Dean folks - check in here regarding 2008

[mdmc]

HELLO ALL! Peace and low stress to one and all!

Now, down to business - who do you like in 2008?
I know alot of Dean folk came to his campaign based on his opposition to the war. That is how I found Dean. I wonder how the peace wing of the Dean crowd is feeling about 2008? Kucinich? Richardson? Obama? Still holding out for Gore?

Please check in and let us know what your thinking regarding 2008.

Peace.

[peacebird]

1. I would love Gore, but have settled in on Edwards from those running.

[Sweet Pea]

3. Just a question

If you don't mind.

What is it about Edwards that makes you feel that way about his candidacy?

[peacebird]

8. I like his plan to build one America - to restore the American dream, that all have equal chances

I like his universal health care plans, his pledge to end poverty, and (as a woman especially) his determination to fight for equal pay. His call for the immediate withdrawal of 40-50 thousand troops from Iraq, with all troops out within a year. I like the fact he recognizes our school system is still unequal and that needs to be dealt with in the public school system (bush's vouchers etc just cause more inequality as the money goes to private schools at the expense of public schools), and his plans to increase teacher salaries. I really like his call for Americans to step up to the plate and tackle global warming, develop new technologies for energy and energy efficiency.

I like the fact he champions the people of America over the corporations.

[Sweet Pea]

20. So...

The $400 haircuts don't bother you? The nearly $500,000 for part-time work at the Fortress Investment Group doesn't bother you? The $800,000 from Rupert Murdoch’s HarperCollins for a coffee-table book when he hit other candidates for taking donations from Murdoch’s media holdings doesn't bother you? His $25 million dollar house doesn't bother you? When he would have $16 million — half of his net worth — invested in Fortress while it was foreclosing on a couple dozen homes in New Orleans when he attacked subprime lenders for foreclosing on victims of Hurricane Katrina doesn't bother you?

You have a strange belief in why he believes he wants to end poverty when he really, truly, honestly cares not a whit for poor people. All he does is talk a good game and you have been hoodwinked.

Hillary is my gal.

[bluethruandthru]

33. Why should how much someone spends on a house or a haircut bother someone?

And why does spending alot on a house or a haircut make someone unworthy to be president? Can only poor people speak about poverty..or want to help those who are poor? I guess the fact that Hillary is nearly destitute makes her much more worthy of the presidency, right? I'll bet she doesn't spend more than $20 on a haircut, right?

This is the kind of crap the repukes focus on.

[Sweet Pea]

34. Image over substance

Walking the walk. Talking the talk. There is *absolutely* no reason why Edwards needs to spend that much on a haircut. How many of those families could have benefited with what it cost for just *one* haircut? I pay $12 for a cut and look just as good as the former senator from NC.

Judgment (poor). Priorities (skewed). Perception is reality to most of the people out there in the country.

Image over substance.

Again, if you don't care about those sorts of things, then Edwards is the candidate for you. I prefer someone who's judgment and priorities are more in line with what they are for.

And trashing Hillary is not a good argument in support of Edwards.

[bluethruandthru]

37. I'm not trashing Hillary.

I'm just wondering why no one seems to know or care how much Hillary or Obama or Dodd or Romney or anyone else spends on a haircut. How much are the other candidates houses worth? How much is the net worth of the other candidates. The others have talked about helping the poor...but are they not "walking the walk" because they spend alot on a suit or a meal or a car?

By your logic, John Edwards should have gotten a $12 haircut and give the $388 to a poor family. I don't understand why every nickel John Edwards has and spends is scrutinized...but no one cares how much money the other candidates (both Repugs and Dems) have or spend. I'd be willing to bet there are a few with more money than Edwards...and some may even spend their money in ways that you would label "bad".

[mdmc]

39. Same thing can be said of your girl

her haircuts cost just as much...

[NoPasaran]

2. Hillary!

[mdmc]

6. for true?

In the Hudson Valley all the big wigs that supported Dean ("the Dean got the war right and has inspired democrats to get involved crowd") is lockstep behind Hillary. So are the Leiberman supporters. Most seem resigned to it. For the record, I think she will be the next president.

I really can't stand the thought of her winning. I am sure I would feel a shameful joy if she was defeated. Win, lose, or draw, we end up with a neo-con. At least Hillary is our neo-con.

Peace and low stress to you my friend. I think your candidate will be in the White House in 2009.

[NoPasaran]

10. Yeah, believe it or not

After Dean 2004, it's hard to get really excited about any of the candidates this year. So I have decided to go with the one I think is best suited to withstand the RW noise machine and crush Rush Limbaugh's windpipe with an iron boot.

Meanwhile locally we have a hot race developing for tax assessor-collector plus the chance to defeat Boxturtle Cornyn.

[mdmc]

24. It must be nice to support a winner

HRC is goin places my friend!
Peace and low stress to you and yours. :hi:

[NoPasaran]

31. Well, nobody's a winner until the votes are counted!

As we found out in '04!

[mdmc]

38. true enough my friend

But I do think the smart money is on HRC. Peace and low stress

[Cha]

28. I will have a riotous JOY

when she is defeated in the primary!

[Bluebear]

4. Hoping for Gore, looking at Kucinich, Edwards, & Obama

[Upfront]

18. Same as Bluebear.

Gore is still my hope.

[KharmaTrain]

5. All Politics Is Local

I've got several good Congressional races starting to develop in my area...far more interesting and of bigger import than the Democratic Presidential beauty pagent going on now. Focusing on just the top of the ticket and not at the lower races is what hurt Democrats is the 90s.

I was an early supporter of Governor Dean in '04 and am very happy with the work he's done at the DNC...where his influence has been far greater than anyone expected and has helped expand the Democratic party to areas long neglected.

Now I see John Edwards name was omitted...many people I know who are supporting a candidate like John over any of the other. Me, I remain blissfully uncommitted.

[mdmc]

7. I really dig on Edward's poverty schtick

And perhaps Edwards and Richardson could bring us the biggest Congressional gains... While I am more Kucinich at this point, I do have Edwards on my radar.

[KharmaTrain]

11. Richardson Blew It On Supporting A Flat Tax

You could have heard the boos miles away at YKos when he brought that out. I think Bill would be a great Secretary of State but his economics don't quite jive with what I would prefer. Dennis...well others have stated his case better than I can, pro and con. I support many of his positions, but I don't see how he makes them happen. How do we say, he doesn't seem to play well with others...and this is gonna be a skill very much needed of the next President. I'm glad he's there to keep the debates "honest".

Truth be known, he can support virutally any Democrat the primary voters decide to promote, but I can't say I'm excited about any one in specific. Why I am blissfully uncommitted. In the meantime I'm busy on the local level getting ready for some interesting and exciting races for next year...and where my shoeleather and money will make a bigger impact.

Cheers...

[Bluebear]

12. Richardson's "being gay is a choice" put him off my dance card.

If he meant it, he is unenlightened. If he didn't, he's remarkably slow on his feet and would get eaten alive during a debate.

[Justyce]

9. Edwards.

Though I haven't given up on getting Dean someday!

I like Edwards' stance on free trade, labor, helping the poor and middle class, etc. etc. I also think he would have the best chance in the general election.

[demnan]

13. Kucinich

because he's the only one really doing something now that I like. He'd make a terrific President.

[DFW]

14. I was a Dean supporter in 2002

To most of the country, back then, he was Howard Who?

Now? Unless Hillary implodes and Al Gore steps in, I remain
undecided, but can live with most of the likely choices.
Calling Hillary a neo-con is like calling BUsh a closet
liberal. The only thing he wants to liberalize is gun control
laws. If that makes him a liberal, then I must be using a
different political dictionary. She is not my first choice,
but I'll take her any day over the right-wing alternative.
Romney, Giuliani, Thompson? If you think it makes no difference
at all whether one of them three or a Democrat (even Hillary) picks
the next Supreme Court Justice(s), just remember someone told you so
when they start coming to take you away ha ha.

[JNelson6563]

15. Fellow Deanie holding out for Gore here!

Not in any particular camp at this point as I await word from President Gore.

No matter what I'm behind whoever the nominee is come November 08. :toast:

Julie

[nevergiveup]

16. Totally Obama at this point

I will not vote for any candidate in the primary who initially supported this insane war. Deans honesty about the war was what attracted me to him in 2003 and my priorities have not changed. I believe Obama has tons of potential to be a great leader and I will continue to support him even though he is up against a very powerful Democratic establishment.

[KoKo]

17. Holding out for Gore...n/t

[Larkspur]

23. Me too!

I'm not impressed with any of the announced Dem Prez candidates, but if the primary were today, I'd vote for Edwards.

I will not support Hillary at all until she publicly announces her opposition to the outsourcing of jobs to India and elsewhere and will tax companies that do outsource.

[JVS]

19. I think these candidates shouldn't have voted for IWR.

Slight partial credit to Edwards for admitting he had been wrong. I'm not a big fan of Obama, but his hands are cleanest (of the "contenders" that is).

[havocmom]

21. Edwards - so long as he gets a good policy brain in for Sec of State

My first choice would be Dr. Dean, though. Too bad he is not in there. He would have taken a LOT of votes in my rural area, and probably make a fine showing across the board. The palette we have to paint from looks very bland and pale in comparison to the good doctor. ::sigh::

[ceile]

22. I would love for Gore to run.

But I don't think that is going to happen, so it's Richardson or Edwards for me.

[Skidmore]

25. Obama, followed by Kucinich, and then none of the rest of them.

[WI_DEM]

26. Haven't decided as yet. If Gore runs, yes, but I don't think he will.

If not it's probably between Edwards and Obama.

[Cha]

27. I'm just a rudderless

Deaniac! Just cruisin' bidin' my time waiting for someone to inspire me like ol Dean does!

Yeah, you know it was his common sense opposition to the bombing of Iraq.

Thanks for this thread, mdmc!~

[LSK]

29. Edwards but would switch to Gore

[frustrated_lefty]

30. Gore, Kucinich (n/t)

[porphyrian]

36. Me too.

Edwards and Obama would be better than a republicunt, but I'm not at all happy with some of their positions.

[PassingFair]

32. Laying back for Gore as well.

Will vote for the nominee.

Will NOT pound the pavement for Clinton.

[cgrindley]

35. Hillary

It's a natural choice. I can't support Edwards considering what he and that assmunch Kerry managed to... eg lose to Bush... after Dean had to drop out last time. I do want Obama or Dodd as Hillary's running mate, though.