I wish these creeps would stop calling the U.S. "The Homeland"..

[Webster Green]

Nobody ever called the U.S. the mutherfucking "homeland" before these fascist dickheads came along.

It's very strange and disturbing.

[Skink]

1. Kind O' German don't you think?

[Webster Green]

7. Indeed!...BTW, are we allowed to call them nazis yet?

I guess it won't be politically correct until the chimp has killed as many innocents as Hitler, who seems to be some kind of Bush family hero.

[Cha]

18. I allowed myself years

ago to call them fascists and now nazi..why not?

"Main Entry: Na·zi
Pronunciation: 'nät-sE, 'nat-
Function: noun
Etymology: German, by shortening & alteration from Nationalsozialist, from national national + Sozialist socialist
1 : a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler
2 often not capitalized a : one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : FASCIST b : one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person
- nazi adjective, often capitalized"

[wadlee]

43. Um, they aren't socialists, though.

I'd go with something new and original, like "Dictatorial Committee"

[tex-wyo-dem]

49. "harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant"

Pretty much fits the decription of most rethugs in the "grand old party."

[Cha]

74. That's what I'm talkin' about!

:) I see wadlee was sent to the pizza factory.

[fooj]

44. How many million Iraqis have died?

Almost 4,000 of our loved ones. How about the innocent victims in Afghanistan? September 11th has served them well. I think Fascist Nazi pretty well covers it.

[dave123williams]

78. 'Erhote Befragung' I think is what the Germans used to call it...

They went with Nazi nomenclature for starters...then kind of went with some of the policies.

[Demeter]

83. Definitely UnAmerican

which is probably the point---desensitize the sheep from thinking about what America used to mean, and build the concept of imperialism at the same time.

[Maat]

2. I SO agree (n/t)!

[nancyr]

3. Ditto.

Makes me think of Nazis every time.

[ixion]

25. yep, straight from Mein Kampf

[lonestarnot]

26. heil fucking bushitler.

[Bonobo]

4. Das ist richtig! Oooops, I mean "That's right!"

[mentalsolstice]

5. Me too!

Why can't they call it something like "National Security" or "Domestic Security"? n/t

[porphyrian]

6. Especially since most of our bloodlines originated elsewhere.

If I was an American Indian, I don't know if I'd laugh or just be pissed off.

[Hekate]

13. That's the problem with using "homeland": it connotes racial ties to the land, which...

...the vast majority of us don't have.

We're a nation, a country, a diverse people -- but until now only explicit white racists used "homeland."

Hekate

[BattyDem]

8. That word makes me sick!

:puke: :grr: :scared:

[Hekate]

9. Jawohl! Und you vill obey!

That phrase has grated on my nerves since Day One.

Hekate

[mzteris]

10. I just want to

:puke: everytime I hear it.

It's all Mein Fuhrer or something. bleh.

[madrchsod]

11. i remember when if something catastrophic happened

one one mentioned terrorizm... is there another planet that is populated by intelligent life forms?
homeland!! motherland!! fatherland!!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

12. I so went off on my boss about this today!

He made some crack about our Governor being a fascist :rofl: and that started it. "Don't give me that shit! Bush is a fascist! these neo-cons are fascists!" Somehow I ended up with "Homeland! When have you ever heard America referred to as the Homeland??! It's straight out of Goebbels!"

He got that look on his face that I just LOVE to see! :rofl:

[ashling]

14. They only use "homeland" because

"fatherland" is so Teutonic

[driver8]

15. Don't these idiots know it's supposed to be "the Fatherland"?

Fucking fascist idiots...

[Quantess]

48. They do, but they prefer Homeland

because it fits Bush's (fake) down-home, (pretend) country-boy image better. :eyes:

[liberalmuse]

Bushland is my homeland...

and my homeland I'll defend,
Against the commie liberals,
until the bitter end.

I've got my guns and ammo,
my Humvee's full of gas,
if you so much as dissent,
I'll kick your pinko ass.

I support the War on Terror,
from the safety of my couch,
And cheer the killing of ragheads,
while digging in my pouch (of Cheetohs).

[Cha]

23. Here, have a pretzel..

ya putz!

