Bush could stay in power after 2009!

[BornagainDUer]

.....Bush quietly signed a directive that may ensure that he and Tricky Dick II don't have to hand over the reigns.

It's called the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive and provides Bush with everything he needs to provide "continuance" of, well, whatever he wants to "continue".


National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive,

Basically the directive states the in the case of a national Catastrophic Emergency", the President, along with the head of Homeland Security, can take over the government and do whatever they please in order to provide "continuance".

Here's the quote right from the White House website:

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions....more


Bush will be the decider on what these terms mean.




http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/29/12921/7971

[muntrv]

1. Another reminder that shrub prefers King George to George Washington.

[SammyWinstonJack]

2. Color me shocked. NOT!

:shrug: I got nothin' else. :-(

[Richard D]

3. That is more than disturbing.

[purduejake]

32. Makes you wonder what they have planned for us. n/t

[cali]

4. I'd like to see the blighted

little fuckwad try.

[BeFree]

11. he is trying, I see it

And who's gonna stop him? Nobody that I can see, try as we might, heck, some of us don't even see it....

[SammyWinstonJack]

19. Oh just wait. I put nothing past cheney.

:-(

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

27. None of them could survive without the "appearance" of legitimacy.

What they will do to maintain that appearance is an entirely different matter.

[Cha]

5. If they want a

revolution so be it.

[no_hypocrisy]

6. Would the Supreme Court by a majority find this Directive to be constitutional?

And if not, how would * be forceably removed?

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. With Scalito, Roberts, Thomas, Scalia and Kennedy....yes, they would.

This has been the PNAC plan all along. Hegemony. World Domination and The SCOTUS is stacked against us. Kennedy has turned (Reagan appointee). Remember, he just voted to turn over the rights of women:

<snip>
A Supreme Court once again split by the thinnest of margins ruled yesterday that workers may not sue their employers over unequal pay caused by discrimination alleged to have occurred years earlier.

The court ruled 5 to 4 that Lilly Ledbetter, the lone female supervisor at a tire plant in Gadsden, Ala., did not file her lawsuit against Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co. in the timely manner specified by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.<snip>

http://matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2007/5/30/supreme-court-decides-to-favor-discrimination-against-women-.html

This court was put in place for a reason. Justice O'Connor retired ....JUST IN TIME to let it happen too (another Reagan appointee) :(.

In fact, things are so nuts at the SCOTUS, Justice Breyer asked Specter (?) to look into their last 8 rulings because he felt Stare Decisis was being ignored by Roberts and Scalito. That's how bad things are. When one Justice goes to a member of the Judiciary Committee and asks for an investigation, something is terribly wrong.

There's no doubt in my mind that Directive 51 would be approved by this SCOTUS.:(

[EVDebs]

35. All mentioned are Catholics I see. Are they also Federalist Society members too ?

John Roberts
(Chief Justice) Catholic
Stephen G. Breyer Jewish
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Jewish
Anthony M. Kennedy Catholic
Antonin Scalia Catholic
David H. Souter Episcopalian
John Paul Stevens Protestant
Clarence Thomas Catholic
Samuel Alito Catholic

http://www.adherents.com/adh_sc.html

This also would be why the Knights of Malta would show no favor to even one of their own religion, JFK for example, should he stray from the wishes of the organization.

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. Well, Google tells me they ALL are members or CLOSELY connected to the Federalist Society.

Thomas, Scalito, Roberts, Scalia AND Kennedy.:(


<snip>The Society has many prominent conservative members including:

* United States Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia (who served as the original faculty advisor to the organization)
* Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito
* Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas<snip>

<snip>
Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts was reported to be a member of the Federalist Society during the 2005 confirmation process, but Roberts's membership status was never definitively established. Deputy White House press secretary Dana Perino said Roberts "has no recollection of ever being a member."<14> The Washington Post later located the Federalist Society Lawyers' Division Leadership Directory, 1997-1998, which listed Roberts as a member of the Washington chapter steering committee.<15> Membership in the Society is not a necessary condition for being listed in the leadership directory.<15> Like other private organizations, including the NAACP and the National Rifle Association, the Federalist Society does not publish a membership list or otherwise disclose the identity of its members, preferring instead to let members publicly identify themselves with the Society if they so choose.

The Bush administration has nominated a number of Society members to federal District and Appeals courts.<4><snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Society

<snip>
"The organization actively seeks to limit "judicial activism" and reverse Supreme Court landmark rulings since the New Deal, especially those issued in the 1960s and '70s. . . . Founded in 1982 by three law students, the Federalist Society has grown into one of the most influential institutions in America. Four of the nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court -- Clarence Thomas, William H. Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy -- are close affiliates of the Federalist Society. So are Donald P. Hodel, former president of the Christina Coalition, and special prosecutor Kenneth Starr."
--George Curry & Trevor Coleman, "Hijacking Justice," Emerge, Oct 1999<snip>

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/cahHJ.html


<snip>Unlike twenty years ago, when liberal federal judges provided the most desirable clerkships for law school graduates, today the best "feeders" to the Supreme Court and White House are Reagan and Bush appointees. Judge Kozinski, who screens potential clerks for Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, says that seeing the Federalist Society on a résumé "tells me you're of a particular philosophy, and I tend to give an edge to people I agree with philosophically."<snip>

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20011001/bach


<snip>
Formed in 1982, the Federalist Society claims 40,000 members who can be found in every arena of American law, including the district courts, federal courts, U.S Supreme Court, Congress, private and public interest law firms, and numerous law schools. As of 1998, members of the Federalist Society were state judges in at least nine states and occupied at least twenty-two positions on the federal bench. U.S. Supreme Court Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas and Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist are “close affiliates of the Federalist Society.”<2> According to the Federalist Society’s 1998 list, at least nine members of Congress, and three state attorneys general, were Federalist Society members.<snip>

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=related:www.nexusjournal.org/2002judicial/GerchikRTP.htm

<snip>
The Federalists' other channel to power has been through clerkships at the Supreme Court under sympathetic judges Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy - and Chief Justice William Rehnquist.<snip>

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0429-01.htm


<snip>
Horowitz¹s concept was taken up with relish by senior members of the new Administration. They operated on two tracks--designed to insure that the Reagan Revolution would well outlast the Reagan Presidency. The first, to reclaim the Federal courts from liberals, swept an array of conservative scholars and judges from law schools and state courts onto the Federal bench: the likes of Robert Bork, Ralph Winter, Antonin Scalia, Richard Posner, Sandra Day O¹Connor, and Anthony Kennedy.<snip>

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0003.landay.html

[EVDebs]

41. Not to mention that Alito and Roberts both during Reagan admin

were in positions that oversaw the executive orders that make martial law possible today. REX 84 etc.

[no_hypocrisy]

42. Kennedy would cave on this one? Really?

I mean, he's not Souter or Ginsberg, but would he?

[warren pease]

7. A few more dots to connect...

This is a long post from a thread on a similar topic a couple of days ago.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/warren%20pease/101

Lots o' links for the source-obsessed.



wp

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

34. It's a long-term STRATEGIC investment. Always make your prey appear as if,...

,...it is in control of its destiny.

[JanMichael]

8. If that wouldn't spark a revolt I don't know what could.

Then again with the high levels of illiteracy, and over all mind fuck of the media, of the general populace it might well just go off without a hitch.

EDIT: I should add that there's no reason for this to happen as they've done nearly everything they set to do. The rich are richer which was about the number one goal.

[BlooInBloo]

9. Not hand over the reins? I don't see that as a live possibility.

[high density]

10. I don't think we have to be THAT paranoid

It would be much easier for them to just steal another election and then force the same crap on us with a different face on it.

[snappyturtle]

12. Winning another election won't leave bush in power. .....but he

could stay in power even after losing the election in Nov. '08 by using this directive.

[maseman]

14. They won't stay around

Come on...now that Shrub and Dick have been on top and have personally helped all of their corporate friends it is time for them to collect. Remember, the money they get paid for being Pres and VP is chump change.

