For all of the Vick bashers out there!

[Tim4319]

I do not condone the the killing of any living thing. But, I wish some people would let this issue rest, and use the same energy they have attacking Vick, and focus it on Jena Louisiana. There is a true crime happening of some human and civil right violations. Yet, I do not see organizations like PETA protesting and picketing the 1930's through 60's style of racism that is going on there. As horrific as the Vick case is, and we are still not sure of his participation, let this rest and let justice takes it course. Please, please, please give more attention to the six teenagers who are truly getting railroaded by an obviously racist local justice system.

http://www.countercurrents.org/flaherty220807.htm
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=2007080908533925
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/08/15/18440890.php

[BlooInBloo]

1. That'll never happen - there are things DUers (pretend) to care about...

... and things they don't even bother to pretend to care about. Jena is in the latter camp.

[Tim4319]

3. It's amazing how people value the life of an animal

more then a humans life! Mary Winkler can kill her husband in cold blood, plead guilty and get a 210 day sentence. While Vick is facing a year!

[BlooInBloo]

4. You get used to the inhumanity (literally) here after awhile.

[Purveyor]

8. The 'inhumanity' has been well earned by 'humanity', imo. People suck, pets rule! n/t

[BlooInBloo]

13. Yawn.

[idgiehkt]

36. well the real world sucks pretty bad too.

there have been a lot fewer Vick threads than porn threads and I don't see anyone complaining about that.

[LisaL]

11. Well, in my opinion, dogs are better than a lot of people.

They are loyal and love you unconditionally.

[JVS]

14. Unconditionally, as long as you're the hand that feeds them

[LisaL]

19. No, that's cats.

[billbuckhead]

12. Michael Vick ran an animal torturing business vs one act of passion

So they aren't equivalent crimes, one goes beyond planned and the other was much more spontaneous. Make no mistake about it, animal abusers have a well documented history of graduating to abusing humans.

[Tim4319]

21. So, what is the percentage of animal abusers turned serial killers?

All of the people involved in Cockfighting, Bullfighting, Hog Doging, and dog fighting, you mean to tell me that all of these people are going to graduate to abusing humans?

[billbuckhead]

29. Defending animal abuse? Here's a link to back up what I said about animal abusers

The Animal Abuse-Human Violence Link

"One of the most dangerous things that can happen to a child is to kill or torture an animal and get away with it."
- Anthropologist Margaret Mead

Until recently, violence toward children, domestic violence, and elder violence were considered unrelated to violent acts toward animals. A growing body of research and evidence demonstrates that individuals who perpetrate acts of cruelty against animals rarely stop there. Animal abuse can be a warning sign of future serious violent behavior, especially among young offenders. Increasingly, c hild protection and social service agencies, mental health professionals and educators regard animal abuse as a significant form of aggressive and antisocial behavior, and consider it an important red flag in identifying other violent behavior. Please consider the following facts:

The FBI considers animal cruelty to be one of the predictors of violence and considers past animal abuse when profiling serial killers.
National and state studies determined that from 54 to 71 percent of women seeking shelter reported that their partners had threatened, injured or killed one or more family pets (Anicare Model workshop, Tacoma 2004). If children are victims of domestic violence they may in turn represent that abuse with an animal, the only being they feel they can control.
In assessing youth who are at risk of committing interpersonal violence, the U.S. Department of Justice emphasizes the importance of including information about past animal abuse.
More than 80 percent of families being treated for child abuse were also involved in animal abuse. In 2/3 of the cases, the abusive parent killed or injured the pet. Sadly, in 1/3 of the cases, a child victim continued the cycle of violence by abusing a pet.
A study in 1997 by the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and Northeastern University found that 70 percent of all animal abusers have committed at least one other criminal offense and that almost 40 percent had committed violent crimes against people. They also found that over a 20-year period, a group of individuals who had abused animals as youths were five times more likely to commit violent crimes, four times more likely to commit property crimes and three times more likely to have drug or disorderly conduct offenses than a matched group of non animal abusers.

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http://www.paws.org/help/report/connection.php

[Tim4319]

37. Thanks for the research.

However, again I ask, out of all of those people who attend those different animal fighting methods, how many end up committing worse crimes?

[billbuckhead]

I'd bet much money that those involved in dogfoghting are also around other crimes

I wonder how many gun laws, drug laws, etc are broken during one of these dog fights? But then, I think boxing and gun shows should be illegal because of what they do to society.

[Hoof Hearted]

75. Serial Killers? No. Human abusers - nearly ALL.

You can go look up the studies yourself, or remain in ignorance of the matter, as is your prerogative; but the jury is in on that one just as surely as it is on global warming.

Animal abusers very nearly without exception - abuse people.

I simply can't abide the argument against compassion for the weakest and most vulnerable, possessing literally no voice, without response. Can we not have room for all who deserve our sympathy?

[LisaL]

16. By the way, Winkler didn't plead guilty. She was convicted of

something like manslaughter. She used the abuse defense. Would be kind of hard for Vick to claim his dogs abused him.
I personally think Winkler should have gotten a lot more time than she got. But that's neither here nor there.

[Tim4319]

25. When it comes to a dogs life, thow the book at him,

when someone kills a human its ho-hum?

[idgiehkt]

35. they didn't exactly throw the book at Vick

it could have been a lot worse. Two totally different cases...why whine about it at DU when DUers had no say in either one???

[Hoof Hearted]

77. He could have gotten 20 years - he should be thankful.

That would constitue "having the book" thrown at him. I'm sure he'll find a way to make a living when he gets out, and I'm quite sure it will be more substantial than you and I will make do with. No need to feel sorry for him, he earned his way to the top, and now he's earned his way into prison. Very simple really.

[HardRocker05]

86. tell you this, i value the life of an animal over a person who condones animal cruelty. sorry.

[Forkboy]

90. I said it yesterday and I'll say it again.

You don't seem to like DU very much.

"DUers love Drudge, Politico, etc. They simply don't care."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

" DUers have always hated Clinton."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Never been a word of outrage on DU because of that." "DUers slay me."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Hopefully they take the celebrity gossip out of his show...I realize that'll bug DUers, but whatever."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"DUers simply hate Democrats..."
"No-one hates Democrats like a DUer."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


"DUers will HAAATE the American public so much more if they vote for Clinton....than they do for voting for republicans!"
"DUers are insane."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"DUers like to use *hypocrisy* as a rationalization for ripping on a rich pretty republican.."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Lots (maybe most) DUers believe that animals are as morally valuable as people."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"DU loves nothing so much as celebrity gossip. Anna Nicole, Paris, etc."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Oh wait - was I talking about DU or Chris Matthews?"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"DUers make me want to :puke: sometimes."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Ripping on Democrats is DUers' job."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Just your typical Democrat-hating DUer."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"As usual, voting record matters not in the least to DUers."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"I fail to see what moral high ground DUers have for criticizing the media, when they happily spew crap sources as well."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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We can add this comment here that you just posted.

Seriously,what is the problem? Do you feel you're so much better than the rest of us?

How about adding the word "some" before you trash the whole lot of us with your ENDLESS DU bashing. :shrug:

[billbuckhead]

2. Vick was supposed to be a de facto leader for all Americans

like any other starting NFL quarterback and severely let us all down.

[JVS]

7. The man was supposed to throw a fucking football

De facto leader, what a crock of shit.

[BlooInBloo]

17. Just the standard make-shit-up to make him look as bad and hurtful as possible....

... I heard he was the MESSIAH - come to save all mankind. Boy is this disappointing!

:rofl:

[Hoof Hearted]

82. The effort is unnecessary.

He did it himself.

[Tim4319]

18. True, Vick may put butts in seats, sell sneakers, and jerseys

But, he does not have the power to effect the legal system in the way a District Attorney does. The same DA that told 6 black teens, that he can change their lives with the stroke of a pen. In the trial of Mychael Bell, the court appointed attorney would not allow his parents to sit in the courtroom, he would not object to anything any of the prosecuting attorney witnesses said, plus did not call in witnesses on Mychael Bell's behave. So, I ask you, putting things into perspective which situation has a greater effect on America?

[LeftyMom]

5. Uh, peta is an animal rights organization

Why on earth would they be involved in that case?

Oh, and many of us are involved in many issues that have nothing to do with animal rights or welfare on an individual basis or through organizations involved in those issues.

And finally, for the millionth fucking time- peta is one animal rights group. There are many others. If you can't name any more without googling, than consider posting about things you know something about.

[Tim4319]

26. God bless you Lefty!

I am sorry if I an not as smart as you are. However, there are people who are not part of any of the animals rights organizations that took a side on the Vick issue. I would like to see more attention brought to some humans rights that are being violated while they are still teenagers. They still have the rest of their lives to live and the not allowed to attend high school, and facing the possibility to spend the next ten years in jail.

[idgiehkt]

39. somehow I don't think shaming people about their value systems

is going to get you where you want to go. Good luck, though.

[LeftyMom]

58. Then why did you bring AR groups into it?

It's like asking why the folks working for America's Second Harvest or Doctors Without Borders or FarmAid or NOW or the American Heart Association haven't commented on the case. It doesn't have a thing to do with their area of expertise.

[flvegan]

61. PETA has coattails that are easily ridden upon.

Sadly, these same assholes will bitch about AR at the next opportunity.

THEN, then, they'll poke PETA for doing the same.

Imagine that. Hypocrites...here...at DU.

[LeftyMom]

65. True

Thick on the ground, aren't they?

[Hoof Hearted]

80. So true, flvegan. I'll never understand why some can't imagine caring about animals and humans

at the same time. Must be a defense mechanism.

[Hoof Hearted]

79. If that's what you were attempting, you've done it poorly.

You tried to advance the cause of an issue that is TOTALLY UNRELATED by screaming "Vick bashers are PETA members who don't care about people and civil rights".

It's incoherent and silly.

[BlackHawk706867]

6. He struck a plee deal pleading guilty... What more do you want to decide that what...

he did was heinous? Sorry, but this guy deserves the maximum penalty that can be awarded including never, never being able to earn a living as a major league player again. Jack Kaffarty will tell you like it should be if you care to watch.

ww

[book_worm]

9. I heard they may have more on him and may actually be facing some real time

[idgiehkt]

47. he is facing real time

in the sense of 16 months to several years. Are you talking about more?

[mzteris]

10. newsflash

a person who abuses animals is more than likely abusing people, too.

I wonder who Michael Vick abused in addition to the dogs?

[LeftyMom]

15. The girlfriend he intentionally transmitted herpes to for one. nt

[mzteris]

20. Intentionally?

Did she sue?

I would imagine that is the tip of the iceberg for someone who feels "entitled" because they're a football "hero". :eyes:

[LeftyMom]

24. Yeah, she sued

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick#Ron_Mexico_lawsuit

[UTUSN]

22. Uh, yeah, we *are* sure about his participation. n/t

[jgraz]

23. Vick's torture of innocents for sport is psychopathic, plain and simple

The guy needs to be locked away for a very long time. One year in prison is a travesty -- he will still be the same torturing monster next year that he is today.

[Tim4319]

27. If he is that bad, what is locking him up going to do?

If he is that bad, and we still do not what the extent to his plea, why not get him some psychological help?

[billbuckhead]

33. Let's keep him away from society, spreading herpes and doing weird stuff on planes

It's not like Vick is some choirboy that just had a weakness for abusing animals as a business. Vick has let America down by being a gifted athlete who turned criminal. Perhaps a long prison term will keep "Ron Mexico" from doing an O.J. or something even worse. At least he won't be giving then fans the finger anymore after botching a game he was being paid close to a million bucks to play .

[idgiehkt]

41. do you reall think you can 'force' therapy on someone?

the guy had a $130 million dollar contract...if he thought he needed therapy he'd have gotten it a long time before now.

[Zueda]

28. I'm going offer my 2 cents

For what it's worth.

First. I think are a Vick Apologist.

Second. If people do actually divert their attention from the Vick Case to the civil rights issue whats to stop someone else from entering your civil rights threads... climbing the soap box and proclaiming that the...hmmm let's see...what could be more important that YOUR cause...maybe the Iraq war?...yes....that seems to be more important!

My point is that no matter what the topic of the day is there will always be more important issues. That's no reason to give-up on less important causes as you would like to happen in this case.

On edit: and whats really bad is you are coming across as more concerned with Vick's welfare than the civil rights cause you state in your post.

[Tim4319]

31. No, I am not a Vick apologist!

As I said earlier, I do not condone dog fighting. I had a dog that passed away in June. Yes, she was a huge part of the family. Yes, my wife and I both cried when she died. So, I understand how the killing and torturing of dogs can pull at heartstrings. But, I hate to say this, it all seems to go back to racism. Here you have a young black male making millions, he gets caught in a situation and everyone out to crucify him. Young black kids are facing possible jail time for a school yard fight, lets sweep it under a rug. However, if your have blond hair and blue eyes, you are the topic of discussion for years, if they were wronged.

[petersjo02]

34. Explain to me this

Why does caring about the Vick issue preclude me from also caring about the Jena issue?

[Tim4319]

43. You can do both.

I've read a few of your post concerning Vick, since I've posted this. Have you done anything to help in the Jena case? Because many people are extremely passionate about their feelings about Vick, I would like to see the same passion for some teenagers who could get locked up and not walk out of jail until their late 20's early 30's.

[idgiehkt]

46. here is an article that

makes a point in the same vein. I really think your beef is with the media coverage of Vick vs. the media coverage of the kids you are talking about because DUer are gonna talk about whatever the media reports, and double if that is a celebrity

Nobody Knows My Name
http://charlotte.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A190713

[petersjo02]

57. My view of your OP and attempts to defend your POV

I'm not sure why you have any right to ask me to detail my activities in regard to Jena, especially when you, yourself, express nothing more than disappointment that others aren't more "outraged" or at least outraged enough to meet your criteria for appropriate outrage (which seems to be a level of outrage higher than Vick outrage). Your wishing that more would exhibit interest or outrage regarding Jena doesn't allow you to be judge or jury as to others' activities in regard to either Vick or Jena or any other issue, for that matter.

Why can't you simply write a post with the sole intent to discuss the Jena issue and try to enlighten and inspire others to make an effort to help by constructively describing how you have personally helped, are currently helping, and how others can help. There is absolutely no reason for you to even bring Vick into your argument unless your intention is simply to throw stones.

[Hoof Hearted]

83. I think you just made way too much sense.

Hence, I'm sure you will be ignored.

[flvegan]

45. I have blond hair and blue eyes.

I don't see racism here, and I'd take that stance against anyone that did.

[LisaL]

55. Oh give me a break. How is Vick being wronged?

It's reported he is going to plead guilty. He was accused of crimes, and he is apparently pleading guilty to those crimes. If he didn't want to plead guilty, he could have gone on trial. He sure can afford to pay a lawyer. WTF wronged him?

[Tim4319]

62. I did not say Vick was wronged.

As a matter of fact, I believe he should bet what ever punishment fits his crime. How ever, I was talking about the teens in Jena, and how they are being wronged.

[petersjo02]

66. Then why bring Vick into it at all?

Write your post about Jena, talk about the ISSUE, and leave Vick out of it. Being sorry there isn't the same attention to it in the media doesn't move the discussion along in any way. Take some responsibility for enlightening DUers about it and helping us learn how we can help in a post solely dedicated to that purpose.

[Tim4319]

73. I tried that, and it got no attention

I talk to people about it, and people have never even heard about. Like I said in another post, I got frustrated about the lack of attention the kids were getting and sat down and just starting typing. But, I did, a few weeks back, post a thread about the case and what the DA did, how many years the kids were facing, and nothing!

[Hoof Hearted]

85. Well you're not doing a good job NOW either. Where is your thoughtful information about your issue?

All you've done here is defend Vick and make vague references. How does that help?

[Tim4319]

63. I did not say Vick was wronged.

As a matter of fact, I believe he should bet what ever punishment fits his crime. How ever, I was talking about the teens in Jena, and how they are being wronged.

[Zueda]

76. Oh...

Ok. I see. So because Vick is black we should let him slide with a slap on the wrist. If we don't then we are racist. I get it now!

[petersjo02]

32. Thanks, Zueda

You obviously get it. A toast to you from Iowa.

[petersjo02]

30. Caring about one issue...

does NOT preclude anyone from working for or caring about another issue. Far too often, such as in this case, people try to oversimplify consideration of difficult issues by arguing to make it an "either/or" choice, e.g., if you support issue A then you are wrong because you should be supporting issue B instead. Sorry to rain on your parade by not buying into your false dichotomy. I won't allow you to decide for me or anyone else what issue is "most" important.

[billbuckhead]

38. I suspect the motives of those who use arguments such as this a wedge issue

The false assumption that someone who cares for animals must therefore care less about humans. I've found that those who care for animals care even more for humans than those who don't care about animals.

[CitizenLeft]

88. ABSOLUTELY.

Thank you.

Again, to the OP if he reads this, not just piling on you, but after two weeks of these kinds of threads, or comments in threads about Vick, I've had it with the "you don't care about human issues" assumptions. Pisses me off. :)

[flvegan]

40. Nah, we were too busy going after the prosecution of the SHAC7. BTW...where were you?

[LeftyMom]

49. The what? Wait, you mean the govt treats us like shit too?

Who knew? :rofl:

[flvegan]

56. The linking to infoshop for such bullshit "line in the sand" really pisses me off.

Users as such should really just go fuck themselves.

[LeftyMom]

60. Totally.

I say we grab a beer or three and go find a non flamebait thread. What say you, my fellow dog-worshiping suppressor of american youth? ;)

[Joe the Revelator]

42. Why are you defending Vick?

I mean, there are a number of better ways to get Jena on the map then to defend a disgusting man who preyed on innocents who looked to him for their care.

[Tim4319]

48. As I stated before, I am not defending Vick,

I am trying to bring more attention to the "Jena Six". I stated that I do not condone dog fighting. I do not condone killing of any living creature. I also do not condone the violations of human rights. I would just like to see this get some more press, especially since Vick has copped a plea, and decided to fess up to what ever his participation was in the who "Bad Newz Kennel" operation.

[Joe the Revelator]

53. Then why not make a thread about the "Jena 6"?

Why try to tie Vick into it, unless you wanted to defend him?

[Tim4319]

59. You, it a little bit of two things went into this thread I started.

I did post a thread, a while back about the Jena Six. It got looked at by about two or three Du'ers. On top of that, reading, listening and seeing how Vick is constantly getting shoved in our faces, I got frustrated and sat down and started this post. Plus, when I mention the Jena Six to people, they look at me as if I had three heads on my shoulders. Like I said, I got frustrated and wrote this post. Believe me, this is not the first time I stood on my soapbox and made a statement like this one. I just want more people to know about it.

[Joe the Revelator]

67. Next time...

...you should try to educate people on issues that are meaningful to you, instead of appearing to defend a man who is indefensible.

[Tim4319]

69. I tried that once before, and it felt like I wasn't getting anywhere

Like I said, frustration set in and I just started writing this. Plus, I live in Atlanta, however, I am from New Jersey and I am a Philadelphia Eagles fan. Honestly, I am not a Falcons fan, I have no stake in the Falcons, I could pretty much careless about the Falcons. I was just a little frustrated.

[petersjo02]

71. Write a good, concise post about Jena

Include background material, current status, and how DUers can help, and I promise I'll read it and will kick and recommend it. Comments regarding Vick have no place in such a post, however. No straw men allowed.

[petersjo02]

64. Bingo

Hear that, OP?

[JitterbugPerfume]

44. some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time

and care deeply about a variety of issues

[Tim4319]

52. I didn't say you couldn't do that.

But, if I put the topic of discussion on a scale, one side Vick the other side Jena, it wouldn't even be close to balancing out. A lot of people never even heard of the "Jena Six", and I think more people should know that Jim Crow is still alive and well.

[JitterbugPerfume]

54. I agree

Jim Crow is alive and well, and it is a great sourse of shame

[CitizenLeft]

87. I didn't mean to just jump on you...

(see my post below)

But it seems that every single thread about Vick includes a number of posts condemning people who care about it because they're not also screaming about some other equally important - or GREATER - issue in the same thread. It's really insulting and I'm sick of it. After weeks of this, I'm getting really defensive about it, LOL.

The Jena 6 is most definitely an important story and underlines what's still ugly about America. But what Vick did is ugly too. The issues are not comparable.

[frogcycle]

50. I just read the article this morning

I could not believe it. It is like a time warp. And the quote where the town official says outsiders should stay away and let them "sort it out themselves" is just plain chilling.
I wonder if his robe and hood are cleaned and pressed?

Damn, where are Bobby and Martin?

I was glad to see Al Sharpton is engaged. I don't think he'll let it rest. But the more LTTE the better!


Edit: on reading some of the thread I see more objection to your style of introducing the topic and railing against Vick than any paying attention to the case.

It is a chilling case and deserves attention. The irony of its not getting attention while Vick and yes, Lindsey Lohan do is not lost on me, but let this be a lesson in how to win sympathy for an issue (which definitely DESERVES sympathy). Don't muddy the water by coming across as superior. It doesn't work here. I know, I tried it once. Got handed my head.

