Man]

89. Old and cranky.

I will be subjected to the dentist's chair in a matter of hours.

Ouch! Ouch! (just practicing)

[frazzled]

5. He was aggressively opposed to invading Iraq from the beginning

And since the discussion yesterday and today was about ... Iraq ... he's simply consolidating his views there. He hated the neo-cons, and this is his moment to stick it to them and their ideas.

But don't worry: he'll be gushing over GIuliani or Fred Thompson as soon as this is over. So don't think there is some kind of political change going on here. When it comes to Iraq, you can count on Matthews to put on a spirited debate against the administration's policy. Everything else is still squarely Republican Party.

[LittleClarkie]

6. No, Sybil is just stuck on one of her better personalities

wait around, she'll change back at some point.

[ShortnFiery]

7. No, in true Tweety spaz-action form he will revert to his "man crush" on

whomever politically swaggers more next week. :shrug:

[TwilightGardener]

9. Tweety's against the war lately. I applaud him using his forum

to bash the war policy. He's better than Tucker, at least, who also hates the war but still likes to use it to discredit and smear Democrats.

[MADem]

14. That isn't new. He's been against it for a while.

After all, he eschewed Vietnam for the Peace Corps.

[Kahuna]

45. He was always against the invasion. But he only changed his

adoration for bush after Katrina.

[TwilightGardener]

55. I stand corrected!

[jaysunb]

10. I noticed last nights show too.

I was busy and didn't post at the time, but I was likewise impressed...especially w/ there being no con enabler refuting or simply lying.

Don't know if the show w/ Delay had anything to do with it either. He seemed to take great umbrage w/ Delay lumping him with the left. hmmmm

[LSparkle]

11. He seemed especially impressed with Markos

Here's hoping Tweety has him on more regularly.

Edit: typo

[rocktivity]

20. I knew Kos had been on Hardball last night

and was looking forward to watching him make mincemeat of whatever freeper scum Tweety had dredged up. When it turned out to be Eli Parsier, I had to stop and think, "No, that can't be right...Isn't he the MoveOn guy? Isn't he on OUR side?"

:D
rocknation

[Lucinda]

12. No. He's seen the ratings...Olbermanns.

Although one can hold out hope that he's had an epiphany of sorts.

[Skidmore]

18. Beat me to it. LOL!

He's taken note of KO's ratings and noted that he is no longer the "star" of the network and how irrelevant he's become.

[rocktivity]

21. Tweety also saw Joe Scarborogh's ratings--AND his new 6AM time slot!

:rofl:
rocknation

[Nimrod2005]

16. 2 letters: K & O

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. I noticed the 2 Dems on last night too! It took me a long time to pick my jaw up off the floor!

I hope he's come around to the good side, but you never know with Tweety. It depends on the day with him.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

23. Don't bet on it

I've seen things like this posted here far too many times before to think he'll really change. He just appears to like to mix it up once in a while.

[malaise]

24. Maybe Tweety has been told to follow KO's lead.

Bingo. Follow the majority opinion.

[CatWoman]

26. he's seen something

maybe the sock falling out of Bush's crotch? :rofl:

[H2O Man]

28. Okay, you:

[CatWoman]

36. Big Al!!!!

Al would have reduced Petraeus to tears :)

:hi:

[zippy890]

30. HA! the codpiece has crumbled

and the sock falls out. Tweety mancrush on bush is over
:rofl:

[JohnyCanuck]

31. Is Tweety Clueless too?

Check out this thread at Crooks and Liars. They link to a clip of Tweety and guests discussing the Shrubmeister's sense of humor and how the Shrub, as a joke, pretends to be the Austin Powers character Dr. Evil from time to time. Tweety wonders out loud why Shrub is attracted to the character of a "clueless megalomaniac."

Sometimes the jokes just right themselves....

One of the folksy, “gosh durnit, that president sure is a funny feller” anecdotes in Robert Draper’s new book about George W. Bush, Dead Certain, is that Dubya is a big fan of Austin Powers and in particular, the character of Dr. Evil, imitating him often along the corridors of the White House.

My favorite part? Chris Matthews asking “Why a clueless megalomaniac?”

