DAMMIT! NARAL CALLED ME ...Asking for MONEY! I told them FUCK OFF!

[KoKo]

I said...WHERE WERE YOU when Dems put Alito and Roberts in Power...I will not give you a PENNY!

I said your LEADERSHIP FAILED US...along with "Emily's LIST!"

On Edit: They called me because I gave to them in the past...BUT...they NO LONGER SUPPORT ME and MY VIEWS! :grr:

If you WANT TO GIVE TO THEM here's their Website:

http://www.naral.org/

[Lex]

1. Huh?

:wtf:

[karlrschneider]

2. What the hell are you babbling about?

???

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[NMMNG]

3. ???

I think you're attributing more power to them than they actually have.

[HughMoran]

4. Whaaa?

:beer:

[Mojambo]

5. Did NARAL support Alito and Roberts?

If not then aren't you misdirecting your anger?

[shance]

23. They didn't have to. They did nothing to stop the nominations.

NARAL has been infiltrated much like every other progressive group today.

COINTELPRO and TIA and the Republican party have been very secretive and working behind the scenes to destroy all progressive causes for decades now.

Destruction is done in the shadows by hired provacateurs, infiltrators and snitches who set up and frame those either doing no harm or actually doing good and making the world a better place for everyone.

The cold war is the war to infiltrate every organization and group which stands to block the corporate corruption and greed.

[uppityperson]

27. They did "nothing to stop the nominations"? WTF?

They didn't get them stopped but they sure as hell did not do "nothing".

[KoKo]

6. MY NEW MOTTO is GIVE TO WHERE YOU HAVE RESULTS!

I Don't see anything but BIG MONEY supporting a BLOATED ORGANIZATION or "plural" for ORGANIZATIONS if you add "Emily's List" on to this.

When will Hillary talk about ALITO AND ROBERTS and the SUPREMES TRSHING WOMENS' RIGHTS!

Yeah...once she's ELECTED... "WAIT AND HOPE!"

I'm not donating to this crap.

[Lex]

12. Pray tell . . .

what organizations have given you the exact results you wished?

[KoKo]

14. "ACLU," "Doctors Without Borders" ", Amnesty International "and " Natural Resources Defense Fund."..

plus "Howard Dean at the DNC" and my Local Dems who are making a run for NC Senate and House that will hopefully one day run for US House & Senate."

Plus making my yard friendly for migrating birds being buffeted by Global Warming and trying my best to CONSERVE RESOURCES!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. The ACLU Also Unsuccessfully Opposed Ailito And Roberts

And they also have lost judicial and political battles...

[uppityperson]

33. Better stop supporting them then if they are so ineffective.

:sarcasm: in triplicate

[Madspirit]

48. Really?

I also give to Amnesty International. They are totally against the death penalty and yet, we still have the barbaric practice. I guess you should stop supporting them.
Lee

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

8. Well, to paraphrase Fred Schneider of the B-52's

"There goes NARAL........"

[VP505]

9. Good for you KoKo01!

I know exactly what your talking about, I was a member but I canceled with an Email to their leadership because they didn't oppose those two clowns.

[KoKo]

16. thanks...these groups just aren't living up to what they say..

they seem in many cases to be living off their 70's VALUE....and haven't grown to understand that folks are expecting more of them than what they've done.

NARAL should be in the FORE FRONT with younger Females to help them understand how hard folks worked to give them the freedoms they now take for granted.

Instead NARAL and "Emily's List" have been content to put out a few Press Releases and to be counted when MSNBC/CNN once a year decide to have a spokesperson on there.

THEY HAVE LET US DOWN! Bloated with Funds their Leadership has NOT SPENT TIME EDUCATING YOUNG FEMALES ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS NOW...and how WOMEN WORKED SO HARD TO GIVE THEM ..RIGHT TO VOTE, BIRTH CONTROL and RIGHT TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH AND MANAGEMENT!

