There Will Come A Point: They will Start Exterminating Poor People

[Wiley50]

and telling the public that they're being humane.

" It's for their own good, they're just not able to make it"

It's coming.

It's the ultimate cumulation of a Capitalist Society

We know what needs to happen
But the Pigs have Layers and layers of Security
We'll never get to them
It's wrong, but it's true

Just remember

I told you so

[bobbolink]

1. "I told you so" Me, too. And can you imagine the uproar at DU when it happens?

shhhhh, be vewy vewy quiet.....

[Wiley50]

5. You and Me, Bobbolink n/t

[msongs]

2. cold? small pox infected blanket. hungry? soylent green nt

[Liberal In Texas]

41. Soylent Green is people! n/t

[C_U_L8R]

3. They will prey upon the weakest in society

children, immigrants, elderly, homeless

that's what republicans always do.

[bobbolink]

6. Because "liberals" allow it

:mad:

[ThomCat]

57. Because "centrists" and "realists" and "moderates" allow it.

And, you're right, they'll insist that they are good liberals while it's happening.

[bobbolink]

102. You're right. That bit of clarification.

HOWEVER.... I don't see most "radicals" caring much, either. Poverty isn't "sexy"--- it isn't "in".

People want to belong, and being active in poverty issues doesn't garner that "belonging".... that comes only with peace rallies, etc. It never occurs to most, I guess, that we poor folk could benefit from a few rallies for housing, justice, etc., ourselves.

We're just not thought of much.

[Raster]

52. They already are. Each cut in services, each bankruptcy bill, each "no child left behind",

each "new Medicare bill"...they are all designed to prey on the weakest, the poorest, the least fortunate. They already are, my friend.

Wake up America!:kick:

[tbyg52]

75. They already are

and using them to foment useful discord while they do it.

[bobbolink]

4. to be honest... for some poor people, "extermination" would be preferable...

to having to kill themselves, which is what is happening now.

Yes, this is a great nation.

:puke:

[Zensea]

7. Culmination not cumulation

just to be a grammar fiend.

By the way, poor people have been "exterminated" for a long time and it happened long before capitalism existed also.

As for your actual thesis, of actual extermination "for their own good," it's not going to happen.
If extermination happens it will be disguised, it will not be that blatant.
Even the Nazis didn't try to say it was for "their own good" in reference to the Jews.

[bobbolink]

11. Thanks, that makes us poor folk feel ever so warm and fuzzy.

:crazy:

[Wiley50]

14. So I was Emotional and forgot to spellcheck, So What? n/t

[Zensea]

21. I'm just trying to be helpful on that point

hey, I said I was being a grammar fiend!
I didn't think you had not spell checked, a spell check would not have caught it, since cumulation is a word.
I thought you were misusing the word since cumulation doesn't mean what it looks like your intended meaning is.

[Wiley50]

27. I'm a spelling Nazi too

What gets me is using effect instead of affect

But this time I was just about to pop

And Did

[VLC]

37. So it affects the meaning.

[Adsos Letter]

120. Not to the Jews, perhaps...

...but their eugenics program (thankyou, American intellectuals) certainly claimed it was best for society and the individuals. That much was pretty out in the open. And, in a sense, the "story" that Jews were being shipped off to farm the new Lebensraum of the East was described as being in their best interest, though the tracks ended at labor and extermination camps.

[Breeze54]

8. Not on my watch!!!!

:crazy:

[Mojambo]

9. And the DLC will take a "centrist" position on the issue. n/t

[bobbolink]

12. You got that right! And the rest of the Dems will yawn and step over the bodies

to get to their lobbyist $$$$$

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. Uncontrolled capitalism is nothing but feudalism. nt

[mod mom]

13. one word-Katrina. :(

[rudy23]

17. They're exterminating the poor AND middle class in Katrina

Don't think they're going to stop at the poor.

One of the best kept secrets in the country is how our government is treating the working middle class families who suffered from Katrina

[Raster]

56. They left people to die. Plain and simple. It was blamed, as always,

on someone else's incompetence. The simple fact of the matter is that poor people, primarily of color were deemed expendable. In a (p)Residency filled with shameful acts, this was the worst. The bush* government left people to die. "Heck-of-a job Brownie!"