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/10/sometimes-the-jokes-just-write-themselves/#comments

You can view the clip in question at the above link.

[in_cog_ni_to]

32. Biden's almost in TEARS talking about the troops in Iraq! He's fighting back the tears.

:cry:

[PCIntern]

33. Tweety's sighing in the background...

Very dramatic...

Question Mr. Tweety: DIDN'T YOU FUCKING KNOW THIS, YOU MORAN? DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT THIS CROWD WAS DYING FOR NOTHING?

SCREW YOU.

[spanone]

34. Wow, just watched him and biden....powerful shit....

webb coming up next!!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. HOLY CRAP! Biden was just on and next up is Jim Webb!!! 2 days in a row..2 Dems! Tweety is PISSED

about the hearings. He KNOWS Petraeus was speaking for the WH.

[CatWoman]

37. I keep pinching myself

:)

[John Q. Citizen]

38. When I read your subject line I thought, "No he's seen KO's ratings." But

I see you covered that in your message body.

[Neecy]

39. it's about friggin' time!

I'm not a big fan of Biden, but it's about GODDAMN TIME we see a Democrat show some fight and emotion and sorrow over this bloodbath! Time for your colleagues, Joe, to do the same!

[City Lights]

40. I'd like to think so, but he's duped me so many times before that I'll

have to take a wait-and-see approach.

It's great to see him on fire though...let's hope it lasts.

[PatSeg]

47. I Tivo Hardball

and I just fastforward through the crap. It is worth it to get to the good stuff.

[napi21]

41. I've spent the last 10 minutes screaming Holy Sh*t at my TV!

WOW, he's ripping Petreus apart harder than MoveOn did!

[bleever]

43. That was an amazing ten minutes.

They were both biting back tears.

[PatSeg]

48. It's playing again in the background

and I'm tearing up again. This time I noticed that Matthews jumped in and saved Biden when it looked like he was going to break. Gave him a few minutes to recoup.

[CatWoman]

50. `man oh man

Tweets just lost it.

He damn near cursed out the guy from Christian radio. :wow:

[H2O Man]

51. The guy was

not happy with what Mr. Matthews said to him.

[CatWoman]

53. Tweets was on the verge of belligerence

but he was right, of course :)

[H2O Man]

59. The guy wanted

to spin this into what the headlines will be, and Mr. Matthews recognizes that what the General said is going to be damaging for the soldiers in Iraq, who are being asked to kill and die for a cause that simply isn't making this country safer.

[CatWoman]

62. And Tweets said whoever runs a headline tomorrow crowing about

the first round of troops coming home is DUMB!!

[H2O Man]

64. It's kind of nice

to see him this intensely involved in the effort to tell the public the truth about the war. Matthews is a smart man, and has a background that pre-dates his days in Washington that provide him with a point of view that doesn't always play well with DUers. He does know that the Cheneyites have lied us into a war that, as bad as it is, could become far worse in the next year. He has, for example, made repeated reference to the neoconservative/OVP efforts to engage in hostilities against Iran. Those are important issues that he is attempting to address.

[PatSeg]

65. When it comes to presidential candidates,

Matthews instincts suck, but with this, he's nailed it.

[H2O Man]

68. There are

a number of issues that I disagree strongly with him on. But there are three important ones I agree with him on: the war in Iraq is wrong; the Plame scandal was a Cheney-run operation; and the same people who lied us into the war in Iraq, and who exposed Plame, are attempting to cause hostilities with Iran.

[PatSeg]

70. You're right

Also during the 04 campaign he was unrelenting towards the swiftboaters and Michelle Malkin!

[DemReadingDU]

49. MSNBC video link

Sen. Joe Biden on Petraeus testimony
Sept. 11: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., chaired Tuesday’s hearing and asked General Petraeus about the wisdom of keeping U.S. troops in Iraq into next year if the circumstances on the ground don't change. He speaks with “Hardball’s” Chris Matthews. about 10 minutes

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=96a557b0-0add-4cd0-a538-d01bafc7308e&f=00&fg=email

[Marr]

74. There goes Biden with his, "oh we need 67 votes to override a veto".

You don't need 67 votes to defund Bush's occupation. But he's already pledged to vote for more Iraq occupation money.

[spanone]

52. this whole show has been inspiring...matthews is indignant

let's hope the general's response is the headline tomorrow

[spanone]

54. now he's exposing the prostitute & vitter

[CatWoman]

57. isn't this great?

:hi:

[spanone]

61. i'm giddy

:crazy:

then right into KO

[rndmprsn]

63. i think he has KO ratings envy...

[autorank]

66. Any friend in a fox hole is a good friend. I just saw him and could actually watch for more than 2

minutes. You're an astute observer and a :patriot:

[Me.]

67. Exactly

'any friend in a foxhole is a good friend' :thumbsup:

[Marr]

71. Lucy called. She said the football's ready whenever you want to kick it.

[Me.]

73. Fingers Crossed

That Lucy has a new playbook

[Stinky The Clown]

72. Tweety is not to be trusted

He has some measure of responsibility for the war he now opposes. He gave free and gushing praise to the butch administration types who were hyping the war. He clearly wanted to felate bush when he had on his flight suit and cod piece.

Tweety ain't shit. Just another sad little mary with a small dick complex.

[The Backlash Cometh]

75. Isn't it pathetic that everything boils down to money and ratings.

Watch that son of a bitch. He may be our guy now, but he'll find a way to steer us into a box canyon when we least expect it.

[GeorgeGist]

76. Only the one ...

on the active camera.

[superkia]

77. If all the networks follow suit before the election, we may get a real president!

[Poiuyt]

78. Did you hear Tweety refer to Amb Crocker as a "cookie pusher" tonight?

He said that Petraeus was thinking that this was going to be a 10 year war, he and "that cookie pusher he brought with him."

[H2O Man]

80. That was interesting. n/t

[DRoseDARs]

81. Right, and how many times has he had these moments of clarity? Quite a few, then it's back to...

...battered wife syndrome with a touch of Patty Hurst and a smidgen of man-crush.

[trumad]

86. ROTF

Most excellent post.

[B Calm]

82. I don't trust anybody who promoted this illegal invasion!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. Tweety Has Always Opposed This War

Tweety has always worshiped men who met his definition of masculinity...

That's just Tweety being Tweety...

[UTUSN]

90. This ("always opposed this war") & other CANARDS about Tweety

like, the other one, "Tweety has draft age sons so he opposed the war." WHAT A CROCK!!1 In the run-up to the invasion he was at the forefront of the drumbeaters. Here's why saving old posts is useful:


How Tweety "Executed" DONAHUE on MSNBC. Tweety was on his book tour for another one of his "books" (large type, wide spaces between lines, blank half-pages). It was in the jingoistic hysteria in the run-up to the illegal Iraq attack. The book was about supposed "Americanism" --an American Civ 101 ripoff about books and movies and cultural stuff that are essentially American (think, "The Great Gatsby"). So Phil welcomed him as a colleague and peer on Phil's show for the full hour to plug the book. From the moment he appeared, there was a strange, deadly snake look in Tweety's snake eyes. Phil was walking around, apparently not sensing anything, while Tweety was motionless, following him only with his eyes. Phil brought up something or other questioning blind jingoism, and Tweety STRUCK! He started out with venom dripping, "You see THIS is EXACTLY what's wrong with you Liberals: You are NEGATIVE about this country, you find NOTHING good about it," and on and on. It took awhile before Phil figured out what was happening. Later, Phil was sitting at the table with Tweety and, weaker and weaker, did some of his trademark shoulder shrugging and arm waving. Tweety delivered the coup de grace, "What's THIS (mimicking the movements)??!! What's with the --APE-- movements???" Days or a week or two later, Phil's cancellation was announced and took effect.

[4_TN_TITANS]

92. He hasn't seen the light...

He's just looked up and seen KO's ass in his face. There will be more trying to jump on the pendulum as it starts to go up to the left.

[eleny]

93. I don't have faith in him - But air time is key to getting our message out

He has a choice to make. He can be an "agent of change" by helping us get out of Iraq, and raise his ratings & revenues at the same time. Or he can be FoxNews Lite and watch his ratings drop like a stone.