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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:40 PM
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BEDSIDE VISIT: Gonzo says NOT ABOUT TSP. Cheney SAYS IT WAS:
"But certainly I was involved because I was a big advocate of the Terrorist Surveillance Program"

Cheney on Trip to Ashcroft's Hospital Bedside: "I Don't Recall"
By Paul Kiel - July 31, 2007, 4:52 PM
From Dick Cheney's interview tonight with Larry King:
Q In that regard, The New York Times -- which, as you said, is not your favorite -- reports it was you who dispatched Gonzales and Andy Card to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft's hospital in 2004 to push Ashcroft to certify the President's intelligence-gathering program. Was it you?
THE VICE PRESIDENT: I don't recall -- first of all, I haven't seen the story. And I don't recall that I gave instructions to that effect.
Q That would be something you would recall.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: I would think so. But certainly I was involved because I was a big advocate of the Terrorist Surveillance Program, and had been responsible and working with General Hayden and George Tenet to get it to the President for approval. By the time this occurred, it had already been approved about 12 times by the Department of Justice. There was nothing new about it.
Q So you didn't send them to get permission.
THE VICE PRESIDENT: I don't recall that I was the one who sent them to the hospital.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003825.php#comments
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:41 PM
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1. I bet Gonzo hates getting out of bed in the mornings anymore. He never
knows who's gonna blow his story.
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:45 PM
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3. ...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:49 PM
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7. OMG! Is that supposed to be Gonzo?
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 09:42 PM
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10. Yup.
Meeting Oscar, the Death Cat... :evilgrin:
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 10:07 PM
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12. That photo needs an answering machine in the background playing...
..... "aaaahhhh, yyeah.... Al, Just waiting to hear back from you on those TSP reports.... yeeah...." :rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:45 PM
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4. Specter was just on cnn. and is waiting for Letter from gonzo (due at High noon but is late)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:44 PM
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2. He must be on some mighty powerful drugs to be able to keep that smirk on his face
going through all he is going through.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:46 PM
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5. Now, which liar do you believe?
There's a question that should take some thought.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 04:48 PM
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6. there is alot more to this story, and of course they are not telling
us. Maybe more than one surveillance program just guessing.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:18 PM
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8. or they were spying on Americans & got around it by outsourcing surveillance to cronies
corporations off shore.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 05:21 PM
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9. Check out this Frontline-Was Las Vegas a test for a TIA type program?:



Spying on the Home Front also looks at a massive FBI data sweep in December 2003. On a tip that Al Qaeda "might have an interest in Las Vegas" around New Year's 2004, the FBI demanded records from all hotels, airlines, rental car agencies, casinos and other businesses on every person who visited Las Vegas in the run-up to the holiday. Stephen Sprouse and Kristin Douglas of Kansas City, Mo., object to being caught in the FBI dragnet in Las Vegas just because they happened to get married there at the wrong moment. Says Douglas, "I'm sure that the government does a lot of things that I don't know about, and I've always been OK with that -- until I found out that I was included."

A check of all 250,000 Las Vegas visitors against terrorist watch lists turned up no known terrorist suspects or associates of suspects. The FBI told FRONTLINE that the records had been kept for more than two years, but have now all been destroyed.

In the broad reach of NSA eavesdropping, the massive FBI data sweep in Las Vegas, access to records gathered by private database companies that allows government agencies to avoid the limitations provided by the Privacy Act, and nearly 200 other government data-mining programs identified by the Government Accounting Office, experienced national security officials and government attorneys see a troubling and potentially dangerous collision between the strategy of pre-emption and the Fourth Amendment's protections against unreasonable search and seizure.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/etc/synopsis.html
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 09:56 PM
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11. Do all these asshats suffer from Alzheimer's??
What is with all the "I don't recall" answers?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 10:09 PM
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13. "I don't recall" means if one answers the question truthfullly
it leads to a criminal charge or charges.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 10:22 PM
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14. If there was video of Cheney ordering Gonzo's visit? Cheney would claim it was made in Hollywood...!
THE VICE PRESIDENT: I don't recall that I was the one who sent them to the hospital?

The New York Times report it was Cheney who dispatched Gonzales and Card to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft's hospital room? -- And the new York Times position is they don't recall printing the story?
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