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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 03:20 PM
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Wesley Clark: The military in Iraq are resolving nothing
Wesley Clark: The military in Iraq are resolving nothing

There are more important issues than troop numbers and withdrawal dates. The US should take a lead in talking to Iran – now
Published: 09 September 2007

When well-qualified retired officers speak out against their political masters' policies, the public should take heed. General Sir Mike Jackson, the recently retired UK Army chief, is now speaking out, and his concerns warrant full consideration. I've known Mike well over the years – and while we haven't agreed on everything, he is on solid ground in his criticisms of US and Coalition policy in Iraq, at least as they are reflected in what I have seen of his book, Soldier: The Autobiography.

As US Secretary of Defense, Don Rumsfeld exerted a heavy hand on American foreign policy. I had first got to know him working around the White House in the Ford administration. He was the brilliant 42-year-old who would certainly be president some day: tough-minded then, even tougher 28 years later. Strike quickly, and then leave. Invading Iraq would serve two agendas: first, to finish off Saddam, the bête noir of the Republican right; second, to cement his military "transformation" plan. But, ultimately, this is George Bush's war.

Mind you, Mike Jackson isn't the first retired general to criticise Bush, Rumsfeld and their policies. I began, in early 2002, questioning the necessity for war, and the haste with which the Bush administration was pushing the US into the invasion of Iraq. By early autumn of 2002, I was warning against giving the President a blank cheque to take the US to war before all other alternatives were exhausted. Secretary Rumsfeld's aversion to "nation-building", Nato activities in the Balkans, and peacekeeping in general, were well known. He and his team were preventing adequate post-invasion planning. I urged in testimony to the US Senate that full postwar planning be developed before the invasion – just as Mike and I had done as part of Nato before the 1999 operation against Serbia. And I warned that US actions in the region would serve to supercharge al-Qa'ida recruiting. The retired US marine, General Joe Hoare, supported me then, and warned of civil war in Iraq following the invasion.

The poor results of the operation have largely substantiated the warnings from myself and others, despite the valiant efforts of our soldiers and military leaders. To be sure, the US and British forces have had longstanding differences in how to conduct peace operations, with the Americans more concerned with force protection and coercion, and the British – reflecting the experiences in Northern Ireland, as well as British defence parsimony – always willing to take slightly greater risks, to lower the emphasis on force protection, and to work the populace with persuasion and charm. But these differences have been marginal in affecting the outcomes in Iraq.

In Iraq today, civil war is under way. The cities and countryside are being carved up into sectarian, tribal, or militia-dominated fiefdoms, aided and abetted by Iranian support, while in the south, British forces have tried to maintain the veneer of control while training local authorities. Iran obviously has mounted an intense effort spanning the political, economic, and military areas, to gain influence and prepare for dominance following the US and UK departures. In the central and northern regions, the US has expended much of four years finishing Iran's agenda by fighting against Sunni insurgents, including al-Qa'ida in Iraq, and has only lately begun to focus episodically on the Shiite militia supported by Iran.

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http://comment.independent.co.uk/commentators/article2944342.ece
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:04 PM
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1. Kick
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:05 PM
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2. K&R because DUers aren't afraid of some serious reading
At least I hope not.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:23 PM
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4. I almost forgot to mention
But it looks like over 4,000 StopIranWar.com petition signatures have been added to the total posted in the last 24 hours. I don't know where they are coming from all of a sudden but thank god they are coming. This is where we need a real surge to be effective.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:05 PM
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3. Gore/Clark 08

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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:03 PM
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8. I'll take Clark on board
wherever we can get him. I'd love to see him on the ticket, but if not, high up in the cabinet where he can have major influence. We NEED him, America.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:39 PM
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5. How sweet the sound
It is always good to hear from General Clark. He clears away the fog to reveal the scene as it actually is.

How in the hell did our side, the Democratic side, ended up talking about whether or not the surge is working when the whole damn war built on a lie to advance a failed policy is failing. Absolutely. No Doubt.

We must stop playing on bush's turf and stand on our ground.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:47 PM
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6. K&R
:kick:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 04:54 PM
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7. The Busholini Regime will smash all Oppostion.
The PR Machine aided by the US Corp Media will drown out any rational discourse about Iraq. The US Occupation will continue for decades.

The Dems have found a way now to keep the US Occupation in place.
That is what they wanted all along. They voiced the opposite just to garner votes for '06. Dems will still pretend to be in favor of US Draw Down from Iraq to garner a majority in the Senate & the Pres. for '09 all the while keeping the US Occupation active. There is no way that Repugs or Dems are going to allow Iraq's oil to be controlled by "Terrorists" or anyone else. The US Govt. will control that oil flow & the US Occupation shall continue for decades in one form or another. Americans are being gamed by both Repugs & Dems.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 05:20 PM
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9. Wes Clark had this to say two months after 9/11
"I’ve heard a lot of people say they want to drain the swamp, and by that they usually mean where we’re going after Afghanistan. Is it Somalia, is it Iraq, is it Libya, is it Syria, is it Iran? How many? How soon? How often? But I think it’s more than that because that swamp is out there as a result of -- partly as a result of us. We're five percent of the world’s population. We’re taking 25 percent of the consumable resources. And that’s an unsustainable condition in the long term.

And so, part of winning modern war is winning the information campaign, and a big part of that is what we’re trying to do now, which is project a different image of America. But you can’t project an image that doesn’t reflect reality. And so, it means we’re going to have to tend to the reality that’s out there.

Even beyond the Islamic world the conditions of poverty, disease, despair and hopelessness in Africa and elsewhere will affect us. We can’t have the benefits of globalism without helping build the safety net that lets us have those benefits."


Institute for Foreign Policy Analysis. Nov. 14 2001

YouTube Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flg7FMb7NJo

Think back, most Americans by and large were out for blood two months after the Twin Towers came down, but Clark was commenting on our own responsibility for the mess the world found itself in. And I think he got his answer; next up is Iran.

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 07:16 AM
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10. Kick. n/t
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