can hiLLary supporters defend what she just said

[sniffa]

re: iraq?

i mean, they were great, generaL, descriptions of the 3 points in her 3 point pLan, but do you reaLLy support that? even in such generaLized, non-committaL terms?

[jgraz]

1. Yeah, I was really pissed off when she said that one thing about the stuff

Hey sniffa, could you vague that up for me a bit? :P

[CTyankee]

2. Please, what is her 3 point plan? n/t

[bicentennial_baby]

3. Ok...the first two:

1) Get out of Iraq better than we got in...

2) Put pressure on the Iraqi Gov't to do better...

3) We don't know, we're out on the porch and the closed captioning was funky. And, a train was going by. :shrug:

[jgraz]

4. I dunno -- that last one doesn't seem very well thought out

:P

[sam sarrha]

8. Iraqi Government is Not Functional and disintegrating into Chaos as i type

[leftchick]

13. yeah well someone better clue Hil in about that

She has been to Iraq and knows so much more than we do. From the Green Zone no less. :puke:

[earthlover]

14. /get out better than we got in?

Well, we got in because Hillary voted for the IWR and against the Levin Amendment.

You know...Hillary...the same Hillary that doesn't want nukes off the table with Iran....

[bicentennial_baby]

17. Exactement...

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

22. So, she's nagging at the Iraqis to do better even as we're bombing

the cr@P! out of them? Does anyone remember that Clinton's sanctions and bombs killed 500,000 Iraqi kids or is that just so 20th century?

:puke:

[jgraz]

6. Here's a link to the writeup on her site

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=2354

Pretty much by-the-numbers stuff.

[NNN0LHI]

5. I will support whomever wins the Democratic nomination

I watched a Republican (Nixon) win an election in 1968 promising to use a "secret plan" to end Americas involvement in a most unpopular war in Vietnam.

Four years later with the war still raging I watched an antiwar Democratic presidential candidate (McGovern) lose 49 states while promising to actually end Americas involvement in that very same unpopular war. And McGovern lost the election to Nixon.

These are not black and white issues.

Have to win the election to affect change. Unfortunately too many people only want to hear what they want to hear regardless of what the truth is.

Don

[CTyankee]

9. I just re-read "The Making of the President 1968" recently

McGovern's campaign was SO mismanaged, what a disaster. I have seen so many awful Dem campaigns I have been totally disgusted.

Hillary has a great campaign team. I only wonder if she is electable in the general election. I am interested only in the national polls that show ALL parties voting, not just Dems. I am leaning to Edwards now and hope his polls pick up.

I will not vote for another Democratic candidate that cannot win!

[earthlover]

12. Yeah, but at least with McGovern, if we had won we would have WON!

With Hillary, if we "win" she triangulates. More likely, she will lose and the Republican victor won't triangulate.

[CTyankee]

23. It's hard for me, as a liberal, to see why ANYBODY would have voted for Nixon.

Even without Watergate, the man was so downright ugly and lacked any charm at all, no charisma. I can only speculate that people were somehow afraid of McGovern's supporters -- we were all "wild eyed" liberals or revolutionaries. McGovern was a good, solid man, war hero, decent guy. But it didn't help that his staff didn't vet Tom Eagleton thoroughly enough. First McGovern stood by him, the next thing you know he was sent packing. It didn't look decisive, presidential. I don't blame McGovern, he just had awful staffers.

The same with the Dukakis campaign, also...

[sniffa]

10. i don't disagree on most of your post

however, this is the primary season, as there is a debate going on. i'm a fringe candidate voter (dean supporter, kucinich voter when he was 1 of 3 candidates who hadn't dropped out of the race when it was our turn to vote) who became a huge kerry supporter once he was the eventuaL/actuaL nominee.

that being said, i'm shocked to see some peopLe enthusiasticaLLy support some candidates as members of DU; if you start from the top of the poLLs and work down, it moves further towards the Left.

[earthlover]

15. You're right!

Generally speaking, the further to the right, the better in the polls. The further to the left, the worst.

What is really sad is that Hillary may be the most conservative Democrat to have run in decades...but she has the public perception of being way, way, to radical liberal.

Worst of both worlds.

[bicentennial_baby]

18. How does that happen?

Who in gawd's name sees her as a radical liberal?! :wtf:

[JackBeck]

19. The Right Wing, that's who.

:eyes:

[napi21]

25. The media promotes that, and lots of people who don't pay

much attention to anything but rw talk radio on their way to work and an occasional news program believe it. It's all they hear.

[JackBeck]

16. Great observation.

Hadn't quite seen it that way and have to agree.

[sniffa]

20. gracias sen'or beck

i think i'd aLways thought as much since around 2004-5ish but it's grown exponentiaLLy in my view since then.

i hope more peopLe read that view.


























































ps: :hi: :loveya:

[CTyankee]

24. Do you think that the fringe candidates have a beneficial effect on the eventual candidate?

I see a real benefit in that they inject their so-called radical ideas into the debates and interviews to give them some currency in the general public's mind. Universal health care was not on the table (or if it was I didn't detect it) in the 04 campaign. Now it's almost a given if you are a Democrat.

[JackBeck]

7. I turned to the Mr. and said the same thing. n/t

[sniffa]

11. ditto

i expect that from her and some candidates, but i'm shocked (i know, i shouLdn't be) that some peopLe support those candidates with a straight face and try to cLaim they are LiberaLs.

[bicentennial_baby]

21. Kick

:kick: