"The FISA law was written in 1978. We're having this discussion in 2006. It's a different world."

[WillyT]

Ok class...

1) Who said that.

2) Do you agree?

3) Why do so many here, in the media, and the political class seem to feel the same way about:



Are YOU all here, willing to:

...solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

That would be the office of CITIZEN.

And I sometimes really have to wonder.

:shrug:

[OzarkDem]

1. Ok, I'll try

1 Nancy Pelosi

2 No

3 I'm defending it every day...

[Elidor]

2. That one is a falsehood anyway

The FISA law has been amended many times since then, including as recently as 2004. They like to pretend its outdated, but any fool who knows what they're talking about knows that's not the case.

[WillyT]

3. So... So Far Nobody Knows Who Said That...

:shrug:

[Elidor]

4. I am keen to know who

I'm hoping it's either a republican or Joe Lieberman, but I have a sinking feeling you're going to burst my bubble.

[WillyT]

6. No, Your Bubble's Fine So Far...

But I'm amazed that nobody here recognizes the quote.

Let's give it a little more time, shall we?

:hi:

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Ultimately, All FISA Warrants Must Go Through The Judiciary

And therefore must follow the law all the way up to the Constitution - the Judiciary serves as a check on the executive (other than when we're in batshit-crazy unitary executive mode...)

My question is who can fight these laws in court if they feel they are unconstitutional?

[DeSwiss]

7. Those words were spoken by a war criminal....

President Bush talks about legalizing his domestic spying program

This post was written by Jason Easley on 28 July, 2007 (12:37)

In this week’s radio address, President Bush talked about the need to modernize the FISA to help with the battle against terrorism. After talking about visiting with the troops at Charleston Air Force Base this week, the president said, “One of the most important ways we can gather that information is by monitoring terrorist communications. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — also known as FISA — provides a critical legal foundation that allows our intelligence community to collect this information while protecting the civil liberties of Americans. But this important law was written in 1978, and it addressed the technologies of that era. This law is badly out of date — and Congress must act to modernize it.”

http://www.bloggernews.net/18968

The sad part is that Congress is even considering giving this American Hitler MORE power!!!

:mad:

[WillyT]

9. BINGO !!!

President George W. Bush smiles as he listens to reporter's question Thursday,
Jan. 26, 2006, during a press conference at the White House that covered
several topics including economy, the upcoming election year and fiscal policy.
White House photo by Kimberlee Hewitt

<snip>

Q Stepping back from the immediate NSA debate that's going on right now, Vice President Cheney recently said that the White House is reasserting its executive power. Is the NSA program part of that effort? And what do you say to Democrats who charge that you are abusing your constitutional authority?

THE PRESIDENT: I would say that there has been a historical debate between the executive branch and the legislative branch as to who's got what power. And I don't view it as a contest with the legislative branch. Maybe they view it as a contest with the executive; I just don't. I view it -- I view the decisions I've made, particularly when it comes to national security, as necessary decisions to protect the American people. That's how -- that's the lens on which I analyze things, Jonathan. And I understand we're at war with an enemy that wants to hit us again. Osama bin Laden made that clear the other day, and I take his words very seriously. And I also take my responsibility to protect the American people very seriously.

And so we're going to do what is necessary, within the Constitution and within the law, and at the same time guaranteeing people's civil liberties, to protect the people. And that's how I look at this debate. Now, there's all kinds of people taking a step back and saying well, this is this, this is that. And I recognize throughout history, people -- there have been a debate about legislative power and executive power. Part of the questions asked here today kind of reflect that debate.

I'm going to leave that to the lawyers. I believe I've been hired by the people to do my job, and that's to protect the people, and that's what I'm going to do, mindful of my authorities within the Constitution, mindful of our need to make sure that we stay within the law, and mindful of the need to protect the civil liberties of the people.

Q Mr. President, though -- this is a direct follow up to that -- the FISA law was implemented in 1978 in part because of revelations that the National Security Agency was spying domestically. What is wrong with that law if you feel you have to circumvent it and, as you just admitted, expand presidential power?

THE PRESIDENT: May I -- if I might, you said that I have to circumvent it. There -- wait a minute. That's a -- there's something -- it's like saying, you know, you're breaking the law. I'm not. See, that's what you've got to understand. I am upholding my duty, and at the same time, doing so under the law and with the Constitution behind me. That's just very important for you to understand.

Secondly, the FISA law was written in 1978. We're having this discussion in 2006. It's a different world. And FISA is still an important tool. It's an important tool. And we still use that tool. But also -- and we -- look -- I said, look, is it possible to conduct this program under the old law? And people said, it doesn't work in order to be able to do the job we expect us to do.

And so that's why I made the decision I made. And you know, "circumventing" is a loaded word, and I refuse to accept it, because I believe what I'm doing is legally right.

<snip>

Link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/20060126.html

Notice that they didn't scrub it.

:banghead:

[Flying Dream Blues]

10. LIAR!!! LIAR!!!! My head explodes. nt

[Duer 157099]

8. Here's who said it:

[defendandprotect]

11. It's also "a different world now," because of the neo-con created 9/11 --

We need a real investigation of 9/11 --
I understand that some of the records of intelligence they got pre-9/11 have been destroyed already.
No way they couldn't have know . . .
and no way that the alleged 19 hijackers could have wired the three towers for demoliton.