Every time a PARIS HILTON OR BRITANNY ....comes out there as REP of CURRENT FEMALES...I CRY OUT for Help from NARAL or "Emily's LIST" and do I EVER SEE ANY CONVINCING COOL AND WITH IT REP? NO!!!!!!!!!!

NARAL AND "EMILIES" live in the '70's and 80's. They are FAT CATS AT THE TROUGH. THEY ARE RESTING ON THEIR LAURALS....

YOUNG WOMEN DON'T GIVE A DAMNED ABOUT THEM....:cry:

[THUNDER HANDS]

10. wow

I LOVE the ALL caps ON certain words. Really MAKES the POINT you're making STAND out THAT much better. Though I'm NOT necessarily SURE what YOU expected naral TO DO about Alito and ROBERTS because they don't HAVE much POWER in regards TO getting ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES to VOTE one way OR the other.

But I APPRECIATE the EMOTION at which you conveyed YOUR sentiment.

:)

[KoKo]

39. Ummm...NARAL and "Emily's List" are PAC's with thousands of Donators/Supporters.

Where have you been that you don't notice this but keep a "catalog of full caps."

:D

[liberalnurse]

11. Slow down, take a deep breathe......

NARAL, Emily's List, you, me....we could not stop the bus. The repugs had all the moves covered regardless of how much we screamed, who we bashes, berated or slept with...it could not change the outcome, we lost that battle. We loose battles, we win battles.....that's life, that's history and the future.

[KoKo]

18. Yeah...Blame it ALL on REPUGS! Convenient isn't it...where is Hillary or Anyone Else on

Supreme Court in our Candidates? Huh? Think any of them care about Female RIGHTS? What's been done and ABOUT TO BE DONE about Female Rights?

Give me the Candidates NAME! ______________ FILL IT IN!

[Canuckistanian]

13. They also endorsed Lieberman, IIRC

Even AFTER Lieberman said this:

Lieberman said he believes hospitals that refuse to give contraceptives to rape victims for "principled reasons" shouldn’t be forced to do so.

"In Connecticut, it shouldn’t take more than a short ride to get to another hospital," he said.

http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/07/12/can-someone-explain-this-to-me/

[trumad]

15. That's right---

Anybody who supports NARAL within the last couple of years haven't been paying attention to how miserably they've performed. I'm a big fan of Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake--- Jane rips NARAL big time for their lack of opposition to idiots like Lieberman.

[KoKo]

17. They have CHANGED...become "Fat Cats...Status Quo."

:-(

[KoKo]

19. So many Male DU'ers have chimed in on this thread..yet so few Females

and that makes me sad because I've seen posts from Female DU'ers so angry about what's going on they've requested their own Forum on DU to discuss it.

Yet..when I post "Taking a Stand" I get replies from MALE DU'ers with negative attacks. I hope to hear from my valiant Females who know how hard it was for us to WIN THE RIGHT TO VOTE and to not be "beasts of burden" bearing children forever......yet...this post is pretty silent from the DU Female point of view...except for one heroic poster.. :shrug: What's going on here?

[maddezmom]

54. I'll chime in, I'm a female

and still support NARAL. If you don't that is your choice, but I don't think this is a male vs female argument.

[Midlodemocrat]

61. As do I. I think this entire thread

is completely absurd.

[yardwork]

58. Actually, I see quite a few female posters disagreeing with you.

Maybe they added their comments after this post - I didn't check. I don't think that this is a male vs. female reaction, though.

I somewhat agree with you, KoKo01. I'm very disappointed in a lot of the larger organizations that should, I believe, be taking a stronger stand. However, I won't go so far as to say that NARAL and others have actually become the enemy.

Like you, I'm selective about where I give my money - I have to be - I have a limited amount to give! I haven't given anything to the Democratic Party and won't until I see more results from Congress. I do give money to Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, the Southern Poverty Research Center, Lambda Legal, some others. Others will select a different set to support.

We're all on the same side. Let's not exhaust ourselves fighting with our friends.

[Katherine Brengle]

20. Psssst - NARAL can't control presidential appointments.

Dill hole.

[Cha]

22. naral supported lieman..