Cheney goes back to Halliburton as a CEO, Chairman, etc. with 50 million stock options worth $700 million and gets a $10 mill sallary per year while conducting 4 board meetings.

Chimpy goes on 5 different chairs of boards for about $4 mill per year salaries, speaks at southern mega-churches, does about ten speeches per year (haha, yes I know ludicrous but he will) for about $100k per speech, does some brush clearin' in Crawford, etc.

Oh, I forgot about the books. Both "write" books about their lives in the White House and make another few million doing that.

Why would they want the daily grind of the BS that deal with now? Time to collect. I believe half the reason why they took care of so many rich people is so they could ensure their own futures.

[Individualist]

16. Some lust for money, some lust for power, some lust for both

I'm convinced Cheney and the chimperor are both in the latter category.

[kimmerspixelated]

20. I think you make some good points.

What bothers me is the fact that the stealthy recent way in which they got this into writing. If it was so innocent why get it written in the manner in which they did and so quickly at that?

If they are collecting on their deeds, then I would think that Bush's supposed payout would seem like chump change, unless of course, some of that unaccounted for money in Iraq and other places, seems to have made itself into his account...Things that make ya go...hmmm?

[BlackVelvet04]

13. It's not going to happen...... n/t

[Xenotime]

17. THIS IS FUCKING OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

THIS CAN NOT HAPPEN!!!!!!!

[krispos42]

18. Over his dead body n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Careful, Agent Mike might be monitoring.

:yoiks:

[krispos42]

23. Eh, I've also called for him to be hung for treason...

...from the yardarm of the USS Constitution.


Agent Mike must secretly agree with me! :-)

[EVDebs]

33. A quote from Voltaire should suffice; I heard George Carlin give it

at a concert a few years ago and the audience was stunned:

“The ideal form of government is democracy tempered with assassination.”

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_ideal_form_of_government_is_democracy/327861.html

Hey, agent Mike already knows about JFK, MLK, and RFK. The CIA operated what LBJ called a 'damn Murder, Inc.' I've heard

L.B.J., Hoover and Domestic Spying
Monday, Feb. 10, 1975 By HUGH SIDEY
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,912799,00.html

Bush has nothing to fear from us DUers. His real worries should be from his Praetorian Guard. As with Ancient Rome, when a 'Little Boots' or other emperor begins acting sooo beyond the pale, his insular world begins to provide little protection

Category:Roman emperors murdered by the Praetorian Guard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Roman_emperors_murdered_by_the_Praetorian_Guard

[backscatter712]

36. Let him listen.

Agent Mike can tell his boss that he is going to leave the Presidency on January 20, 2009, one way or another. That's his Constitutional duty, and the Constitution doesn't make exceptions for "emergencies".

[LiberalFighter]

22. This story has been repeated more than once at DU

As far as I am concerned should Bush attempt to stay on after 1/20/2009 then he will be subject to arrest and/or any such action that the citizens determine is needed to remove him from the White House.

He would not have the legal protection of the Secret Service if he attempts to stay on. Any military attempting to protect him would be in violation of their oath and US law.

[BornagainDUer]

43. Who would enforce it?

:shrug:

[Garbo 2004]

24. You know there were previous continuity of gov't Pres directives? Need to compare/contrast to

note what are the changes in this one and the siginficance. Executive directives and other orders for the continuation of Fed executive branch of gov't have a history predating the Bush Administration so that in itself is not new, just in case anyone thinks this directive is the first of its kind. Without knowing what the previous directives were, one can't really know the what the changes are in this one or how significant they are.

From FAS.ORG, referencing previous directives: http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:2tlknmb2oikJ:www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/RS22674.pdf+National+continuity+of+government&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=opera pdf version here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/secrecy/RS22674.pdf

WaPo article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050902719.html

[MonkeyFunk]

25. please

there's nothing in that directive that allows him to stay in office past 2009. This is hysterical paranoia.

[BornagainDUer]

44. Then why was Bush so hell bent on getting it passed?

[Garbo 2004]

26. TPM: Experts: Prez Directive Nothing New

Experts: Prez Directive Nothing New
By Laura McGann - May 29, 2007, 3:31 PM When a presidential directive appeared on the White House’s Web site on May 9, seemingly expanding the president's powers after a catastrophic attack, readers began emailing us asking why there had been no uproar in the media or amongst civil liberties groups. The consensus amongst experts seems to be that the directive, aimed at establishing "continuity of government" after a major disaster, is not new nor does the policy seem to expand executive power. In fact, Mike German, the policy counsel to the ACLU’s Washington office told me that an executive continuity plan actually might “not be that bad of an idea.” Executive power expert, NYU law professor David Golove, also sent me an email saying the directive didn’t appear to be a power grab. National Security Presidential Directive 51 or Homeland Security Presidential Directive 20 is posted here. Have a look. Presidential directives outlining how the executive branch will remain intact in the event of an emergency have been around since the Cold War. The directive posted this month is the first to be made public, to the best of German’s recollection. (A description of Clinton’s continuity directive is available here.) German called the release a positive sign, but said he urges the release of all previous directives so we can get a real sense of what has changed. The concept of continuity of government applies to all branches of government. Christopher Kelleye, a presidency expert and political science professor at Miami University Ohio told me in an email that he didn’t see any new powers listed in the directive, but wondered why Congress hasn’t done the same thing.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003310.php

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Swift Boater, Jerome Corsi (repuke) has this to say about the Directive 51...sorry for the link

That's who he writes for, but I saw him on C-SPAN talking about this. He's not at all happy and he's a REPUKE.

<snip>
The directive issued May 9 makes no attempt to reconcile the powers created there for the National Continuity Coordinator with the National Emergency Act. As specified by U.S. Code Title 50, Chapter 34, Subchapter II, Section 1621, the National Emergency Act allows that the president may declare a national emergency but requires that such proclamation "shall immediately be transmitted to the Congress and published in the Federal Register."

A Congressional Research Service study notes that under the National Emergency Act, the president "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."

The CRS study notes that the National Emergency Act sets up congress as a balance empowered to "modify, rescind, or render dormant such delegated emergency authority," if Congress believes the president has acted inappropriately.

NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 appears to supersede the National Emergency Act by creating the new position of National Continuity Coordinator without any specific act of Congress authorizing the position.

NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 also makes no reference whatsoever to Congress. The language of the May 9 directive appears to negate any a requirement that the president submit to Congress a determination that a national emergency exists, suggesting instead that the powers of the executive order can be implemented without any congressional approval or oversight.

Homeland Security spokesperson Russ Knocke affirmed that the Homeland Security Department will be implementing the requirements of NSPD-51/ HSPD-20 under Townsend's direction.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824

The White House had no comment.

[burrowowl]

28. If he stays in power

after January 20, 2009 at 12:00 pm, I hope people will take to the streets!
Would that he and Dick be impeached before then!

[THUNDER HANDS]

29. well, that's pretty unlikely

First of all, let's assume this happened in the transition period between the election and innaugeration day. Like December.

For that to happen, the newly elected Pres, his VP, the speaker of the house, the pres. Pro Tem of the senate and a host of other cabinet members would have to die in a mass incident.

We're talking like Battlestar Galactica type events here.

I don't forsee the Cylons coming anytime soon.

[Kablooie]

30. Whew! What a relief. I thought he was going to leave. We can all relax now.

[EVDebs]

31. Bush has already called Iraq a 'catastrophic success' so creating domestic 'catastrophic emergency'

shouldn't be a problem (snark).

[populistdriven]

38. * is a "Catastrophic Emergency"

[spanone]

39. Naw, we , the american people, won't put up with his shit one day longer than we must.

we'll run his sorry ass out of town on a rail...guaranteed.

[Rex]

45. He doesn't have the balls. Cheney sold his so sans him too.

They will crawl off like bottom feeders, lurking under rocks and trash piles. So much harder to prosecute a private and very rich/powerful citizen then one still in office and under OATH.

Not a chance, although I'm sure George would LOVE to stay in power - as long as he is the dictator mind you.