Georgie loves to compare himself to Winnie; why not! They both are for terrorism.

[LynnTheDem]

And for using lies to commit terrorism.

"It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed."
-Winston Churchill
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill

[Bronyraurus]

1. I disagree

It seems as if Churchill is saying that this policy should be reviewed as in looked closer at and possibly stopped.

[jannyk]

2. Maybe if you read the full quote.....

you'd realize it was stating the opposite of your accusation. Although, by the way it is punctuated, its meaning is clear with just the sentence you posted if one knows the context.
This speech was made after the bombing/firestorm of Dresden at the tail end of the war. Although London had been destroyed by German bombs and rockets for most of the '39-'45 war and thousands of civilian lives lost, the allies had not before targeted German cities.

The bombing and subsequent firestorm caused Churchill to make the following speech:

<<It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed. Otherwise we shall come into control of an utterly ruined land… The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing. I am of the opinion that military objectives must henceforward be more strictly studied in our own interests than that of the enemy.
The Foreign Secretary has spoken to me on this subject, and I feel the need for more precise concentration upon military objectives such as oil and communications behind the immediate battle-zone, rather than on mere acts of terror and wanton destruction, however impressive.>>

Churchill was no angel, but George Bush is not fit to empty his pisspot!


/typo

[LynnTheDem]

4. Hmmm...ok I see what you mean. And of course george disagrees w Winnie's

happiness to "gas uncivilized tribes".

When it comes to racism, Winnie beats George there, too.

So you've convinced me.

They are/were both PsOS.

[jannyk]

5. Churchill was....

born in 1874 for christ's sake! That's 132 years ago, everyone was racist and sexist and every other 'ist available.

If it wasn't for Churchill, I'd be speaking german and flting a swastica instead of a Union Jack. So unless you know more about my history than I do, pleae stop mis-quoting and disparaging Churchill. I actually find it offensive.

<<Churchill was one of the most important leaders in modern British and world history. He won the 1953 Nobel Prize in Literature for his many books on English and world history. Sir Winston Churchill was voted the greatest-ever Briton in the 2002 BBC poll>>

[LynnTheDem]

6. You like freedom?

Then don't you dare tell me to "stop" anything. And if you don't like that "misquote", you should revise his quote; he did in fact say it.

I in fact misinterpreted it.

But don't you even try to tell me to "stop" my opnions of anything.

You find my opinion offensive?

Then don't read or respond to my posts.

Meanwhile, I will retain my low opinion of Winston Churchill, and you of course are welcome to your high opinion of him.

[TahitiNut]

7. "On the road again..."

:rofl:

[LynnTheDem]

8. Oh bloody 'ell!

I'll have that song running thru my head all day now!

Why I oughta...!

[TahitiNut]

9. A Willie Nelson earworm is almost indestructible in Texas.

:evilgrin:

In other parts of the country, I'd use "Stop! In The Name of Love ..."

:silly:

[LynnTheDem]

12. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!

Just take me now, Lord!


You have a vicious streak in you, TahitiNut!

:D

[Bronyraurus]

10. I think

that you're the only person I've ever seen argue that Churchill was anything less than a capital "g" Great man.

[LynnTheDem]

11. Really?

A "great man" who in 1910 as Home Secretary advocated sterilizing roughly 100,000 "mental degenerates" and dispatching several thousand others to state-run labor camps to "save the British race from inevitable decline as its inferior members bred".

"I am strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes,"

Saddam Hussen agreed with this "great man".

"I am quite satisfied with my views on India, and I don't want them disturbed by any bloody Indians."

Yes I can definitely see why George W. bUsh & the neocons worship Churchill.

The "great man" on 'collateral damage';

"Now everyone's at it. It's simply a question of fashion - similar to that of whether short or long dresses are in."

Nice.

The Spectator newspaper said of Churchill upon his appointment as First Lord of the Admiralty in 1911: "We cannot detect in his career any principles or even any constant outlook upon public affairs; his ear is always to the ground; he is the true demagogue. . . ."

"Winston has no principles."
-English classical liberal John Morley

One man who thought Churchill a "great man" was his good friend "Uncle Joe" Stalin. Whatever happened to the Crusader sword Churchill presented to "Uncle Joe" in 1943?

"It is reasonably well-known today that Churchill was often ill-informed, that his claims about German strength were exaggerated and his prescriptions impractical, that his emphasis on air power was misplaced.
-Churchill sympathizer & fan, Gordon Craig

Rethinking Churchill
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill1.html

Was Winston Churchill a war criminal?
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1299122002

Churchill in 'war crimes' row
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2494747.stm

Man of the Century
Winston Churchill and His Legend Since 1945

Man of the Century is the often surprising story of how Winston Churchill, in the last years of his life, carefully crafted his reputation for posterity, and it reveals him as the twentieth century's pioneering, and perhaps most gifted, "spin doctor."
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cup/catalog/data/023113/0231131062.HTM

Although the importance of Churchill's role in World War II was undeniable, he had many enemies in his own country. He expressed contempt for a number of popular ideas, in particular public health care and better education for the majority of the population, and produced much dissatisfaction amongst the population, particularly those who had fought in the war. Immediately following the close of the war in Europe, Churchill was heavily defeated in the 1945 election by Clement Attlee and the Labour Party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Churchill

"When all is said and done, Winston Churchill was a man of blood and a politico without principle, whose apotheosis serves to corrupt every standard of honesty and morality in politics and history."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/raico-churchill5.html

"we forget that Churchill's now titanic standing in 20th century history has a complicated history all its own. His reputation has been itself a kind of battleground; generations of historians, politicians and critics have contested his actions and dissected his words.

Though he had held almost every portfolio outside Britain's highest office -- 1st lord of the admiralty (secretary of the navy), home secretary, chancellor of exchequer -- he had a long list of screw-ups on his résumé. Perhaps the most notorious of these were the Gallipoli landings, which he planned. The operation was a fiasco, and to this day is still remembered as one of the great failures of World War I.

For A.J.P Taylor -- a notoriously contrarian historian of leftist tendencies -- Churchill was nothing less than the "savior of his country." But in recent years there has been much debate about this, his one seemingly unassailable achievement.

As many want to tear him down as want to praise him.
http://archive.salon.com/books/feature/2001/11/07/churchill/print.html

"I do not care so much for the principles I advocate as for the impression which my words produce and the reputation they give me."
-Winston "great man" Churchill
Clive Ponting, Churchill (London: Sinclair-Stevenson, 1994), p. 32.

[Bronyraurus]

14. Turds in the punch bowl

He was indeed a great man. Ask anyone who, say, didn't want to live under Nazi rule. Personal foibles and mistakes don't diminish Churchill's achievements during WWII or his very lonely denunciation of the Nazis during the thirties.

So pull that turd out of the punch bowl and join us in a Hip, Hip, Hooray! for Winston.

[spoony]

13. You're even indignant in your mistakes.

Lol.

[pnorman]

3. Winnie The Pooh, perhaps?

n/t

pnorman

[bananarepublican]

15. 'Turd blossum'... 'flaming urds' Bush seems to have a faecal matter fixation! n/t