[Katherine Brengle]

So did probably everyone on this board when he was Gore's running mate.

No one, or organization, is perfect.

[Cha]

38. I'm not talking about when lieman

was Gore's running mate..I'm talking about when he was running as an indiejoe against Ned Lamont(Democrat).

Nothing is Perfect, exactly, but they supported lieman over Lamont and that's too far down the line from Perfection for me.

[KoKo]

42. Katherine...I thought you were on this board talking about Female Rights?

Both Reproductive and Voting?

Now you come here sounding like you are recanting? :shrug:

[KoKo]

21. So...where are all the DU Females who complain about Reproductive Rights...?

I know it's Sunday Night...and I know folks are on vacation before School Starts and stuff.

But that kind of makes me wonder about the rest here. Only male attacks.........? :shrug:

[NMMNG]

29. I'm one of the DU females who complain about reproductive rights

And I contribute $10 per month to NARAL.

But I guess that's not what you want to hear right now, is it?

[Katherine Brengle]

30. It's almost my bedtime bro...

but I don't really agree with you to be honest. I think everyone makes mistakes and no one person or organization can stop these radicals from taking over the world.

[uppityperson]

32. MAYBE some of US females DISAGREE with YOU and HAVE decided to NOT

engage. ANYMORE. Maybe. I support NARAL, knowing that their power is limited. I support many other groups also. I say I'm female and I say I disagree with you that they did NOTHING.

[Madspirit]

46. Feminist Who Supports NARAL

One of my best friends works for our local chapter. I wasn't aware that NARAL had power over Supreme Court Justices.
I will continue to support them.
Lee

[uppityperson]

56. Me too.best to keep working with groups than drop them and give up.

[Liberal_in_LA]

25. I get calls from LAPD 'brotherhood' type groups asking for money.

Usually the memory of a recent LAPD beating of a minority is still in my head when they call. :-(

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. The Sad Thing Is The Cool Cops' Good Work Is Tarnished By The Work Of The Asshole Ones

FREE THE JENA SIX

[Liberal_in_LA]

34. agreed.

[KoKo]

28. I get you..."they" only call when they are down and out and want your money....

Sad and sick in a way...dontcha think.

Well...I DO! and that's why I told them FUCK OFF! NO MORE MONEY FROM ME!!!

[Annces]

31. It just seemed to me you were venting

about something that just happened. This was not a post informing people about something or trying to drum up support. I know the right to abortion is in jeopardy. We need to win the next election.

Women care about this issue. Remember when South Dakota wanted to outlaw abortion clinics. There were tons of postings on that subject.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. I Wonder

I wonder if Roberts has the stones to overturn Roe v Wade even if he got the fifth vote he needs... The Republicans like keeping it alive as an issue and realize the benefits of overturning it outweigh the costs...

Hopefully this will be moot and a Democratic president can replace Stevens... The sad thing is Roberts, Sc(ailito), Scalia, and Thomas have anothe decade or two on the Court...

[KoKo]

37. Please...if you have time...read my replies to posters here...where

I ask about Dem Candidates talking about Female Reproductive Rights going back to Females winning the right to VOTE!

I was doing "discussion" rather than laying out a thesis in my OP.

But, I can understand that you would have wanted to see more "references" in my OP.. I just assumed most DU'ers knew what I was talking about.

So..thanks for what you saw...but if you are truly interested read every post I made on this site that goes BEYOND "Venting."

Peace!

[BlooInBloo]

35. Yup - NARAL's fucking worthless - firedoglake wrote EXTENSIVELY about it...

... I remain continually shocked that nobody seems to be aware of this.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=firedoglake+naral&btnG=Google+Search&num=100

[KoKo]

40. Are you trying to be "unkind" in your post?

casting incredulity over at "Firedoglake gals?" What they said was important...but what I've seen from NARAL and Emily's is my OWN JUDGEMENT... So much as I like and read "Firedoglake" ...I use my own judgement.

:shrug:

[BlooInBloo]

41. How 100% agreement gets mis-taken for "unkind" is beyond me...

... But it doesn't really interest me either - I'll leave it to you to puzzle that out, if you're so inclined.

[KoKo]

43. No...not so inclined to puzzle out what you say....

because what you say added nothing to discussion...it kinda didn't interest me either.

I'd like to know more WHAT YOU FEEL about this ISSUE...and why you posted on this thread if you feel ...NOTHING ..of interest.

It's kind of a "boring day for you" so you thought you'd chime in "what the hell" and you wouldn't be questioned? :eyes:

[trumad]

45. Old bloo in post an excellent link about NARAL and Firedoglake.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=firedoglake+naral&btnG=Google+Search&num=100

[BlooInBloo]

50. I am NOT old. Hrmph.

:)

[trumad]

66. Sorry---LOL

[uppityperson]

57. Someone agreeing adds NOTHING...of interest?

You insult someone agreeing for agreeing with you? Incredible. Are you still ignoring me?

[BlooInBloo]

59. And added numerous links with substantial analysis & experience don't forget!

tee-hee.

[Madspirit]

47. My Friend Bloo Agrees With You

I don't but evidently you treat people who agree with you as badly as you treat those of us who don't. Odd.
Lee

[BlooInBloo]

49. :) How are ya!

It's all good - as long as the info gets out there. It's too important a cause for people to labor under significant misconceptions.

NARAL - useless
NARAL's stated mission - important

There may also be a difference between "national NARAL" (what I'm talking about), and local chapters, or whatever they're called.

[Madspirit]

52. I'm OK. How Are You?...n/t

[BlooInBloo]

55. I'm good - tweaking a few noses, watching football, playing a game... A good day. :)

[jonnyblitz]

63. I had KooKoo rip into me one night when I agreed with her also.

we kept telling her "but he is AGREEING with you" and she kept going on and on and on..:crazy:

sometimes it takes awhile for the thorazine to kick in, I guess. :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

64. Maybe we weren't agreeing STRONGLY ENOUGH?

:rofl:

[Madspirit]

65. "sometimes it takes awhile for the thorazine to kick in, I guess."

:rofl: :rofl:

Lee

[KoKo]

44. WHERE DO our Dem Candidates Stand on this Issue? Female Rights?

Who has the position that would fit in with many DU'ers? What about Supreme Court Fiasco's like Alito and Roberts?

What about Bush appointing in the next 16 months ANOTHER RW Supreme who will do away with Roe vs Wade and even go farther back to get rid of "Birth Contol?" How do we know they wouldn't do this? And where do our Dem Frontrunners Hillar, Obama and Edwards stand on these issue? IMHO ...only Edwards because of Elizabeth would even TALK ABOUT THIS!

But...isn't this SO IMPORTANT to ALL OF US? :shrug:

[AmandaRuth]

51. you are so right koko

during the period of the roberts confirmation, at my local dem meeting, I asked an ACLU guy (who had shown up to talk about something, I forget now), if any of the liberal advocate organizations, the aclu, planned parenthood, people for the american way, NARAL, the sierra club, ever ever talked to each other, in much the same way that boosh has his Wednesday morning phone or meeting (or when ever/what ever it is) call with his base, and the guy looked at me like I was crazy, it was like whattttt? Us talk to each, to like plan strategy, what are you talking about.....

I knew then we were in a bigger battle than even I could have imagined.

[KoKo]

60. I know ...it's like the voice that's been put off out into "Lefty Bra Burners"

LABELED and put away. When there's so much more. All the studies say Womens pay for equal work with men is below men. We have battered women, welfae women, women who have to work two jobs and more...with no day care...leaving kids in cars...alone without relatives...without any resources.

And, MSNBC and CNN labels them when they lose their minds...or blames them because they are "VICTIMS."

[mondo joe]

53. If you think the US sucks with NARAL, imagine it without. NT

[Bluebear]

62. "NARAL sucks! Here's their website!"

:crazy:

[Lex]

67. Possibly reverse psychology?

:rofl: