Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

FROM THE ARCHIVES: BEST AYN RAND POST EVER....

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:54 PM
Original message
FROM THE ARCHIVES: BEST AYN RAND POST EVER....
With Ayn Rand in the news, I thought I'd dig up a "Best of DU" post...

DUer Telly Savalas from 10/2005:

Ella turned towards the window, folded her arms, and said, "Kent, I cannot understand why you read that drivel. If there's anything worse than a bad political philosopher, it's a bad political philosopher who writes bad novels to present her flawed ideas. It's bad enough when she writes nonfiction works that foist assertions and conjecture on the reader and tries to pass it off as 'reason', but when she tries to dress it up in a fictional work with one-dimensional characters and a cheesy plot, it's downright putrid. I'd go so far as to say that her writings dishonor the thousands of years of evolution required for humans to develop language skills.

"The worst element of her 'writing' is how utterly ridiculous the dialogue is. In real life people converse with one another, they don't take turns delivering speeches to one another. If she'd ever spent anytime actually interacting with another human being who wasn't clinically insane, she'd know this and it would be reflected in her writing.

"Furthermore, don't you think she could go to more effort to be a bit more terse? I mean, Jesus Christ, I've seen bumperstickers that are more nuanced than one of her novels, so I don't see why she can't be more succinct in the exposition of her cheap little 'ideas'. Does it really take an 800 page novel to say "guvmint bad, capitalism good"?

"Face it, Kent. She's a second-rate hack that makes Jackie Collins look like Dostoevsky. Put that shit down and do something a bit more intellectually engaging. For instance, there's a Dukes of Hazzard marathon on the country network. Try watching that instead."

Kent set the book on the table and glanced up at Ella.

"Ella," he said, "I see your collectivist friends have poisoned your mind with these bizarre ideas about word economy and multi-dimensional characters. Such things are only devices to enslave the Individualist. Every word the Individualist says is a gift to the universe, so the universe benefits the more he speaks. Hence all this silliness about being brief when trying to make a point does not apply to the Individualist.

"Let's be clear, Ella, that when I say the Individualist gives a gift to the world by expressing his thoughts, it is not altruism that motivates the giving of this gift. No. No. No. Altruism is an evil sentiment that only results in atrocities like child labor laws and homeless people being fed. Thus the Individualist is ego-driven. By satisfying my own desires and showing complete contempt for the needs of others, I make the laissez-faire capitalist system work as it should and the benefits rain down on everyone. Although many economists prefer to use the term 'trickle down.'

"For instance, when I enriched your life last week by giving you a 45 minute lecture on the necessity of abolishing the capital gains tax, I didn't do it because I wanted to please you. Rather I did it because I love the sound of my own voice. The fact that you were enlightened by my observations is only secondary. Nevertheless it demonstrates my point about how being selfish is superior to being altruistic. Had I been altruistic and payed heed to you wish for me to...what was that phrase you used repeatedly? 'Shut the fuck up', I believe it was? Well, had I done that, then you'd have spent the rest of your life unaware of the great thoughts that course through my mind on an hourly basis.

"Yes, Ella. It amazes me how unwilling the collectivist mind is to accept the truth. Why wasn't it just last week when you were claiming that society should chain down the Individual by using some of his resources to aid victims of Hurricane Katrina? After I was able to overcome my feeling of horror and disgust that you would suggest denying the Individual his Freedom, I successfully rebutted your point by observing that A equals A, therefore it logically follows that the so called victims should fend for themselves and not depend on the altruism of collectivists. Rather than daring to challenge this impenetrable logic, you simply dismissed my comments by calling me an asshole. Were I a petty collectivist, I might have taken offense at that remark. However, I am a noble Individual and know that your hurtful words were motivated by your envy of my superior intellect. For it is individuals such as I who propel society forward.

"Um...the Individual's freedom should be regarded as...um...Egoism is the one true...um...er...what was it we were talking about, Ella?"


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4973593#4975243
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:21 PM
Response to Original message
1. You sure his name's Kent and not Rush?
Hehe

Ayn Rand apparently went over the deep end when opposing communism. Not many people in this country like communism, but we don't need to go to the other pole and embrace mean spirited deathbringing Republicans twisted version of capitalism.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. I can't hear the name 'Ayn Rand' without thinking about Telly's post...
It was THAT good. Took about 20 minutes to dig it out of the archives.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:24 PM
Response to Original message
3. What a hoot!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
4. I am always have Hitchens remark on her at hand. In a rare sober, former life, he quipped:
"Her sole redeeming known characteristic was her ardent atheism."

I wonder how long a woman could nurse a grudge about her family being on the losing side of a revolution, well, it seems 75 years!

I prefer the term "wizened old Russian chain-smoking crone" myself, though that is an offense to all those old, wizended, chain-smokers, Russian and crones.

I have never known what A equals A means in her mythology, although I am told that it is profound.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. A equals B and B equals C therefore A equals C. A equals A is meaningless.
It doesn't even bother to make an argument. It is true but so what?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. A does not equal A
A does not equal A

A changes over space-time.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. :) nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
23. Topologically speaking, A is a Klein bottle
:silly:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. It's from Aristotle.
My brother is an ardent "Objectivist" and has thrown "A is A" around a lot in the past, so I researched it.

Basically, it's Aristotle's "Law of Identity," meaning that something is what it is and cannot simultaneously be something else. To wit:

"To have an identity means to have a single identity; an object cannot have two identities. A tree cannot be a telephone, and a dog cannot be a cat. Each entity exists as something specific, its identity is particular, and it cannot exist as something else." http://importanceofphilosophy.com/Metaphysics_Identity.html

What it has to do with "Objectivist" dogma is another question entirely. All I know is that my brother seems to love Aristotle because of this and hates Plato.

Go figure.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
15. A = A simple justification for black/white reduction. Some people need it. nt
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 01:12 PM by glitch
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. That sounds about right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 11:57 PM
Response to Original message
7. "For instance, there's a Dukes of Hazzard marathon on"
LOL :rofl:

That was great, thanks for reposting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:04 AM
Response to Original message
8. >snrk< That's truly wonderful. I missed it on the first pass, so many thanks for the laugh.
:rofl:

Hekate

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. 'welcome. Occasionally, someone hits a homer. This one was...
out of the park.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 06:48 AM
Response to Original message
10. Hey, thanks!
God, I can't stand that woman.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. I remember that post. It was fantastic.
:applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #10
16. No, thank you for a great piece of humor...
:applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 01:11 PM
Response to Original message
14. this is brilliant. I LOATHE ayn rand
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. ditto
K&R
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 03:37 PM
Response to Original message
17. Priceless. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 03:55 PM
Response to Original message
19. even better the second go 'round.
Love it Telly!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:04 PM
Response to Original message
21. to be fair
Edward Bellamy did the same thing - one dimensional characters who gave speeches, but his book was only about 180 pages.

That was hilarious. Those books still seem to be a poison that infects our society, and at the top too - Greenspan, et. al.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 05:09 PM
Response to Original message
22. thanks for posting this, I hadn't seen it before
It's got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read as well as being wickedly accurate satire.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 06:08 PM
Response to Original message
24. ttt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 08:07 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC