So, are all DUers screwn?

[CoffeeCat]

Since we've all posted anti-Bush sentiments, and more specifically anti-Iraq war statements,
aren't all of us considered a threat to this administrations' efforts?

According to Bush's latest executive order--anyone who might be a threat to the administration's
Iraq-war efforts is practically an enemy of the US government. A protester could be deemed a threat.
So could a blogger or a poster on a messageboard. So could I...a stay-at-home mom from the 'burbs
who called the Iraq war a "perverse debacle" and "a shameful, sickening crime"...among other things.

So, are DUers pretty much destined for internment camps, mysterious disappearances and property seizures or
will this administration mainly incarcerate the major troublemakers?

[Maddy McCall]

1. No.

There is no Agent Mike.

[Posteritatis]

21. What is the Agent Mike thing anyway?

I started seeing, or at least noticing, references to it/him/whatever all over the site a few weeks ago. I'm assuming I'm missing something.

[Maddy McCall]

24. About three years ago, there was this charlatan at DU named Bev Harris.

She claimed that an Agent named Mike came to see her about something she had posted on DU.

To fully understand why nothing Bev's said is credible, you'd have to read some of the many threads in the archives about her.

She's never told the truth. Agent Mike is just one in a long line of Bev Harris BS.

:)

[Posteritatis]

26. I am become clued. Thanks! (nt)

[SoCalDem]

27. So.. all the flirting with Agent Mike for all these years, has been in vain?

:P

[Maddy McCall]

28. Elad was intercepting those messages.

So, actually you were flirting with Elad.

:D

:hi:

[unhappycamper]

37. Agent Mike's pic:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

2. Fuck 'em!

Right now I am ready to fight for the constitution our fore-fathers enacted.

[madinmaryland]

3. o', dvtrem. oy'd nrrb s ;pmh fsu. ;pbr upi s;;! !1!!

:)

[Liberal In Texas]

Dammit! The decoder ring current setting is to ALPHA SIGMA PHI 000+0

Stop.

Project X could be compromised with this silly posting of gibberish.

Contact your group leader. IMMEDIATELY!

-Under fling...L

[madinmaryland]

12. EYG!!1!!

[MonkeyFunk]

4. not unless

you're plannng violence against US troops in Iraq.

The paranoia over this E.O. is silly.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

You are just so calm and cool.

One might wonder how you do it.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. It's easy

Step 1: Grow up
Step 2: Pay attention
Step 3: Don't panic

[CoffeeCat]

8. That's not what the Exec Order says...

...Bush's order is vague and generalized. You don't have to commit violence against the troops,
you just have to be engaged in undermining the efforts of the war.

In BushCo's mind, I doubt protesting the war or writing anti-war blogs---is helpful. He could
categorize those behaviors as thwarting the war effort.

He certainly doesn't drill it down to only those "planning violence against US troops in Iraq"
as you did.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

22. I read the EO a couple of times.

It does look as if your "properties" can be taken away if you try to stop the funding to rebuild of Iraq.

Being Bush feels the war is bringing “political reform” to Iraq...any "United States person" who tries to end the war can fall under the category of a person who is trying to threaten the stabilization efforts in Iraq.


This one paragraph gets to me....

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.


...Doesn't that mean we could have our assets legally frozen if we simply help a person who has had their “properties” taken away. ....It sounds very Anne Frank to me.

I doubt we’ll all be rounded up...but I do feel they could easily put a hold on our bank accounts. And to tell you the truth I think TwoSparkles has every reason to be a bit afraid. ...I know I am.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html

[hfojvt]

25. it's not 'trying to end the war'

it's "(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:"

Acts of violence. Significant risk of acts of violence.

Which explains how Monkeyfunk stays so calm. Clearly he has taken some kind of drug that enables reading comprehension.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

30. You could say something without being so rude.

(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;

...Did you read my post? What part of underminding do you not understand?

hfojvt,

I never said anything about Monkeyfunk...I like Monkeyfunk. The writer of the OP seemed to be getting ridiculed for her beliefs.

You could say something without being so rude.Criticizing our political leaders is one thing, but to belittle fellow posters is uncalled for. ...It's also very small of you.

[hfojvt]

33. undermining comes after violence

undermining is not the crime. Committing or intending to commit acts of violence is the crime. Thus my latest LTTE, although it may undermine Bush's efforts in Iraq (at least I hope so) is not illegal. If, however, I had a rocket launcher or even an HK-91, or heck, even the axe that I do have and used that axe or threatened to use that axe to undermine Bush's war then that would be a crime.

I cannot explain it any better. Undermining is not made criminal here. Violence with the intent to undermine is.

The fact that so many here do not seem to comprehend this does get a little bit frustrating as does the implied attack on somebody who does understand it.

I could say something without being rude, but I'm not the only one. Am I?

"What part of underminding do you not understand?"

"It's also very small of you."

Those aren't rude?

Of course, they are perhaps justifiable since you had provocation, my previous rude post. However, I also thought I had provocation in frustration with my fellow posters panic about something they do not understand.

It's not the only thing, but one thing we need to fear, is

fear itself.

By being rude, I hope to encourage people to stay calm and perhaps look again, re-read (or read) what they are reacting to.

[Deja Q]

31. Seconded.

People need to step back, think about what has been said, think about what they are saying, think about what they think, and talk with other people in the real world. I've read a lot of kooky things on any number of sites and I read it all with a grain of salt.

It can be enlightening and reassuring. And half the time when somebody talks of a plot or conspiracy, it's usually turns out to be a vivid imagination run amok.

C-H-I-L-L, people. Please!

[EFerrari]

5. I'm not going without my dog.

[givemebackmycountry]

6. I think DU is the least of our problems

Every forum, on every blog, on every website, on every message board?
They don't have enough Halliburton style camps to put us all in.
Unless he plans on rounding us all up and putting us all in Utah.
And Nevada.
And New Mexico.
And Montana.
And Arizona.
And maybe Texas.

I'm not losing any sleep over this Monkey ass.

[Blue_In_AK]

7. I'm not afraid of them.

That's what they want. I will say what I please here or anywhere else, and I will march every chance I get. No matter how hard they try to stop us, this IS still America, and we'd better be prepared to stand up and fight for it.

How could they incarcerate two-thirds of the country? Send them all to Alaska??? :rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

10. I think that Executive Order...

...was meant to frighten people into shutting up.

They wouldn't have to incarcerate 2/3 of the country. If they incarcerated
a few thousand and made many disappear--they wouldn't need to incarcerate
the rest.

Many would shut up out of fear.

[NV Whino]

14. Sure, you've got Ted Stevens on your side.

:rofl:

[Blue_In_AK]

40. Shame on you, NV

:spank: It's a good thing I know you. :)

[More Than A Feeling]

9. I'm hughly screwn.

[liberalmuse]

11. Fat chance.

These guys are evil, but I'd like to see them try to intern a bunch of REEEALLY pissed off DUers. As far as seizing property, good luck prying my iPod out of my cold, dead hands. I think they're more interested in spying on industrialists, journalists and politicians than us "peasants".

[ben_meyers]

13. Are you kidding?

President Franklin Roosevelt authorized the internment of 120,000 Japanese with Executive Order 9066 during WWII, what's to stop Bush from rounding up 4500 posters to a web site?

[lonestarnot]

15. I have my pocket constitution.

[tomreedtoon]

16. Yes. Take some rope and wander into the woods.

What kind of question is that?

[Jack Rabbit]

17. Response to Bush's EO

1. Mr. Bush lost the election of 2000 and, since his power is derived from the velvet coup that followed, he is not the President of the United States. He has no right to issue executive orders or to send American troops into war, even if he had a good reason. Mr. Bush is a fraud and an impostor. He styles himself as President of the United States, yet has never won a clean presidential election. No American, military or civilian, owes Mr. Bush the slightest allegiance.

2. There is no serious war on terrorism. Mr. Bush and his Junta used the September 11 attacks to arrange a war against a nation that had nothing to do with the atrocities, while only reluctantly and with little enthusiasm or sense of purpose made only a lame effort to capture those responsible for the atrocities before moving to

3. The war in Iraq was and continues to be an illegal war of aggression in violation of the United Nations Charter. There were no valid reasons for going to war and the reasons set forward by the Bush Junta were deliberate lies.