Wake up America!:kick:

[Wiley50]

19. That says it all, Mod Mom n/t

[AnnieBW]

54. Yeah, they made a pretty good start of it there

n/t

[Virginia Dare]

84. Sadly, you are right on the mark...n/t

[Desertrose]

93. You took the words right outta my mouth, mod mom.

:cry:

DR

[barbtries]

115. yep

i call it genocide.

[iamjoy]

15. Oh, They Will Not!

I think it's a little extreme to suggest that "they" will begin exterminating poor people through some deliberate plan.

No, I think what we will see is the government simply not helping people. "If they aren't tough enough to make it on their own, too bad." They'll be winnowed out. The government response to Katrina will seem good and helpful compared to what's going to come. Fatal accidents like the one at the Sago mine will be commonplace (and hit other industries) as the government does not devote any resources to enforcing workplace safety standards. Speaking of enforcing safety standards (or not enforcing) expect to see that happen with food and other consumer products, too.

Healthcare - if you can't afford it, don't look to the government to provide it or help you get it.

And if the energy crisis intensifies, all but the wealthy will have a very hard time getting from place to place and being able to afford ample food.

Yes, things will go back to the way they were a hundred or so years ago - you know "the good ol' days"

[mudesi]

20. What do you mean what you "will" see?

The government already doesn't care.

[bobbolink]

22. You're so certain of that?

Not too long ago, most of us believed the US would never invade a sovereign nation.

Not too long ago, most of us believed the US would never ignore a drowning city.

Not too long ago, most of us believed the US would always protect voting.

The CABAL has come up with some ingenious ways of doing things below the radar.

"Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

[Zensea]

30. The US didn't do any of those things

parts of the US did. The CABAL, as you put it.
There are a lot of other parts of the US though which have power if they use it.
The problem is they haven't been using it.

I can't predict the future, but I doubt that any open extermination will happen because it would rouse the sleeping beast that consists of the other parts of the US.

Doing things below the radar is also an entirely different proposition than what is being claimed in the original post.

[bobbolink]

38. Riiight. They didn't happen because it was only part of the US.

????????

"I can't predict the future, but I doubt that any open extermination will happen because it would rouse the sleeping beast that consists of the other parts of the US."

Right. Like the outrage that happened when Katrina people starting killing themselves.

LIke all the support for The Housing Trust Fund.

Yanno, we can argue semantics all day, but that doesn't help poor folk at all. WE KNOW we are alone, and that's scary. Understanding how people feel, rather than pooh-poohing it, would go far to preclude the kind of scenario the OP has suggested.

Or.... you can remain detached and cynical and see us as, well, as whatever you see us as.


edited to add: The Good Germans also didn't think anything like that would ever happen.

[Zensea]

44. I was poor for 25 years so I know how it feels

And when I was 40, the first 3 years I was in New York City (from 1996-98) I averaged an income of $7500 a year and almost became homeless (I lived for 3 years in one of those one room places where you share the kitchen and the bathroom with whomever else happens to live there, crack dealers, old retired women who are living on Social Security and slowly losing their minds,as example). I am lucky I survived.
I'm doing better now, but I'll be lucky if I get out of debt before I retire.
I understand plenty.
Doesn't mean I'm going to agree with the point being made though which I consider to be hyperbole and paranoia and to not understand the other forces in the world.

I don't appreciate being called a Good German either, which is essentially what you are doing.
I'll avoid returning the insult on the personal level although I can think of a few.

[bobbolink]

47. Talk about paranoid. Nobody called you a "good German"

I was thinking about that today, how Good Germans let so much happen under their noses.

It's happening here now, and specifically about poverty.

But, if I hit a nerve, maybe it fits.

"I'll avoid returning the insult on the personal level although I can think of a few."

It's OK to call me and the OP paranoid, tho, right?

[Zensea]

53. The innunendo is clear enough

quote --
"The Good Germans also didn't think anything like that would ever happen."
If there is an also there must be someone the Good Germans are being equated with.
Since the post was in response to me, thinking that someone would be me is not much of a stretch, especially when you also make the comment directed to me about allegedly being detached and cynical.
Claiming otherwise on your part is disingenuous.


The only nerve you hit is the nerve that involves not liking it when someone makes assumptions about who they are dealing with that have little basis in fact & the irritation I have with people who think that because others don't agree with their pet paranoias and fear-mongering that these others are somehow detached, cynical, naive, blind or whatever other descriptive you wish to use. That is, when they essentially act as if the person who doesn't agree with them must have no comprehension or understanding about what is going on. You did that by assuming I had no idea what it is like to be poor either through empathy or through personal experience.

I'm quite familiar with the brand of leftist that you appear to be.
I happen to be a different variety of leftist.
I'm probably not quite as wild as I used to be, age sometimes slows you down, but I don't think my views on things have changed much since I was 18 and a conscientious objector at the end of the Vietnam war.

[bicentennial_baby]

55. "Hit a nerve" is one of her common lines...

You're not alone :P

[Wiley50]

62. What are you, a dentist? n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. And only a part of the German people ran Treblinka and Auschwitz.

Doesn't make much of a difference to the 12 million dead.

There will be no 'open extermination' - no more than there was in Nazi Germany. But a bare modicum of secrecy will allow a lot of people to not see a lot of shit.

[RaleighNCDUer]

50. Think so?

At what point would the rounding up of all the homeless in your city start to bother you? Seriously, would you even notice? Even if you were to see two cops manhandling some homeless guy into the back of their squad car, is that something that would arouse suspicion?

Then, when somebody notices they're all gone, you hear the explanation that they were taken to a rehabilitation camp where they'll get AA & NA counseling, they can dry out, do some productive work... You might have some suspicions, but without any proof how can you know that the camps are not exactly what they say?

[Zensea]

60. Open vs. under the radar

You are describing under the radar tactics.
I already said I thought things could happen under the radar.
I just happen to disagree that there could be open extermination in the terms of the original post --
"for their own good."
Also as I wrote in my original comment, extermination of the poor has been happening since before history was written. There's nothing new about it.
Doesn't make it right, but does mean that it seems to be part of human existence.

[Wiley50]

64. Since it's my OP, I'm here to defend it

Things have a tendancy to creep out from "under the radar"

and when that happens
someone says something to "sweep it back under the rug"

Like, "For their own good"

Look. i grok that you have known poverty before.
I'm fighting no one over that

My OP was just the realization
that "Poor" is the new "Jew" in this society

and we need to understand that
and take appropriate measures

[Zensea]

67. The way you phrase it here is better

Do I read this correctly?
When you made your first post something had just hit you?
That's kind of the way it sounds.
The way you've phrased it now sounds clearer and more to the point, not quite as "charged" as before and thus more accurate.

[Usrename]

63. Why would this sleeping beast wake up?

As long as the legal obstacles are cleared away first, then exterminating the poor folk will be perfectly fine and ignored.

Just like all the other stuff that used to be illegal but is totally acceptable now. Like blowing off a Congressional subpoena.

That other group that you are counting on to save us all, they are law abiding people, ya know? You think that one of these days they will just wake up and decide all at once to all be criminals and go on a rampage? Of course they won't. They will continue to obey the laws, only the laws will make in a crime to resist the removal of poor folks from a community.

You think I'm crazy? It's happening already in Orlando, FL. Huge legal battles over making it illegal to give away free food. Get it? A crime to give away free food.

Maybe one day you will be roused from your daydreams.

[Wiley50]

65. Wow! Do you have a Point? n/t

[Usrename]

74. Sure, there is a point.

What action is going to take place that will cause all these heros to wake up and save the world?

It sounds like a nice fairy-tale, maybe. But who are these people, if they really exist?

[Zensea]

66. Sheesh

What is this insistence with saying people who disagree with "you" are daydreaming?
You just did it, others have done it, it seems to be a common tactic.
Next someone will probably say I'm one of the sheeple.
Sheesh.
I'm not in any damned daydream.
I almost starved to death and was almost homeless a few years ago as I wrote in another post.
I live in New York City and was here on September 11.
I've been awake for a long time.
Just because I'm not a pessimist and actually have some faith in the humanity and intelligence of the people in the world (which is a good thing for someone who believes in democracy to have, lack of such faith is a good thing for someone who believes in dicatorship to have) does not mean I'm daydreaming.

