Ice Caps are melting because it's been cold for 2 weeks. Not!

[Cetacea]

I still wish they had released that report in the spring, simply because many hard working people do not have the time to do the research.

edited for clarity

[DainBramaged]

1. HUH?

[Cetacea]

2. RE: deep freeze negates "Global Warming" threads

February is traditionally the coldest month on average through the US. The six year in the making report on Climate Change was released in the dead of winter. To those that are unfamiliar with the mechanics of Climate Change and who are freezing at the moment, the report is doubtful. There have many posts and a few threads here over the last week where posters have expressed doubt about Global Warming because they are going through an extreme cold snap.

[DainBramaged]

4. Anyone who expresses doubt about Global warming should

watch a polar bear drown from lack of ice flows.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article767459.ece

And anyone here who expresses doubt is suspect in my book.

[Cetacea]

5. yup.

;)

[joeunderdog]

11. Cigarettes don't cause cancer. JFK had one killer. The world is flat.

Nobody doubted Ted Williams was the greatest hitter ever if he went through a slump.

It's primitive, uneducated thinking that makes conclusions out of these kinds of changes in the weather pattern. It is a predicted result of the rise in CO2. Read about it, and you'll stop being fooled.

[Cetacea]

12. Apologies for not adding the "sarcasm" gif to my op

It's become apparent that I in my op I failed to convey that I am repulsed at the "Global Warming doesn't exist" because it's cold out posts/threads.

[Solon]

6. We had an extremely cold winter this year...

Mostly of Ice rather than Snow as well, maybe a few days of snow, and then an Ice storm that knocked out power here for a little over 3 days, in entire zip codes. Combine that with this summer's power outage, due to a huge HEAT wave, of all things, which lasted over a WEEK in my area, and I see global Climate Change as a serious threat. The climate around here is unstable, during the ice storm, temps dropped like 30 degrees in an hour, changing rain to ice, and damned near destroying most trees around here. Hell, the tree in our back yard still has a huge branch that fell almost a month ago, and is still sitting there, till we can get a truck and a chainsaw, its too big to move without some sort of moving machine, backhoe or something.

[TahitiNut]

17. Don't worry. Those folks come from the same gene pool ...

... who couldn't understand how those "crazy scientists" said that the earth was round. Hell, all they needed to do was look around them and see how flat it was!! It's OBVIOUS that it's flat!

:silly: :dunce:

[theboss]

3. Maybe you want to a "not" somewhere in that title

Otherwise...makes no sense

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Hard working people understand global warming.

Only the intellectually lazy make such a phony connection.

[Cetacea]

10. most people don't have the luxury of time

to do the research that the media is payed to do and report to us. This should have been front page news for the past twenty years.
Also, the last time I checked, 90 percent of Americans were willing to have their taxes increased if the money went to saving the environment.
Yet, every time I have watched TV panels and presidential debates, the MSM people always ask/tell the candidates "what would you do about the three things Americans are most concerned about? The economy, jobs, and education". The media has been complicit for many, many years.

[Gabi Hayes]

8. just remember....when the ice age hits, possibly very soon, that

it's because of the cold water from the Arctic ice melt.

as it hits the Gulf Stream, it stays on top, uncirculated, above the heavier salt water, which will eventually stop the Gulf Stream from warming the East Coast US/West Coast Europe

the feedback loop developing from this meltoff, followed by that of permafrost, which causes even worse greenhouse gas release (methane), which causes faster icemelt, etc. (watch for that Ice shelf in Antarctica, which will cause the release of even more methane trapped beneath the ocean down there).

it could be very dramatic....way worse than we think

taking of TF hat now, but just wait and see what happens

[Cetacea]

9. no need to apologize . re: tinfoil hat

Your analysis is spot on, and many share the scenario you've outlined.

[Gabi Hayes]

14. Book One

Book Two



http://www.inchoatus.com/Reviews/Review--Fifty%20Degrees%20Below,%20Kim%20Stanley%20Robinson.htm

[jelly]

16. Who says you can't judge a book by its cover?

Those books look GREAT. I'm going to look for them.

[Shoelace]

15. yes, the Gulf Stream has already slowed by 30% since '57

Spot on and here's an article from 2005 that tells the tale.

(excerpts)
Study: Current that warms Europe weakening
Change could cause dramatic temperature drop
By David Williams
CNN



Thursday, December 1, 2005; Posted: 10:08 a.m. EST (15:08 GMT)
(CNN) -- The Atlantic Ocean's flow between the tropics and cold, northern waters appears to be weakening, which could drastically alter the weather in Europe, a newly released study shows.



The findings, published in the journal Nature, found that the Atlantic Conveyor flow slowed by about 30 percent between 1957 and 2004.

The cycle of flow, technically known as the "Atlantic meridional overturning current," plays a key role in warming northern Europe.

This conveyor belt process "brings heat northward, gives it up to the atmosphere, and we benefit in England from having the winds pick up this heat and blow ... relatively warmer air over us," said oceanographer Harry Bryden, one of the study's authors. "So that's what gives us a good climate even in wintertime in England."

Bryden said that climate models suggest that if the Atlantic Conveyor shut down, temperatures in northwest Europe could drop by 4 to 6 degrees Celsius, or about 10 degrees Fahrenheit, in 20 years.

Scientists have predicted that global warming could disrupt the current. Melting ice caps would add freshwater to the ocean, which would reduce seawater salinity, which in turn reduces seawater density. Less dense water would reduce the flow.

If the Atlantic conveyor belt were to break down, many scientists say it could trigger an ice age in which northern Europe comes to resemble Siberia. The data in this study suggest the conveyor belt is not breaking, but it is slowing down.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/11/30/climate.study/?eref=yahoo

[City Lights]

13. I'm so sick of seeing LTTEs about the "cure" for global warming

being winter. :eyes: Idiots!

I agree, though, that many people with good intentions simply do not have the time to research the topic themselves, and many kooks will dismiss the results because we're having a "normal" winter this year. :argh: