I am curious about something. How many of you anti-Impeachment folks are actually veterans

[madokie]

someone who has or are going to stand up

[ixion]

1. I'm neither a veteran, nor anti-impeachment...

just stopped by to watch the thread. :) :popcorn:

[madokie]

3. with popcorn and coffee at the ready, is i

asbestos suit has been broken out and dusted off. ;-)

[Fresh_Start]

2. stats show the military is more likely to support the POTUS

and his policies than the rest of us.

So I'd ask the same of the gungho (we'll let the officers think for us), military

[SaveAmerica]

34. Are you talking about in votes or on the job? Because when you're in

the military your Commander in Chief is at the top of your chain of command, you are to follow the orders that come from him and support him in that way. When you vote, your vote is still yours and it's my experience that there are plenty of military who do not support Bush's policies. In my circle of friends and family it's 1:4 pro:against Bush and there were never any official stats for the 04 election for us to gauge how the military really felt (I think my example above might be why).

[midnight]

4. This is an excellent question. What has been asked of

our military is ridiculous. What is being asked of us,those of us that want to bring them home,to shut up, is equally ridiculous.

[hobbit709]

5. I'm a vet

and I not only want them impeached, I want them drawn and quartered for what they've done both to my country and to the world.

[madokie]

6. yes me too.

so far no takers from the anti's.

[speedoo]

18. Same here.

Plenty of vets feel the same way we do.

[Rydz777]

7. I'm a veteran, and I'm anti-war. I'm not anti-impeachment except

that I think it is probably a waste of time. I want the Congress to concentrate on stopping the war, i.e. cutting off the funds for it. I'm not sure they are capable of doing that and chewing gum at the same time, much less impeaching.

In any case, impeachment only requires a majority vote in the House. The "trial" that would follow in the Senate is where the Republicans would turn it into a circus with no end. I grant, however, that action to impeach by the House would have symbolic value, but it would not remove Bush from office. We are stuck with him until March 2009.

[madokie]

10. I could care less if we are stuck with him I care more for the precedence being set by him

once a trial is started and evidence is lain out on the table for all to see the votes will be there

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. It's A Strawman

I doubt there's one poster on this site who wouldn't like to see Bush* removed from office tomorrow by peaceful means via impeachment but it is not likely with this Congress...

Nixon resigned because he didn't have the votes in the Senate and was disapproved of by a large majority of Americans but loathed by a plurality of Americans as well...Bush* is also disapproved of by a large majority of Americans but hasn't reached the point where he is loathed by a majority or pluraility of them as well...


Impeachment is a political act and I don't see a sentiment in the nation to impeach Bush*

[cmd]

14. Thank you

That is a reasonable response. We have to have patience.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Both Bush* And Nixon Were Very Unpopular As Was Jimmy Carter

The difference besides the fact that Carter wasn't a scofflaw was that while he was disapproved of he wasn't loathed...Nixon was disapproved of and loathed...Bush* hasn't reached that point yet...

Any president that reached that point would resign before he was removed...

[cmd]

23. It's always been my belief that he will quit.

He craves approval. Lack of it will do him in.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. I Intensely, Intensely Dislike Him... But

I think he ends his term... A lot better than my friend's lottery pick:

SIGH

[MLFerrell]

64. "Any president that reached that point would resign before he was removed..."

:rofl:

How is life up there in LaLa Land?

I think what you meant to say was "Any SANE president that reached that point would resign before he was removed..."

Because I can guaran-goddamn-tee the * is anything but sane. The man will NEVER resign. Quitcher dreaming!

[madokie]

65. exactly what makes sane people do sane things only makes little boots dig his heels in

history will not be kind to him and he knows that there is nothing he can do to change things now except resign which his pride won't let him do. we'll get our impeachment I truly believe, its coming, people are getting fed up with his bullshit, I'm seeing and hearing it all the time now. Actually in my personal life there seems to be more * appeasers here on Du than I run into in the everyday world I live in and thats saying something. it is imperative we impeach them in order to stop this runaway train from only continuing after the bush* crew are gone. we must impeach nothing less

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. You Missed My Point....

Nixon resigned because he was told by key Republican senators he no longer had thirty four votes in the Senate to avoid being removed from office...

Nixon was not merely unpopular but loathed by a pluraility of Americans... Bush* is unpopular to a large majory but I don't see a pluraity of that majority loathing him as Nixon was loathed...Nixon resigned because he was so loathed that it was politically untenable for Republican senators to vote against removal from office... It was voting against Nixon or losing their jobs for most Republican senators... IMHO, Bush is not there yet...

Which Republican senators are in danger of losing their seats if they vote against impeachment for Bush?

As I said ad infinitum and ad nauseum I don't oppose impeachment for Bush... I just don't see it as being likely...

[madokie]

70. theres just as many that loathe the little man today as nixon of yesteryear

the big difference is today we don't have the press on our side as we did back in the nixonian days

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. Maybe So... Maybe Not...

I can probably name at least forty GOPU senators who could vote against conviction in the Senate and be in zero danger of losing their jobs... Maybe forty five...

I'll say it again ...I do not see 67 senators voting to remove Bush from office...Rightly or wrongly it's easier to conceive of 67 senators voting to keep Bush* in office...

One needs to distinguish between the empirical (the way things are) and the normative (the way things ought to be)...

I am desperately trying to be clear... Would I mind seeing Bush impeached ? NO Do I see it occurring ? NO

[madokie]

74. With the publicity garnered by the impeachment in the house

I strongly believe that the votes would be there once the senate took up the case and started laying the evidence out for all to see. But the point of my post isn't to argue for or against impeachment, been there done that, I just wanted to see what demographic the ones who say we can't do it are from. I find they are pretty much not from the ranks of the Veterans. but hey its fine by me that you think what you want same as I can.


wouldn't that make you an anti though, I mean really wouldn't it

[madokie]

15. so you're not a vet and you are against impeachment too, is that correct

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I Favor Impeachment But I Don't See It As Occurring...

Hey...My friend bought me a lottery ticket for my birthday... "I have debts that no honest man can pay." That line's straight from Bruce Springsteen's Johnny99... But I digress... I need to look at todays' paper to see if I have the magic numbers... I "favor", I really, really, favor with every fiber of my being that I do but I don't see it occurring...

There's a parable there...

PEACE

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Just Looked

Not one fucken number out of five...

[madokie]

25. happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you

bet ya' didn't know I could sing did you, ;-)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. I Rarely Buy Lottery Tickets...

Probably spend less than $10.00 per year...

One time my mom got three or four out of five ... The payoff was modest not life-altering... To this day I wonder how our lives would be different if she got all five... How much fun would it be to work at something you like because you want to and not work at something you don't really like because you have to...

[Greyhound]

47. I call them an "I can't do math" tax. Still buy them occasionally, since

people do win from time to time, we had one here a or two month ago; $600+K and haven't heard from him since. It was especially nice since he was a good guy with no money, I'm sure he's much happier now.

[madokie]

66. we buy a couple numbers on Wednesdays and Saturdays

it cost 4 bucks for two numbers each of the days and the money goes into our states education fund so its a win win for us here in Oklahoma. we had a local winner a month or so back for something like 600 grand too, didn't know them or anything though.

[fasttense]

8. I am a vet who took an oath to support the Constitution of the United States first and

foremost. True I took an oath to follow the orders of the President of the United states and the orders of the officers appointed over me. But the first allegiance listed in my oath was to the Constitution of the United States. Therefore I am all for Impeaching the law breaking bushes.

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[madokie]

11. yes that too

[Hubert Flottz]

13. I'm a democrat and a veteran and I say...

Impeach the neocon menace.

[bigtree]

16. How many of these folks you think are anti-impeachment

are actually anti-impeachment?

Most folks here are just against jumping right into a process which has a likely chance of an acquittal along party lines. Who do you think here wouldn't really love to see Bush and Cheney convicted and thrown out?

[madokie]

22. are you a Vet and are you for impeachment is the question though

[ellisonz]

42. And he clowned the question...

[madokie]

43. imagine that

[Greyhound]

19. Good question, and a dearth of responses from the usual suspects.

Big surprise there.
:kick: & R

[madokie]

24. someone correct me if I'm wrong but still no vets against impeachment as of yet

I put my ass on the line and I will do so again.

[hack89]

55. I am a vet and I put my ass on the line and I am against impeachment.

I want the war to end. If we start impeachment it will be scorched earth politics in Congress that will absolutely guarantee that nothing get done - including any attempt to end the war. I do not want to see any more die while we waste time on a fantasy.

[genie_weenie]

27. PRO-Impeachment Veteran right here.

[OzarkDem]

28. How many veterans supported Clinton's impeachment?

Not sure what being a veteran has to do with impeachment.

[madokie]

39. I was only asking if any Vets were not for impeachment

so far I haven't read of any.

[LWolf]

30. veterans of what?

Has or are going to stand up for what?

Are you implying that military service is the only way to "stand up?"

[madokie]

38. Not at all, I'm only asking if there is any Vet's who are against impeachment

just a simple question, no hidden or whatever implications

[LWolf]

44. I've heard from 3 vets on impeachment.

One loves GWB and thinks we're all traitors. He spent a few years in the Navy, and another 25 in the coast guard.

One was in the army, stationed in Mosul. He's an anarchist and is for "impeaching" the entire government.

One is ambivalent; heavy republican leanings, but too honest to blindly cheer them on, has been stationed in kuwait, bosnia, and numerous other places, and while he doesn't like GWB, isn't happy with supporting Democrats' efforts to impeach. If the impeachment was bipartisan, he'd be happier with it.

[madokie]

45. I just wanted to get a feel for the folks here who don't want to impeach

if it was some were vets or not. so far I think I can be safe in saying for the most part Vets are for impeachment. After having spent 15 months in VN I couldn't imagine being anti-impeachment today, some 37 years later, just can not imagine it. To be would be like a slap in the face by me to me

[billyoc]

31. I'm for impeachment when the Congressional leadership is. n/t

[B Calm]

32. I'm for impeachment., I'm also a veteran...

figured I better hurry up and post before the thread gets locked... An awful lot of thin skinned people in here anymore who want to lock any thread they find offensive!

[dkofos]

33. I'm a vet and I want them impeached and tried for WAR CRIMES and TREASON.

[hootinholler]

35. Vet supporting imprisonment, not just impeachment.

Preferably at the Hague, but I would find any Texas supermax facility, or Gitmo acceptable as an alternatice.

-Hoot

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. I'm a vet and have been for impeachment since 2001.

But, the wannabee emperor is still infesting the White House with the approval of congress.

[fed-up]

37. my brother is Gulf War I vet and PRO-impeachment-more friends/neighbors are Vets-PRO-Peachment nt

[stillcool]

40. I'm not a vet...

but I am impressed by this post and the veterans that have responded.

[madokie]

41. Not that it means anything in particular but I wondered if any of us who have actually put our asses

on the line are in favor of throwing our hands in the air and holler 'but we don't have the votes'. I didn't think there would be and so far I have seen none. Let me just say this I can't imagine with what I have been through that I could be for not impeaching these traitors and war criminals.

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[Doubting Thomas]

48. I'm for impeachment and prison.

USAF, 1958-1963

Yes, I got lucky and squeezed in between Korea and Viet-Nam, but was on alert and ready to go to Cuba if required. I didn't get my daddy to get me into a closed National Guard unit to avoid combat, and I never was AWOL. Actually, W was a deserter -- AWOL for more than 90 days.

[madokie]

49. thats close

[Doubting Thomas]

51. Whoops!

Wrong subject, I'm for impeachment, not against. Just corrected my last post.

[madokie]

52. Whew you had me scared there for a little bit

[sanskritwarrior]

50. Active duty

prepping for another Iraq tour, consider impeachment a waste of time and resources, end the war, that is much more important than pie in the sky impeachment..........

[madokie]

53. thanks for your service and hope you will be OK

so there is one

[NeedleCast]

57. I don't really think that's one

unless you're using a very loose definition of the word anti.

You seem to think anyone who is not directly supporting impeachment is anti. I think this is incorrect.

I'm going to make three statements about broccoli. How many of them do you think are anti-broccoli?

1. Broccoli is delicious. I enjoy it a great deal.
2. I don't eat broccoli.
3. I hate broccoli. It is a vile, disgusting weed.

[madokie]

58. how many anti's are vets

[NeedleCast]

60. Are you asking me a question?

I'd say none on this board, most likely. There are some, like me, who aren't focused on impeachment and, like Sanskrit, I think it's pointless without the votes. Do you consider that anti-impeachment?

[madokie]

62. of course not, anti impeachment is anti impeachment

theres just no two ways about it :hi:

[CANDO]

54. I'm a Vet, and IMPEACH the m'fer already!

And his sidekick Darth Vader too!

[NeedleCast]

56. I'm a Vet

I'm not anti-impeachment. If G-Dubs gets impeached, cool. Not going to happen, but it would be cool. Honestly though, my focus lies elsewhere.

Unfortunatly it seems like some who are more vocally for impeachment think those like me are anti-impeachment. That's not the case. I just don't think it's going to happen, so I'd rather focus on other things.

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. Can I speak for my husband and dad? GOOD, thank you! My dad hated Bush with a passion.

He served in Korea and WWII. He's deceased now, but I KNOW he would have supported Impeachment. My husband is also a vet and thinks the psycho is a war criminal and should be impeached.

[madokie]

61. yes you can anytime you want too

its overwhelming so far it seems that us Vets for the most part are for impeachment. We need impeachment to stop this madman, without it I fear there will be many more like him in the future

[pwb]

63. Resignation would be honorable, so Bush won't do that.

Neocons like bush have no sense of guilt or what most of us call a conscience. They were always forgiven for their bad deeds as children and still feel special. Bush is president and impeachment hearings should be started, but i feel others are pulling his strings and, they need to face justice as well.

Bush, Gonzo, and rove, are hiding behind executive privilege all the time.

we need to use more people privilege.

I can't think of one neocon, i would follow into combat.

:hide:

yes to impeachment for me. imprisonment should follow. War crimes are unforgivable.

PEACE

[w8liftinglady]

67. MadOkie-you know where I stand...Impeach them all.

anarchy beats what we have now

[madokie]

69. indeed it would

I can say I'm in very good company. ;-)

[wiggs]

72. Wasn't there a DU poll on who supported impeachment, and 95% supported

impeachment? Going by memory...

...but in any case, at DU you're going to find that almost any demographic group (vets, seniors, left-handed brunettes, whatever) will support impeachment.

Even outside DU, I susptect that if the impeachment question were worded accurately that a solid majority -- even a super majority -- of Americans would support impeachment.

[madokie]

73. I've been bruised pretty bloody here for suggesting the majority of the American people

support impeachment. I still think like you do though and that there is a solid majority that would support it too and not only support it but want it