[JohnyCanuck]

16. Hmm, let's see who else liked to refer to "the homeland."

When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History
by Thom Hartmann

The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.

It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)

But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted. He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media. And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.

Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.

SNIP

Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." (emphasis added /jc) As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.

Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.

His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.

Within a year of the terrorist attack, the nation's leader determined that the various local police and federal agencies around the nation were lacking the clear communication and overall coordinated administration necessary to deal with the terrorist threat facing the nation, particularly those citizens who were of Middle Eastern ancestry and thus probably terrorist and communist sympathizers, and various troublesome "intellectuals" and "liberals." He proposed a single new national agency to protect the security of the homeland, consolidating the actions of dozens of previously independent police, border, and investigative agencies under a single leader.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/democracyfailed.shtml

[Cha]

22. Could the bushits be any more

fucking obvious in their stealing goebbels handbook for the rising nazis?

[JohnyCanuck]

30. It would be hard to see how. n/t

[SeattleGirl]

17. I HATE that term!

Absolutely hate it!

Everytime I hear it, I expect His Chimpyness to show up with a small black mustache on his smirking face. :grr:

[momster]

77. He Only Wears It At Home

Laura just loves it!

[Blue_In_AK]

19. I would be so happy if they'd just call it

our country or our nation. This "homeland" crap makes my blood boil every time I hear it. It's so jingoistic.

[Cha]

24. And even

naziositic.

[Blue_In_AK]

27. Yes, the word that dare not be spoken. n/t

[driver8]

20. You vill call it ze "homeland" und you vill like it!! I am Bushitler!

IMG]

[Cha]

21. I was musing on it today at

work because one of the farmer's called his place "Homeland"(where he grows his produce)..so from there I thought about the bushits and their "homeland" false security.

I always have to come up with other names other than the ones named by repukes..It's still National Airport, imo.

And it's America the Beautiful it's not fucking homeland.

[Garbo 2004]

28. Not familiar with the Hart-Rudman-Rudman commission/report? Predates Bush Admin. n/t

[sammythecat]

29. Creeps me out too.

[JohnyCanuck]

31. They must figure there to be some propaganda value in it.

Brainwashing America
by Norman D. Livergood

The puppet Bush regime is using new, aggressive forms of brainwashing to change the very way Americans think and feel.

This is the psychological dimension of the demonic cabal's general onslaught against American workers, just as the "war on terrorism" is the military dimension and corporate crime and tax cuts for the rich comprise the economic dimension.

We are living under the beginning stages of a military dictatorship in precisely the same way that 1930s Germans suffered under the Nazi regime.

As in the case of Nazi Germany, state-sponsored propaganda (brainwashing) is a vital part of the Bush regime's strategy.

SNIP

In an earlier article, I reviewed the varied aspects of personality profiling and simulation. While serving as Head of the Artificial Intelligence Department at the U.S. Army War College, 1993-1995, I conducted studies on profiling, psychological programming, and brainwashing. I explored and developed personality simulation systems, an advanced technology used in military war games, FBI profiling, political campaigning, and advertising. Part of my discovery was that:

* unenlightened human minds are combinations of infantile beliefs and emotional patterns

* these patterns can be simulated in profiling systems

* these profiling systems can be used to program and control people

Personality simulation systems are being used to create political campaigns that apply voter profiles to control their voting behavior. TV commercials and programs use personality simulation to profile viewers to control their purchasing and viewing behaviors. And sophisticated propaganda and brainwashing techniques are being used by the Bush junta to keep American citizens under control.

http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

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[givemebackmycountry]

34. Goodbye asswipe -

see ya! Just alerted on your ass.

[FloridaJudy]

37. OMFG

Who left chimpie with the keys to the asylum?

[WildEyedLiberal]

38. Oh man I saw that right before it got wiped

:rofl:

To quote our now dearly departed troll Conan the Republican:

"What rights have you lost? Name ONE!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Silly fascist brownshirt, just because you don't bother to exercise your constitutional liberties because you're too busy scratching your balls while you watch Billo on Fux Newz doesn't mean the rest of us don't actually take this "liberty" thing seriously.

[givemebackmycountry]

41. I had to read it twice before it dawned on me

Then I thought...Conan the Republican?
That's a weird name for a DU'er!
You should have seen his profile...

Hobby: "Smacking down lame ass liberal Democrat arguments"

What a tool!

I've been on here for a long time now and that's my first troll that I got whacked!
Do I get like a pelt or a trophy or something?

:bounce:

I'm so slow and stupid that I almost let it slip by.
I'm so comfy here in our little community that I never expected to see THAT!

That's why I could never be a mod.

"Freeper? What Freeper? Oh! THAT Freeper!"

[derby378]

65. I must've missed a real doozie

If he doesn't know what We, the People, have lost since Herr Decider took office, he's beyond hope.

[Lifelong Protester]

85. thanks for the info on the troll

I am NEVER at the right place at the right time to see these before they become "Post deleted" and "Name deleted" so I enjoy it if someone gives a little paraphrase (if it isn't to inflamatory!)

[WildEyedLiberal]

87. Yeah, same here. I always miss out on the troll whacking fun

So I thought I'd preserve a little bit of his fascist stupidity for posterity. Glad you appreciate :P

[LuckyLib]

33. It pisses me off, and I will NOT get accustomed to it. WTF was the problem with "national"?

[tavalon]

35. Perhaps you would prefer

Fatherland? I wish fascists could just try something new once in a while but then, why bother when the same old stupid shit works on the same old stupid shits.

[CANDO]

39. It is so damned creepy. In a NAZI sort of way.

eom

[RufusTFirefly]

40. All this talk of "Homeland" reminds me of a comment

It was said that Arnold Schwarzenegger is the only U.S. Governor who can read the text of the PATRIOT ACT in the original German.

[file83]

42. That's fucking awesome.

Pardon my French.

[chknltl]

45. bush campaigned hard for "Motherland"

but rove nixed that because the acronym: "DOMS" (Department Of Motherland Security), was already in use by his fave dominatrix. He feared having to spend another year getting paddled while wearing cheney's old thong. (He really hated that old thong!)

[SoCalDem]

46. Amen, Webster

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-17-07 10:36 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1356275

Original message

I don't live in the "Homeland".


I don't live in the "Motherland"
I don't live in the "Fatherland"

I live in a state
My state is part of the UNITED states
My country is the sum of its parts

Until recently, when my country was spoken of by its leaders, it was called OUR COUNTRY..or THE UNITED STATES...or just AMERICA.

The re-naming of our country is just another exclusionary tactic to further isolate us .

Who qualifies as a "homelander". Are those of us who were born here MORE homelanderiffic than those who came here from a different "homeland" of their birth?

It always reminds me of how subjective the term "home" is.

People often speak of their "hometown". For some it's the town they were born in, for some it's the town of their childhood, for some it's the town they settle in to raise their own families, and for some it's whatever town they are in at any given time.

If an immigrant is from Quito, Ecuador, and resettles in Concord , Massachusetts, which one will they claim as their "hometown"?

It's OUR choice..

Our dear president loves to claim Midland or Crawford or Austin as his "hometowns" (carefully omitting any reference to his true north eastern roots).

I resent the linguistic gymnastics of recent years, every time one of our "leaders" refers to "the homeland" or "our homeland".

Do they mean all of us? some of us? which ones? the ones who voted for them? the ones who were born here? the ones who chose this place over a former "homeland"? the white ones? the brown ones?

Is OUR "homeland" anymore "special" than anyone else's homeland? Is Iraq a "homeland"? Is China? Is Iran?

EARTH is the ultimate homeland, and the people who so casually toss words around like frisbees, seem to care very little about IT, so why should we trust their so-called devotion to this one place among so many?

[Webster Green]

70. Excellent!

EARTH is the ultimate homeland!

[PerfectSage]

47. Just change the e to an o in homeland and you know what...

...whiny, mutherfuckin' fascist dickheads are repressing and projecting. lol Spark another owl

[Raine]

50. Doesn't bother me

cause I close my ears to EVERYTHING they say and I don't even hear it. x(

[diane in sf]

51. Sound so nazi--made my hackles rise the first time I heard it after Bushler

stole the 2000 election.

[Beerboy]

52. In total agreement.

Why not just skip the formalities of instituting Murkan as the official language and go straight to Meine Heimat or the Vaterland?
The "Homeland"?
What the fuck is that supposed to be, it sure isn't how I've thought of the good old USA, at least I'd never refer to it like that in writing or speaking.
"The Department of Homeland Security" is creepier still. DHS once referred to the Department of Human Services, the mission of that particular bureaucracy being something altogether different.
I nominate the new name of our Homeland might as well be the Moneyland.
It's the United States of America, for fucks sake.

[Golden Raisin]

53. Get used to it. Every Congressional vote

which gives Bush MORE power and the cover of legality bring us closer to the very disturbing Nazi parallel.

[Puglover]

54. It is German

Heimat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimat

The first time I heard it I knew we were in deep trouble.

[onenote]

55. so does that make Gary Hart, the israelis and the palestinians nazis?

The word "homeland" has been used before and not just by the Germans. For example, as far back as 1917 with the Balfour declaration, there was discussion of the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. And the Palestinian National Covenant, adopted in 1968, specifically referred to Palestine as the "homeland" of the Palestinian Arab people.

And as mentioned, the Hart-Rudman Commission on National Security, created in 1998, recommended the creation of a "National Homeland Security Agency."

But hey its only history.

[Puglover]

56. What?

Talk about a leap. :crazy: Maybe you should stay with the thread. The point of which is that prior to the Bushbots the term "Homeland" was little used by Americans to refer to America. I simply pointed out one of the origins of the word.

[onenote]

62. far less of a leap than a lot of the posts in this thread, including yours

than the suggestion that the post 9/11 use of the term "homeland" is evidence that chimpy and gang are nazis?

Your history is wrong, plain and simple. Sure, there is a german word for homeland. The word also exists in a wide array of languages and it dates back hundreds of years.

I pointed out that it has been used by Jews to refer to Israel, by Palestinians to refer to Palestine, and by a pre-9/11 government commission to refer to the USA.

Hey, here's another one -- Presidential Directive 62, issued by Bill Clinton in 1998: "Protection Against Unconventional Threats to the Homeland and Americans Overseas". http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/blaw/general/pdd62.htm


Does it ever occur to anyone that chimpy and gang just continued using a term that already was in use? And does it ever occur to anyone how stupid we look when we don't know history?

[Puglover]

66. You know, it is way too early in the morning to deal with a

DU schoolmarm.

1. I didn't compare "chimpy and gang" to the Nazis. "Your history"? WTF are you talking about? Where did I say word one about "history"? I posted a link to a German term. Which IMHO is jingoistic and I don't like it. I also didn't delve into why they use it. I don't a shit why they use it although I have my ideas but they are conjecture and as such would never post them otherwise. I. DO. NOT. LIKE. THE. TERM. Clear enough?

2. I also for the record don't give a goddamn if it was used by the Jews, the Palestinians or a pre-9/11 government commission or Bill Clinton. But hey bub, pat yourself on the back for your impressive historical knowledge and your Goggling talents. Color me impressed.

3. You want to use it or defend the usage of it? Knock yourself out. But don't expect a civil reply from me when you put words into my mouth and lecture me about how stupid "we look".

Edit for spellcheck.

[onenote]

69. maybe you didn't directlycompare them to nazis, but others did

including the OP who unabashedly stated that "nobody" ever used the term to describe the US before chimpy and crowd.

And let's review. You are the one who said that homeland was a german term, equating to Heimat, which is a term associated with the Nazis. And you said the first time you heard it you knew we were in trouble.

So here's a few questions for you, not that I expect you to answer them:
When you hear the term "homeland" in connection with either Israel or Palestine do you have the same reaction? If not, why not? And now that you know that it was used by Clinton and Gary Hart before it was used by chimpy, do you think we were in trouble back then?

As for being a schoolmarm -- if caring about historical accuracy makes me a schoolmarm, I'm proud to wear the label. I'm not sure what label to apply to someone who doesn't care about historical accuracy, but a few come to mind.

[Puglover]

73. Once more with feeling.....

I don't like the term. I don't know how to make it any more clear. And yeah I can admit to you that I have never heard it used in connection with Israel or Palestine. But honestly yes, I would have the same reaction. I also honestly can tell you that if I heard Gary Hart or Bill Clinton using it would not have liked it. Back then, in trouble or not. Why is that so hard for you to understand? As I said before and I'll say it again, no matter who uses the term it smacks to me of nationalism and jingoism. I. Don't. Like. The. Term.

And yes, when I heard Bushco using the term AFTER 9/11 you bet that sounded some warning bells with me. And we are in fact in trouble. And if you are so caught up with tippy toeing through life without using your common sense in fear of offending some warped sense of historical accuracy then we have no common ground.

Now, if you want to attack anyone else in this thread about the Nazi comparison please attack someone who actually made the comparison and please quit bothering me.

[ForeignSpectator]

57. so very revealing of the ideology behind it...

just wait for them to start referring to lands other than the "homeland" as additional "living space"...

[PADemD]

58. Not just "Homeland"

How about "Shock and Awe" instead of "Blitzkrieg"?

[tom_paine]

59. Why not? Under the Kinder and gentler Nazis, the Bushies, it is what we ARE

Sure it's very strange and disturbing, but WTF isn't during these days of Middle Transition to Tyranny in Amerika?

Like the 1930s Germans, we are living inside of a nation gone temporarily insane by the repeated and unopposed application of the most sophisticated propagand the world has ever known, that which makes Hitler's propaganda look clumsy and ham-fisted by comparison.

Like the 1930s German Jews we know that it is very likely, the chances increasing as the time in the furtue we are looking forward at, that liberals, intellectuals, homsexuals, and others will have the Power of the State directed their way in at best, an unjust way, and at worst a murderous way.

No, Imperial Amerika is The Homeland, and it has little or nothing to do with the nation that exised for the 224 1/2 years up until it ended on 12/12/2000.

Just as Nazi Germany was The Fatherland, and it had little or nothing to do with the nation that existed before it up until it ended on 1/30/1933.

[CrispyQ]

60. Every now & then I tape this in the back window of my truck

& I always get honks & thumbsup type responses. I think the term makes most people bristle.

[IDemo]

64. I need one of those, where did you get that?

[CrispyQ]

75. I got it at Irregular Times.

They have so many bumper stickers at the site it may be hard to find. Here's a link with a way to email them & they will send you a link to the sticker. http://irregulartimes.com/snewest.html

Here's another great one:



:thumbsup:

[Webster Green]

72. Oh...I gotta get me one of those! (n/t)

[Kip Humphrey]

61. ACHTUNG!!!

[IDemo]

63. It could be worse. He could have used "Uncleland"

to honor his two puppet masters, Uncle Karl and Unca Dick.

[Beelzebud]

67. Let's just get it over with and call it the Fatherland.

[WinkyDink]

90. Bush psychologically cannot attribute the term "Father" to any entity other than himself.

Well, except for "Father" Rev. Moon, his TRUE leader.

[spanone]

68. im with you there.

[TankLV]

71. Creepy and disturbing and FRIGHTENING...

[RB TexLa]

76. My homeland is Ireland. They don't want people thinking of their ancestral home as home.

[WinkyDink]

89. PRECISELY. Bushco Fascists want to erase our familial memories, so that ONLY THE STATE = our "blood"

[JFN1]

79. "Protect ze Homeland

UT ANY COST!!!!"

[praeclarus]

80. it's right there in chapter 5 ...

... of Fascism For Dummies.

disclaimer: I did not call them Nazis yet.

[Homer Wells]

81. Well, it seems that the term "Fatherland"

was already taken by Germany under Hitler, and Stalinist Russia was quite happy to use
"Motherland", so the only alternative name left to describe our new fascist state was "Homeland".
Makes perfect sense to me.

[praeclarus]

82. 1922

"“An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of
this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic
security and protect our homeland."
A. Hitler, 1922

(the early years)

[Homer Wells]

84. Thanks for that information!

Always glad to learn something new.

[Lifelong Protester]

86. makes my skin crawl...

and I thought I was the only one (should have known better)

[Vinca]

88. "Homeland" conjures up the images of goose-stepping soldiers

marching through the middle of a city. That wouldn't surprise me, either.