Can the Senate mount a filibuster to kill the wiretapping bill after

[babylonsister]

the House does whatever it's going to do?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1511219&mesg_id=1511219

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Sen. Feingold needs to take action and mount a filibuster against this shameful and dangerous bill, so that when it comes back for a final vote after being reconciled with whatever comes out of the House, it is killed.

[Beelzebud]

1. Don't hold your breath waiting for the dems to do what is right.

They have utterly failed to reign in the Bush Crime family and are now just giving in to his demands.

[Az]

3. Kicking the butts of Republicans isn't going to do any good

We need to make the Dems we support show us they deserve our support. And when they turn gutless like they are doing in this case we need to kick their butts until they grow a freaking spine or are kicked out and replaced with a Dem that has a spine.

I am literally sick of spineless Dems willing to sell our rights down the drain. I am more angry at them than I am at the Repugs. I expect it from them. But the Dems that turn their back on these issues.... they should freaking know better. I cannot describe how angry they make me.

[spotbird]

2. Just in case anyone would get that idea

the vote was 60 in favor.

[rodeodance]

4. The Senate (Dems) failed to 'fix' the Medicare Bill, yet, they think they can

i posted earlier----but seems to fit here also


Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject The Senate (Dems) failed to 'fix' the Medicare Bill, yet, they think they can
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1510242#1510242
1510242, The Senate (Dems) failed to 'fix' the Medicare Bill, yet, they think they can
Posted by rodeodance on Sat Aug-04-07 06:34 AM

come back in 6 months and 'fix' a terror related bill? Give me a break!!

They could not muster the votes (Medicare part D-giving away negotiation rights).
Now, they give us a promise to fix the FISA bill in 6 months. Its gone. Sorry to
be a pessimist, but that is how I feel right now!



Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Don't panic. Congress just passed a bill that "concedes unprecedented authority" to the AG
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1509830#1509830
1509830, Don't panic. Congress just passed a bill that "concedes unprecedented authority" to the AG
Posted by ProSense on Sat Aug-04-07 01:16 AM


Statement from Senate Intelligence committee chairman Jay Rockefeller:

We all agreed Congress needed to take immediate action in order to help keep the country safe, and the Senate did that tonight.

My opposition to the final bill was based on the fact that it did not include the privacy protections and safeguards American citizens deserve and expect.

We had the opportunity to pass a more careful bill that would have given the DNI the authority he requested, while also protecting the rights of U.S. citizens.

Instead, this bill undermines the FISA Court and concedes unprecedented authority to the Attorney General.

It does contain the six-month sunset that we insisted upon, and that gives us an immediate opportunity and responsibility to come back and strike the right balance.

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/006473.html






Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Thank these 16 Democrats for giving Bush expanded authority to eavesdrop without a warrant.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3425605#3425605
3425605, Thank these 16 Democrats for giving Bush expanded authority to eavesdrop without a warrant.
Posted by ProSense on Fri Aug-03-07 11:34 PM


Lincoln (D) Yes
Pryor (D) Yes
Feinstein (D) Yes
Salazar (D) Yes
Carper (D) Yes
Nelson (D) Yes
Inouye (D) Yes
Bayh (D) Yes
Landrieu (D) Yes
Mikulski (D) Yes
Klobuchar (D) Yes
McCaskill (D) Yes
Nelson (D) Yes
Conrad (D) Yes
Casey (D) Yes
Webb (D) Yes

link

How high should we jump, King George?

Unbelievable!

"My Republican colleagues chose to rubberstamp a flawed administration proposal," said Democratic Senate Majority leader Harry Reid, accusing the White House of misusing anti-terror powers in the past.

Republican colleagues? Without the 16 Dems, you have 44 votes!

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Dems in the House and Senate failed to pass tougher judicial checks and oversights:
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3425971#3425971
3425971, Dems in the House and Senate failed to pass tougher judicial checks and oversights:
Posted by rodeodance on Sat Aug-04-07 05:08 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/04/washington/04nsa.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1186221755-6ylqX5w8PKvuxIJrh8iN2Q

......Broader Spying Authority Advances in Congress

By ERIC LICHTBLAU and MARK MAZZETTI
Published: August 4, 2007

WASHINGTON, Aug. 3 —A furious push by the White House to broaden its wiretapping authority appeared on the verge of victory on Friday night after the Senate approved a measure that would temporarily give the administration more latitude to eavesdrop without court warrants on foreign communications that it suspects may be tied to terrorism.

The House is expected to take up the White House-backed measure on Saturday morning before going into its summer recess.

Democratic leaders acknowledged that the bill would probably pass.

Democrats in both the House and the Senate failed to pass competing measures on Friday that would have included tougher judicial checks and oversight on the eavesdropping powers.


.......
edit to add Harry Reid statement:

August 03, 2007

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Senate action on FISA legislation:

A few weeks ago, I made a personal commitment to the Director of National Intelligence that I would lead the Senate to passage of a bill that would help protect America from terrorist attack by enhancing our intelligence community’s foreign intelligence collection capability.

Senate Democrats worked in good faith with the Director of National Intelligence to produce the Rockefeller-Levin bill that was tough on terrorists, provided much-need oversight of the Attorney General, and did not infringe on the constitutional rights of American citizens. Rather than pass this bill, my Republican colleagues chose to rubberstamp a flawed Administration proposal that fails to provide the accountability needed in light of the Administration’s repeated past mismanagement of key tools in the war on terror.

This bill will sunset in six months. Over the course of the fall, I expect the Senate to work diligently on more permanent legislation that will better serve American national security interests and the American people.

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/006473.html

[walldude]

6. "The bill will sunset"

Never heard that one before :eyes: Goddammit I'm getting tired of being treated like I have the IQ of the President...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Posted the day before yesterday on DU re Feingold and filibuster

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1499355

Asked whether he would attempt to filibuster any bill that comes up prior to the Senate’s adjournment for the August recess, Feingold said he would prefer to be able to give his stamp of approval to the measure.

“But at the moment I’m feeling a little worried that that isn’t going to be possible,” he said. “It’s not moving in the direction that I’m hoping, but I think it might be moving in the wrong direction, in which case the options have to be potentially utilized.”

[Bumblebee]

7. No. What's more important, the vote was not a fluke of the kind "If only one

more Dem voted 'No'." If Reid truly wanted it stopped, he would have prevailed. First of all, he did not have to agree to the "only 60 needed" rule; second, someone mentioned Landrieu changed her vote a couple of times -- that was math at work; it was supposed to pass. Loyalists like Mikulski, would have not voted for it otherwise. While Feingold was passionate against it, what about the others we expect to hear from in a loud fashion: Kennedy, Durbin, Kerry, who was not even there, Boxer, who likewise skipped it? It was a done deal even before it came to the floor.

Since I can live in a fantasy world for a couple more hours before the House votes on it, I may indulge in daydreaming of Pelosi and Reid having some kind of a plan, and the House bill being changed enough to warrant a reconciliation between the two (it will not of course be simply voted down, don't hold you breath) -- but that would be outsmarting the GOP and we have rarely been on the winning end of that one...

[babylonsister]

8. But is it feasible now, would be the question, despite how disgusted

we all are?

I'm living the same dream you are as far as the House goes; we shall see, but it's 3:20pmCT, and they still haven't gone there.

[Bumblebee]

9. No, it cannot be "undone" in the Senate unless they are forced to take another

vote.