To all: the case DOES deserve attention. Try to wipe the slate clean and look at it. It sounds like the damned church burning and freedom-rider killing era all over again.

[Tim4319]

68. Thank you so much for taking the time to look into it.

I would just like to see some discussion about it. I was born in 1972, so many of the issues from just a decade before I was born seem to re-invent itself. The only person that seems to be missing is Bull Connor!

[frogcycle]

74. I read it in the current Newsweek (Aug27)

this morning, before seeing your post. For what it is worth, that is MSM coverage. Why they put it under "culture" is beyond me, but at least they ran it - three full pages. It reads like "Mississippi Burning."

I was a teenager at the time of the march to Selma, Lester Maddox, George Wallace, etc. I was working in DC when MLK was killed - had to leave work early and walk to Va as traffic was at a standstill with fires breaking out all around.

I knew there were plenty of "closet racists" still around and areas where they could get away with being overt - but this town is an eye-opener. The barber won't cut black's hair - not because he objects, but "some of the white customers" wouldn't want him using the same equipment on them...

I wonder how they can stand to use a public restroom? And I guess they carry bottled water with them.

[Madspirit]

51. I Don't Support The Death Penalty

...but if a truck ran over Vick and killed him dead dead dead dead...I would throw a HUGE party.

...and I have room in my heart to be outraged about many things but thank-you very much for your concern that my outrage is not directed correctly. I don't find human life any more valuable than animal life. In fact...shhh...guess what. We ARE animals...just not very nice ones.

He's a sadistic sociopathic son of a demon and I hope he dies. Yup, anti-death penalty. My "hope" carries NO weight. I hate him more than I hate Bush. I hate him more than I hate just about anyone. If he was dying of thirst I would not give him water. I would dump it on him and tell him to walk across the electric grid. Oh wait, that's what HE did to dogs.

Why do you juxtapose things that are not juxtaposable. It's stupid.

Lee

[Skip Intro]

70. The either/or premise is, if you'll excuse me, bullshit.

Vick should get whatever he can for such a heinous crime. That is true, and demanded by justice, independent of any other crime.

I'm a big anti-death penalty person, but people like this guy, VICK, make me question that belief.

[WildEyedLiberal]

72. Why would PETA intervene in Jean, LA? It's not an animal rights case

Dude I don't even LIKE PETA but your OP makes no sense. Why are you trying to minimize Vick's barbarity in order to draw attention to this issue?

And I did read an article about the situation in Jena in Newsweek and what's going on there is outrageous. I support your efforts to bring attention to it because it is atrocious. But why compare it to Vick - just because Vick happens to be black doesn't mean the two cases have anything in common.

A better comparison would be the Duke rape case, in which the prosecutor who indicted three POOR INNOCENT rich white boys was vilified and disbarred, while this prosecutor in Louisiana is railroading six young black men - who, unlike the Duke boys, didn't even have a history of this kind of behavior - and yet where are the legions of people who railed for Nifong's resignation now? Silent, as usual.

[Beausoir]

78. Vick doesn't deserve to walk among us. He's not the only one...but he is notable.

There are many MANY filthy sub-human scumbags walking among us.

Vick was just outrageously stupid in his crimes.

The fact that he is going to be locked-up for a few months is a very good thing.

[The Straight Story]

81. Iraq is a ton worse than vick, but then we discuss that and get outraged over it as well

Issues like the one you bring up should be discussed as well, and that takes often times posting of multiple threads as we have with vick and porn :)

I don't see all the threads all the time, so it is easy to miss some really important ones.

[HardRocker05]

84. why do you have to trivialize animal cruelty to call attention to another injustice? nt

[Raine]

89. (P)eople for the (E)thical (T)reatment of (A)NIMALS!!!

Why should they get involved in other causes when they were created to protect ANIMALS as the name says. Does CORE or the NAACP or any number of organizations created for racial equality or civil rights involve themselves in animal causes? I get so tired of hearing that some organization or another should be fighting some other organization's battles along with their own! It's so arrogant to tells others their cause isn't worthy and they should be doing something else.x(

[ecstatic]

91. Where are the efforts to get that prosecutor disbarred?

:shrug: Everyone was so angry at Nifong, where is the outrage over the LA prosecutors?