4. Iraq is not today a sovereign state. It is under the military occupation of a foreign power, the illegal junta in power in the United States. Moreover, the purpose of said occupation is not liberation, as is often claimed by spokespeople for the Bush Junta, but a colonial occupation, intended to be permanent and with the purpose placing the natural resources of Iraq in the hands of foreign (i.e., mostly American) corporations.

5. The reconstruction effort in Iraq has not benefited the Iraqi people. Four years after the invasion, there is no stable supply of power or drinking water to Iraqi homes and businesses. The contracts for rebuilding Iraq have been chosen by the Junta on the basis of support for the Junta and its political allies rather than any record of ability to perform the duties required. This has resulted in lost time, unaccounted funds and out-and-out fraud.

6. The Iraqi parliament may or may not represent the Iraqi people. It was installed under the aegis of an occupying power and is limited in its authority to act by decrees of Paul Bremer, the colonial governor general of the occupying power. If the Iraqi parliament really represents the Iraqi people, rather than passing the hydrocarbons bill written in Washington at the behest of US oil corporations, it will tell Mr. Cheney, who poses as Vice President in the Bush Junta, and the US oil corporations to take their idea of a law and stick up where the sun doesn't shine.

7. Good evening, Agent Mike. How are Mrs. Mike and all the little Mikes? I hope they are well. For the last six years, I have dropped enough personal information on this website that you no doubt know my identity, my address and my phone number. You know where to find me.

[rucky]

18. After everything I post,

I make a posting statement that makes me immune from persecution.

[Liberal In Texas]

19. I've been trying to formulate a decent answer to your OP for, oh so long.

This should make you proud of what you originally put forth.

I have written, deleted, written again.

I guess my answer is Yes.

We could all be thrown into camps at the whim of a dictator.
We seem at this point to have a dictator. The Law of the Land, the Constitution has been usurped.

If we don't resist the new lawlessness, we are doomed.

The Declaration was signed by men who knew that if didn't work out, they would be dead. As a matter of fact, many of them ended up dead or their property confiscated.

We're kind of in a weird new situation, either we play their game, or we lose and perhaps die.

To me, I know what's right and good. If they come after me, I know that I will have done the right thing.

See you in the camps.

-L

[Wiley50]

20. All They'll Get Is Turnip Blood From Me

Non-existent Assets can not be Frozen

an internment camp may well be a step up in living conditions for me
At Least, I'd have lots of eyeball to eyeball like minded company

[MatrixEscape]

35. You an say that again, Wiley!

Well, I do have a few assets in the freezer, so they are already frozen, I guess.

No sense in refreezing assets! Well, maybe another EO will cover that one.

[Truth2Tell]

23. If they do ramp up the camps

and they don't come to get me, I'll know I haven't been doing enough.

[SeattleGirl]

29. I'm convinced I've been on one or more lists for several years now.

And I truly don't give a shit.

As I told my husband, last time he expressed concern over me voicing my views: Last time I checked we DID have First Amendment rights (though I know the Bushies are doing their best to completely obliterate them).

Fuck 'em if they can't handle the truth.

I have NEVER threatened this country.

I have NEVER threatened this President, regardless of how much I detest him.

Do I worry sometimes that I might end up behind bars? Yeah, I do.

But is that worry going to make me shut the fuck up?

Hell no!

[Alexander]

32. Only 25% of Americans approve of Bush - they can't lock up the other 75%.

That would be over 200 million Americans.

Just like the RIAA, they can get some of us and intimidate a few of us, but the rest of us will keep on doing what we're doing - exposing a criminal, fraudulent, illegitimate regime.

[annabanana]

39. Locking up 5% would scare 69% into compliance. . . . n/t

[Beerboy]

34. I somehow doubt it. Executive orders aren't instantly

translated into a super-efficient secret police that dispatches prison vans at the flick of a switch from Air Force One.
The Government works only because we pay our bills and allow them to do this to us. If the bulk of the citizenry refused to go along for whatever reason(s), they'd be fucked.

[libnnc]

38. To quote Barbara Stanwyck as Kitty Lane in the 1932 movie

"Shopworn"...

"Come an' get me, coppers!!"