CNN is actually worse than fox

[still_one]

We know what fox is, but cnn is perceived by many as somewhat neutral, and that is blatantly false. They are just a different propaganda piece for this administration.

Today I was in a restaurant where they had CNN on, and their was a discussion with "reporters", generals, and analysts, how the surge was "working", and how al queada is on the run, with the implication that it was al queada that is responsible for most of the violence. This one CNN reporter said he could walk without any armour in al anbar provience where before he couldn't

I have no doubt that where American forces are, there is probably less violence, but the moment they move out, the insurgents will come right back in

This is the same crap they fed us for 10 years in Viet Nam, except the media wasn't inhibited from reporting then, it was just the politicians and military who lied to us. Today, the media is an agent of the politicians


We will pay a high price both in money and lives for this

We are so screwed. Five years from now when nothing has changed, what will they say then

Remember, the killing stopped in Viet Nam AFTER WE LEFT

Today Viet Nam is a market driven economy, in spite of what we did

[malaise]

1. Have you seen their new ads

about Trust. Michael Moore exposed their lies so publicly that they are now bombarding us with new bullshit ads

[still_one]

3. no. I haven't watched the cable news in this country since what they did to Kerry

with the swift boat ads

The only reason I caught this was because they had it on in the place I was at

I did see the internet video of the Michael Moore with Sanjay Gupta, and others, and he definitely spoke truth to power

However, I also saw video of CNN lou dobbs and others snipping Moore, labeling him as a Chavez or Castro like person, which I also found amazing because they obviously couldn't win on the facts so they change the subject

[madokie]

39. three weeks ago this coming tuesday I turned the likes of cnn and msnbc off

except for KO that is and I don't think I have missed a durn thing either. the straw that broke my back was the kupta hit piece on Michael Moore, I've reminded them of this via email on a good half dozen times already and plan to continue up to and until I totally forget about it.

[Morereason]

30. I agree. CNN is more careful, but are almost as biased. I rarely read them.

[dorkulon]

2. The power of American propaganda is the illusion of choice.

At least in the Soviet Union, there was only one official version of the truth, and most everyone knew it was bullshit. Here, you have a "choice" between pure bullshit and bullshit lite -- Fox and CNN, Republicans and Democrats. People pick sides, but it's all stil largely bullshit.

Not to say the Dems aren't better, but let's not pretend they're bastions of integrity.

[still_one]

5. There is the internet, and international sources which they haven't got to yet /nt

[dorkulon]

8. True, but more than 80% of Americans get their news from TV. (nt)

[still_one]

15. Newspapers are definitely better than TV here, but that is a very sad affair

if Americans mostly rely on TV for their news

I guess we are the most informed people regarding, Britney, Paries, and Lindsey though

[dorkulon]

37. Reading is like kryptonite for most Americans, sad to say.

This country watches TV. That's how they still think Saddam caused 9/11 and Al Gore thinks he invented the internet. That's why they think the most impartant political story of the week is a minor squabble between two people running for president in over a year.

This country is profoundly ignorant, and it's TV's fault.

[Marr]

14. US media plays opinion as news.

You mentioned people picking sides, but real news doesn't ask you to pick a side. It's just data... just facts. You as a viewer are free to interpret events as you choose. You may even see a panel discussion with different interpretations of events, but the bulk of news is just "x happened at Y today".

We haven't got that in the US anymore, of course-- it's all opinion, all spin, all pundits all the time. The remaining time is filled with gossip and entertainment garbage. There are no facts. There's no room for news.

[still_one]

17. Good point, and other than PBS, Bloomberg actually does a fair job of reporting

news. Believe it or not so does the Wall Street Journal. Note, I am not talking about the WSJ editorial page, just their reporting of news. However, if murdock is successful, I can imagine where that will go

[Marr]

23. Yep- the WSJ has had good news coverage in the past. I think

that's specifically the reason Murdoch wanted it. It's audience is precisely the people he most wants to influence as well.