[Usrename]

73. You're the one who thinks that people are asleep.

"I can't predict the future, but I doubt that any open extermination will happen because it would rouse the sleeping beast that consists of the other parts of the US."

Who are these people that you think are going to wake up someday and save you?

And, of course, I disagree with what you are saying, and I don't think it has much to do with being a pessimist. The reality of the human condition is that long, dark periods exist in our history. Many of us are actually aware of out headlong plunge into that kind of darkness. One that will last a long time.

Who are the folks that you are so sure will save everyone? Why are they still asleep, for crying out loud?

[Zensea]

79. What's that got to do with anything?

I didn't write that I didn't think that there are people who are "asleep."
I was responding to the specific tendency here at DU to accuse people of being asleep connected to when they disagree with you instead of acknowledging that they are awake but just have come to different conclusions.
You're doing the same thing by your comment "many of us are actually aware..." followed by what is essentially prophecy, particularly the part about it lasting for a long time. The thing about prophecy is it might be true, it might not.
I know long dark periods exist in our history, there is a lot of darkness going on right now, but there is also a lot of light going on right now. Same thing was the case in history. Light and dark together. Life and death together. That's the condition of existence.

I'm not looking for anyone to wake up and save me. That's a misreading of what I'm writing. I'm saying that open extermination is unlikely to happen because it would wake people up if it did.This idea of someone being saved was not my point, but the idea that something is unlikely to happen because there would be a resistance or a counter response to it -- the response of people against such a thing.

But to use the term "save" in response -- As for who are the folks that will save everyone, I'm guessing they would be folks just like you and me. Where did I say I was "so sure" this would happen? That's your gloss on the subject in order to set up a straw man attack. I guess you're emphasizing the "would" part of the sentence and missing the part where I said "I doubt." That is, I didn't start the sentence by saying "I know this would not happen," I started it with "I doubt it would happen." I did that intentionally because I'm not sure of anything regarding the future. I try to avoid the kind of hubris that one gets trapped in when one tries to predict the future of social events. It's even a bit dicey doing so with things that have a factual scientific basis such as global warming; when you start doing the same thing in relation to social science there is never any certainty.

Probably the reason these people you speak of are still asleep, for crying out loud, is because the problem hasn't reached them yet. Or it could be because the problem is not really as bad as some people make it out to be with their jeremiads. This is not to say that there are not a lot of problems in the world however.

[Usrename]

99. OK.

The people that you believe might exist and might wake up are not asleep. Whatever.

[ThomCat]

58. Like "they" never tried to exterminate native americans?

Like "they" didn't round up japanese americans in concentration camps?

I think it's very likely that once big corporations can't suck any more money out of people, because those people are destitute, we will definitely start seeing "solutions" to get rid of those people.

We're already seeing it in the form of prisons. We incarcerate a far larger portion of our population than any other nation. They've turned poor people into a corporate cash cow by having the state pay them to lock people up.

If that well dries up and the state caps those payments, they'll get rid of the dangerous undesireables. It's been done before and it'll be done again.

[cui bono]

72. nevermind.

[Mend]

16. no access to health care speeds death along.

[havocmom]

18. Nah, they will just work them to death in debtors' prison sort of camps.

Ya know, the oil companies seem to be having labor problems with the Iraqi people who are somewhat annoyed at the theft of their nation's oil... I fully expect the poor debtors here to be sent there in the not-to-distant future. Many Americans will be joining the ranks of other impoverished, displaced populations.

[Bobbieo]

24. They are against birth control and abortion but for genocide -

mskes no sense at all!

[havocmom]

31. They are sadests. People have to get born so they can torture and kill them

It makes perfect sense. One just has to get over believing their lies about their 'culture of life' and that crap.

[Raksha]

23. They are already trying...remember Hurricane Katrina?

Deliberate malign neglect, and I called it GENOCIDE at the time it was happening. Haven't changed my opinion either.

[Lint Head]

25. The corporate world will say they are a drag on society as soon as they

stop profiting off of them. Poor people are dying through attrition right now in this country. No health care , they die.
No money for food, they die. Sign them up for military service, they die. Nothing has changed. When they die the funeral director
profits by disposing of the body. :dem:

[pitohui]

26. they're already doing it, they simply deny them care

when longevity stats are broken down by race and class it's a little shocking, in the 90s i saw stats saying the average life expectancy of some native americans is in their 40s, some inner city blacks had a life expectancy in their 50s, some working class males had life expectancy in their 50s

people without technology were not designed to live much beyond age 40, it doesn't matter what magic food you eat, anyway, poor people can't afford to eat $20 worth of produce every day anyhow

[Booster]

28. If you're old and the government starts handing out free flu shots,

don't get one.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

29. No Air Conditioning can be a death sentence.

Not just in the South either. If you can't afford air conditioning, and you can't pay your ridiculously high light bill, if you're real old or in bad health, you may well die of heatstroke.

Apparently before the invention of AC, thousands of people died from the heat. It's already happened with Katrina. Criminal negligence or intentional first degree homicide, take your pick. Sins of omission and sins of commission.

[Wiley50]

32. It was 110 here today and 95 here in the boat

I have a 5000btu a/c and a 20 in box fan
that runs because my ex-boss pays the electric

I'm lucky.

[bobbolink]

43. heh.. there was just a sweel "liberal" post claiming poor and homeless people had all kinds of

protections and options.

It was only animals that needed special care.

Yup, many poor people die of heatstroke, but it won't be acknowledged by a lot of DUers.

:cry:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

71. Hell, I got heat exhaustion once IN AIR CONDITIONING.

I was playing racquetball and the gym was supposedly air conditioned, but it wasn't cool by any means. I started tossing my cookies, had a splitting headache, and had to go to the emergency room and get a shot so I would stop urping and not die of dehydration.

No more racquetball after that.

[youthere]

83. Really?

Can you post a link? It's hard to believe that any DUer would post something so outrageously heinous. They honestly said ONLY animals need special care?

[Midlodemocrat]

86. Because no one did say that.

[youthere]

88. I didn't think so.

I think the words of some DU'ers are being twisted and taken out of context.

[bobbolink]

101. They said all the homeless people were adequately cared for.

:eyes:

The concern was for animals.

[Midlodemocrat]

104. That's an outright lie and you know it.

The post was just REMINDING folks that if they had outdoor pets they might want to look out for their dehydration needs.

YOU hijacked the thread with comments about (once again, :eyes: ) how no one on DU cares about the poor.

And, now since the thread is gone, so is the proof. A lot of people saw it.

Stop accusing DUers of not caring about the poor. It's getting tiresome. You have no idea what people do for the poor IRL and your judging us is sickening.

[piedmont]

105. Prove it. Give a link to it. nt

[bobbolink]

106. It was on the animal thread. Look it up.

Don't bother with compassion, there, just lock your arms across your chest and DEMAND.

Yup, that makes for peace.

It's the 'Murkin way. It's the same way we got into Iraq.

[piedmont]

114. I saw the "animal thread" already. No such sentiment was posted there.

If you make a claim, you are the one with the obligation to back it up. You're making a claim about a post on DU-- the easiest thing in the world to post evidence of-- unless it's a false claim.

[mentalsolstice]

92. Are you good at Twister? Left foot on red? Yes?

Because you are so twisting things out of context.

[youthere]

111. Like a pretzel...I believe.

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[bobbolink]

107. I would if I could, too, Wiley 50!

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[Blue_Tires]

35. 4th rec

[That Is Quite Enough]

36. But then whose shoulders and necks would they stand on?

[Fleshdancer]

39. I don't think that will happen

It just isn't cost effective and they risk losing their power because of it. I think they'll do the only thing they can think of doing - ignore the poor.


True story: I met a person who (honest to goddess) thought poor people shouldn't be allowed to procreate and that sterilizing them made sense. :scared:

[Wiley50]

45. What Gloria! They're Doing That and You think They'll just Ignore the Poor?

Sorry, but,what you said is an obvious step toward what I am saying

A hard Rain is Gonna fall

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. Just don't EVER buy food called "Soylent Green" and keep an eye on Grandma and Grandpa.

:scared:

[Bill McBlueState]

42. Isn't that what war is?

Send the poor people off to die?

[EFerrari]

46. Yes, that's what war is. n/t

[Jed Dilligan]

80. Not exactly

War is send the poor people off... to kill poor people until they get killed.