[dorkulon]

36. I agree, and this is why I think liberal talk radio struggles for an audience.

Personally, I can't really listen to Air America because I don't need anyone telling me what to think, even if I agree with them. All I want is a fair, neutral presentation of facts, and I will decide what I think. Conservatives have been demonstrated to be more authoritarian in their thinking, and thrive on constant repetition and reaffirmation of their doctrine. Repubs listen to Rush and Laura Ingraham; I'd rather listen to NPR or BBC than Randi Rhodes or Mike Malloy.

[Marr]

42. I know what you mean.

There are some liberal hosts I really enjoy-- Thom Hartmann is great, for instance. He has some really good discussions on his show, and I think it's because he has alot of conservatives on, and doesn't rant. He just makes an argument, and deconstructs the conservative argument.

I don't want people telling me what to think, either-- but if someone wants to tell me what they think and *why*, I'll be interested to hear it. The problem with conservative commentary is that they're very willing to tell you what they believe (and what you should believe), but they're never honest about *why* they hold that position. The underlying position (greed is good, might makes right, screw the poor, etc.) is very unappealing and they know they need to couch it in alot of visceral ranting. I don't think liberals really need to that.

[NotGivingUp]

18. Were you listening to Noam Chomsky yesterday?

He was saying that very same thing about the Soviet Union. It was a great interview.

[still_one]

20. Where was he speaking? /nt

[NotGivingUp]

27. I was able to listen to him online. It was being broadcast on WNUR 89.3 FM Chicago.

I'm going to search around online and see if there are any transcripts of the interview. I will post the link if I find anything.

[Miss Chybil]

21. Was he on CNN?

Just curious... :P

[NotGivingUp]

28. I WISH! It would be great for more people to hear him.

No, he was being broadcast on WNUR 89.3 FM in Chicago. I was able to listen to him online at wnur.org. I'm going to post the link if I can find the transcripts.

[dorkulon]

33. CHomsky's too "radical" for TV, but Coulter's fine of course.

The last thing the MSM wants to put on is someone who knows what they're talking about.

[dorkulon]

32. Nope. But great minds and all that...

Just kidding. Glad to be in such good company though.

[mmonk]

4. Yes. The less obvious ones are the most dangerous

when giving misinformation.

[EV_Ares]

6. Totally Agree; people really do know that Fox News is a biased

project spouting the White House garbage. Some like Fox because it is what it is but others don't put much credibility in it because of it being what it is.

However, CNN is a different animal and people do think it is a legitimate news site, unlike Fox which makes it dangers as you say.

CNN is a snake in the grass.

[still_one]

7. or the rattlesnake without the rattle. They sure screwed up what Turner had started /nt

[devilgrrl]

9. Good call. I could slap Ted Turner for selling it to begin with.

:wtf: was he thinking?

[spanone]

10. & Rupert Murdoch is about to buy the Wall Street Journal....kiss it all goodbye

when the news corps are profit centers the business is to beat the competition, not report the

most honest news.

[still_one]

13. Tomorrow we will know. I hope the Bancrofts are able to beat back murdock /nt

[spanone]

16. We'll see if they have any conscience.......5 + billion goes a long way

[still_one]

19. Which will make it even more amazing if they turn down his offer /nt

[EV_Ares]

38. I know, I was hoping the huge conglomerate ownership of the media would

be stopped with this congress and even some broken up, especially Murdoch. However, it appears to be going full speed ahead.

[Marr]

11. Yes, the US version of CNN is basically propaganda. There's another version of CNN called

CNN International that you get over in Europe. It's completely different from the outright Pravda garbage we get here. Even CNNi is still right of center as European media goes, but it still makes domestic CNN look like Fox News, literally. Most of CNNi's bias is done the old fashioned way-- through omission. Domestic CNN actively promotes government talking points and propaganda.

The lack of news coverage in the United States really is stunning. It's incredibly difficult to get news in this country. We've got plenty of propaganda (both the government and corporate varieties), and plenty of tabloid gossip-- but an American citizen who just wants to read legitimate *news* has to jump through some very serious hoops.

[still_one]

12. That is why it is critical that they don't censor or take the internet away from us

We really do have Gore to thank for the internet, because if he hadn't pushed the legislation to allow that medium, it would even be more difficult to find out what is happening

[Marr]

22. It'd be almost impossible to get news in this country without the internet, yes.

And yet- how many people actually have internet access in this country, and have the time (or the inclination) to search for news and read it online? We're talking about a small segment of the population. It's a very important segment, to be sure-- but a small one.

I was lucky enough to work over in Europe for awhile and when I got there, I was just blown away by how accessible the news was. It was right there on TV-- real news, I mean-- not pundits. The papers were relatively balanced in their coverage. And best of all, most people seemed to be aware of current happenings, because the news was balanced and easily accessible. You could have a discussion with people and never once have to address some ridiculous, dipshit talking point, because that's just not how their media works.

[broadcaster]

24. People don't have time..its drive time radio, evening news...

So what most Americans get are NPR or their favorite morning radio news and then after work if at all, an hour of cable or broadcast TV, but younger people do use the net a lot more, but I'm guessing they don't search for alternative news sources.

The net is indeed a livesaver to being able to find alternative information, and I hope that more and more Americans take time to search out alternative sources.

Domestic CNN is pretty sad, and while CNNi is far better, it does 'omission-editing' but at least is not so championship wrestling in its presentation and mean spirited argumentation and trivialization.

I cannot imagine trying to understand the world based upon what domestic CNN, Fox, CBS, ABC, and MSNBC show us. Likewise, I cannot imagine relying upon the New York Times or the Washington Post either.
All of these outlets have a corporate point of view and just aren't for the citizens.

[sammythecat]

25. We all know Micheal Moore was

dead right when he slammed Wolf Blitzer. Wolf Blitzer knew it too. Blitzer, and the others, acted entirely out of self-interest and cowardice in the face of the bush administration. They will never, EVER, admit to this because to do so, would be to admit their complicity in the tragedy of the last 7 years. And they WERE complicit. Had they done their jobs many thousands of people would still be alive.

Blitzer and the others are a disgrace and I fear it may take a generation until we get rid of them.

[Hun Joro]

26. It's not just Fox and CNN, it's all of them

This morning I watched a little of Face the Nation, and it seemed to me that Bob Schieffer spoke with a tone of disdain to Patrick Leahy and seemed more respectful to Arlen Specter. It's subtle, but I see this kind of different treatment everywhere. It makes me want to scream.

[KAT119]

29. K&R n/t

[nancyr]

31. CNN propaganda

I find CNN even more vile than Fox because they pretend to be merely reporting the news, while FOX is openly a tool of the right-wing powers that be. They have absolutely no integrity or credibility. This is basically true of all "news" on t.v. It truly is nothing but pure hogwash, and I gave up wasting my time on it years ago. CNN did have one decent newscaster, Aaron Brown, who didn't last long before he was booted out. Guess he wasn't flashy enough for them. And yet....they still have that inane Wolf Blitzer? Geez.

[still_one]

35. That was my exact thoughts /nt

[rhiannon55]

41. I don't know...Aaron Brown seemed like a rw shill as well

I wish I had an example to cite, but I remember him being pro-war.

[European Socialist]

34. And what hole did that Dbag Glen Beck crawl out of !!!

[cascadiance]

40. I pretty much only tune into Democracy Now or CSPAN any more...

and every once in a while tun into KO on MSNBC, John Stewart or Patrick Colbert on Comedy Central, or other news shows like International Dateline, etc. on Free Speech TV or Link TV. I really don't watch the MSM much any more.

[Cha]

43. All that and they have

glen fascistmouth beck tooling for them.

[cynatnite]

44. It comes and goes...

on CNN and MSNBC. Sometimes there is unbiased, sometimes biased leaning towards the right and sometimes it's Lindsey Lohan. It's all corporate media the way I see it...say whatever it takes to make a buck.

Faux is pure propaganda...that's it.

[brentspeak]

45. CNN does have one thing in their favor: their reporting on the scourge of outsourcing

Both Lou Dobbs' reports and the CNN News reports are practically the only news reporting on outsourcing that the mainstream media has done. All the other networks have happily been accepting the corporate bribe NOT to report on outsourcing.

[Puregonzo1188]

46. Sadly, many people still believe CNN is "liberal"

[defendandprotect]

47. TURN IT OFF/PULL THE PLUG ON THE TV'S . . . . !!!! PLEASE!!!!