[burrowowl]

49. Corporatists already are exterminating poor people

Look at health statistics, poor living near toxic wastes, Brownsville Texas high rate of anacephalic babys, etc., etc.

[ladjf]

51. Perhaps they are already exterminating poor people.

[FloridaJudy]

59. But, but...

Then who would do all the "dirty" jobs the Repukes are too good to soil their hands with? Who would clean their McMansions, harvest their crops, pick up their trash, change their parents' diapers in the nursing home and wash their Mercedes?

Maybe they'll decide to keep a few of us poor folks around as pets or indentured servants. I'll bet they'll even feel magnanimous about it.

[tex-wyo-dem]

68. Social Darwinism...

The "conservative" faux Christans go to church, pretend to show empathy for the less fortunate, load the kids into the SUV, drive home to their 4000 sq ft house and continue their normal state of not giving a shit about their fellow man.

It's a sink or swim world to the economically privlaged...everyone else can just go to hell as far as they're concerned.

[kenny blankenship]

69. It's cheaper to get them to kill each other

[Prophet 451]

70. Don't think so

There's no need for them to take that kind of active hand in things. Just continue pushing wages ever lower, eliminating any form of social care, blocking healthcare, etc and matters will take care of themselves.

[Marr]

76. I seriously doubt it. They've worked so hard to spread poverty-- to

create a sort of permanent underclass that's too scared of missing a paycheck to ever think about making waves politically. That's their ideal society; a scared, pliable, ignorant underclass toiling to support the excesses of a small wealthy class. It's a sort of modern, state-based feudalism.

[SoCalDem]

77. No need to.. neglect kills as effectively as a bullet.. (takes a little longer..that's all) n/t

[bobbolink]

109. Neglect certainly does kill, and hurts more, too.

You're so right, although I still won't be surprised if the OP comes true. I won't be surprised if they want results sooner.

As for neglect, Elie Wiesel said it very well:

"Indifference, after all, is more dangerous than anger and hatred."

"The political prisoner in his cell, the hungry children, the homeless refugees -- not to respond to their plight, not to relieve their solitude by offering them a spark of hope is to exile them from human memory. And in denying their humanity we betray our own."

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/wiesel.htm

The speech starts down the page, after the link to listen to it.

[MadHound]

78. They already are exterminating poor people

Poverty is a very good way of "culling the herd". They don't even have to come up with an explanation, all they have to do is let poverty run its course. In addition, poverty drives people to fill the ranks of their military, do all of the low pay grunt jobs, and sacrifice their health and life on the altar of unfettered capitalism.

They've been exterminating the poor for generations now, this won't change until we elect a non-corporate, compasionate government. Meanwhile, the deaths will continue apace.

[SmokingJacket]

81. So who's going to flip burgers?

Wipe your gramma's bum?
Mop the hospital floors?
Pick lettuce?
Mow the lawn?
Hang the bras back up at Walmart?

The rich NEED the poor. The key is keeping them poor. That's what they're hard at work on.

[Virginia Dare]

85. True, I see our society moving back towards a Victorian age...

the rich, and those who serve the rich. We'll probably see a return of workhouses too.

[pitohui]

116. robots

my husband's job is working on this and sad to say his programs have taken quite a few jobs already, not that we profit from it any

the rich are looking forward to the day, which will not be long in coming, when they don't need poor people to do anything

[lonestarnot]

82. Ah breaking news alert.

The time is here.

[n2doc]

87. No need to do so

They will kill them off with neglect, poisons in the environment and inflation/starvation. No need to bloody their hands doing something direct.

Prison is already an attractive alternative for some. Heck even Michael Moore pointed out Gitmo had its benefits for its prisoners.


Slave prison labor is the present and future for the poor in this country.

[LanternWaste]

89. I doubt it...

I doubt it. I don't think "They" (whoever "they" are this year) don't have the intelligence, patience or persuasive ideas to make it anything more than a dark roomed fantasy.

Also, there's too many of "Us" (whoever "us" is this year...)

[Yavin4]

90. Then Who Will Fight Their Wars?

Need the poor to fight other nations' poor.

[slackmaster]

91. Poor people go down OK with a little Habanero pepper sauce

And buttered popcorn.

:popcorn:

[Desertrose]

94. There are many ways to eliminate people

that don't necessarily use the word "exterminate".

Its been done here in America before and will continue....

DR

[slackmaster]

95. The most common way has traditionally been war

I don't see that changing.

[Javaman]

96. Rex-84. google it. nt

[porphyrian]

97. Never say never.

Don't hold your breath, but it's too soon to give up completely.

[donsu]

98. they will work them to death

no need for extermination

[warren pease]

100. No health care, no access to vital drugs, no food stamps, no federal jobs programs...

... just war against brown people, fought by America's poor because they believed all the recruiter's bullshit and literally signed their lives away.

Take health care. Rather than conceding that "the poor are always with us," the US has actually figured out a legal, financially sound and socially acceptable system that condemns the indigent or uninsured to a squalid, painful death, untreated by a health care professional, wasting away from any of hundreds of horrid diseases.

But in sacrificing themselves on the altar of the market economy, the poor can go to their eternal rewards with the inner peace and deep contentment of knowing that their deaths served society by freeing up scarce hospital bed space needed by the wealthy.

Any bottom-line oriented society would rather keep the rich dowager consuming expensive gee-gaws, or the rapacious CEO artificially depressing wages for an entire industry, while doing its best to shorten the lives of the indigent. It's just sound fiscal policy.

Still, somebody's got to dig the ditches, wash and wax the cars, invade countries and plunder resources, pick the berries, sweep the lobby and so forth. That's why medical triage is perfect. The young and healthy will be available for the grunt work, but they won't live long enough to be a burden on society -- meaning the rich, of course. The US population should remain relatively stable, traffic won't be a problem much longer since the poor can't possibly afford anything but rusty bikes, and they'll have to live in ghettos, barrios, trailer parks and other hidden latter-day hobo camps where they're out of sight until their strong backs and weak minds are needed for a bit of yard work.

Irony aside, this country now stands for three core "values:" fuck the poor, eliminate the middle class and consolidate ever more wealth in the vaults of the rich. Anything that doesn't serve those purposes is off the agenda.

Seen through that lens, it's pretty obvious why Katrina played out as it has, why Clinton "reformed" welfare right to death, why banks are bailed out rather than consumers or former "homeowners," why war and armaments are subsidized through the tax code and why infrastructure improvements are not... Class warfare explains so much, and for some weird reason -- probably having to do with owning cops, armies and governments -- the rich always seem to win.


wp

[Midlodemocrat]

103. This has to be the most hyperbolic post I have ever seen.

Let's round up the heart patients next! My husband's healthcare costs easily exceed $250,000 a year.

What. Utter. Bullshit. :puke:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

108. Ummmm, No. There Won't. n/t

[Cobalt-60]

110. I'm sure they'll try it

Indeed i think they already are.
They've allowed their Chinese playmates to poison lower tier food items.
But if they try for mass extermination, let me assure you that none of them from Murdoch to Cheney are out of reach.
They've got to emerge from their holes to lord it over their conquests.
When they do, they'll be exterminated.

[Swamp Rat]

112. Start?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

119. You got that right Swamp Rat. They're still killing Katrina victims. n/t

[Vinca]

113. They're going after the fat people, too, and if you're poor and fat

you'll be headed to the pit twice as fast.

[bobthedrummer]

117. It's been going on for awhile, a lot of the "policies" and "programs"

originated in Wisconsin, especially with the Tommy Thompson "privatization" gang.

"'Neoconservatism' and how Wisconsinites worked alliances" (posted 8-16-2007, from an interesting parent thread)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x21683#21874

[a kennedy]

118. I know......

d*mn. I'm just sick of what's going to happen just because the poor/middle class don't have the clout to make things happen. What a sad, sad day in this country. :patriot:

[Adsos Letter]

121. I suspect that it is more likely...

...that a time will come when illegal immigrants (from wherever) will be pushed out of the country because of increasing punishments on employers. In an economy in which a large vacuum of low skilled, low paid jobs are created poor citizens will be under increasing pressure to fill these positions; a permanent, legal, poverty-wage working class, with no social safety-net (or, what remnants do exist, will be in the hands of "Faith-Based" organizations).

Think Upton Sinclair, writ large...

[bobthedrummer]

122. .