O'Reilly: "Maybe it's time to burn down the capitol building like Hitler did with the Reichstag"

[FourScore]

AMERICABLOG:

"Maybe it's time to burn down the capitol building like Hitler did with the Reichstag building."

And how do jetBlue and Home Depot, big supporters of O'Reilly, feel about launching a terrorist attack against the US Capitol that would assassinate all 535 members of the US Congress?

http://www.americablog.com/2007/07/billoreillycom-suggests-terrorist.html

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. First time I have ever sort of agreed with Billo

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. Yeah. I'm So Out Of Line Lately Using The Terms Extremist And Irrational.

:rofl:

[Deep13]

2. Hey, why not.

He invited terrorists to blow up the entire city of San Fransisco.

[enki23]

3. 1) Hitler almost certainly did not burn down the Reichstag

2) O'Reilly is a fucking wannabe terrorist nut.

[zehnkatzen]

8. No, that's true, *he* didn't...

But it's quite possible that someone in Herr Hitler's camp inveigled someone too stupid to say 'no' into doing it.

The reputation of Marinus vanderLubbe (the actual arson) that's come down the years is that he was a simple man, easily duped.

Even if the Nazis had no actual culpability, they were quite ready to capitalize on the panic it created.

[enki23]

38. did i say anything about "capitalizing on..." the event? is that relevent here at all?

the point here is that o'reilly is not only a dangerous nutcase, he's a pig ignorant dangerous nutcase. it is highly unlikely, given the evidence, that hitler or any of his cronies burned the reichstag. *that* idea was originally hatched by a group of communists who had significant motive to discredit the nazis. that isn't to say the nazis didn't deserve discrediting. but it might be significant that the same people who pushed that idea also pushed--at the same time--the idea that the nazi party was a front for a secret society of jewish bankers. not exactly a credible source. that the nazis *might* have wanted to do a thing is not very good evidence that they *did* do a thing.

the reichstag fire was almost certainly the work of a lone nutcase, nominally associated with the communist party. he was captured at the scene, admitted the act, claimed to have acted alone, had a history of arson, and, in spite of the strong nazi desire to lay the blame at the feet of all the communists, was the only person convicted of the crime.

[FourScore]

52. FYI, van der Lubbe's conviction was posthumously overturned in 1981.

He wasn't guilty of it. Or if he was, it is generally agreed upon that he couldn't have been the "mastermind" or acted alone.

[Tempest]

10. Not personally

But some German historians believe the idea was hatched by Goring and Goebbels and was approved by Hitler.

[warren pease]

29. MIHOP or LIHOP? Same shit, different century n/t

[FourScore]

12. Uhh..Historians would disagree.

Although there is no concrete evidence, there is much speculation that Hitler was behind the fire at the Reichstag. It was THE leading event that opened the door to his dictatorial powers. And if anyone was capable of something like that, certainly it was Hitler and his cabal.

[enki23]

36. uhh.. you may want to research that one.

.

[FourScore]

51. Lived in Berlin for 12 years.

Studied there. Worked there. Speak fluent german. I have a VERY SOLID understanding of german history, particularly from the Nazi era. I could provide links to some excellent sources, but it's not really that important to me to set you straight on this. You can look it up for yourself.

[Warren Stupidity]

54. You might want to back up your astounding assertion

with some credible evidence.

[Richard Steele]

56. It's been done. The Nazis burned it down- end of story. nm

[struggle4progress]

55. Well, Goebbels was certainly involved:

The Nuremberg War Crimes Trail in 1946 yielded testimony such as that of Hans Bernd Gisevius, a junior lawyer for the German political police from August 1933 to December 1933 who stated for the record that “It was Goebbels who first came up with the idea of setting fire to the Reichstag. Goebbels discussed this with the leader of the Berlin SA brigade, Karl Ernst, and made detailed suggestions on how to go about carrying out the arson. A certain tincture known to every pyrotechnician was selected. You spray it onto an object and then it ignites after a certain time, after hours or minutes. In order to get into the Reichstag building, they needed the passageway that leads from the palace of the Reichstag President to the Reichstag. A unit of ten reliable SA men was put together, and now Göring was informed of all the details of the plan, so that he coincidentally was not out holding an election speech on the night of the fire, but was still at his desk in the Ministry of the Interior at such a late hour... The intention right from the start was to put the blame for this crime on the Communists, and those ten SA men who were to carry out the crime were instructed accordingly.”

Newspapers such as Pariser Tageblatt, which provided daily news to German immigrants and exiles living in Paris offered important details such as those provided in their interview of SA member Adolf Rall, published on December 24, 1933, which read in part: “He (Rall) stated he was a member of the SA’s “Sturm 17” unit. Before the Reichstag fire broke out, he had been in the subterranean passageway that connects the Reichstag assembly building to the building in which the government apartment of the Reich President (Hermann Göring) is located. Rall said that he had personally witnessed various members of his SA unit bringing the explosive liquids into the building.” Adolf Rall was later murdered by the SA and the Gestapo. http://abelashes.com/page4.html

[struggle4progress]

57. "General Franz Halder .. recalled at Nuremberg how .. Goering had boasted ..:

At a luncheon on the birthday of the Fuehrer in 1942 the conversation turned to the topic of the Reichstag building and its artistic value. I heard with my own ears when Goering interrupted the conversation and shouted: "The only one who really knows about the Reichstag is I, because I set it on fire!" With that he slapped his thigh with the flat of his hand."

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
by William L. Shirer
Simon and Schuster, 1960

excerpt here: http://www.maebrussell.com/Articles%20and%20Notes/Rise%20and%20Fall%20of%20the%20Third%20Reich.html

[rodeodance]

4. If a kid in school said this, I bet the police would be called!!

[hisownpetard]

44. This is true. Why are the Feds not on O'Reilly's doorstep right now?? eom

[bdamomma]

5. omg, bill said that, he should be arrested for saying that.

"launching a terrorist attack against the US Capitol" that is treasonous and criminal talk there. OMG :wow:

[tblue37]

34. I can't tell from the small print. DID Bill say that himself, or was that another poster

replying to the first poster?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. Didn't Pat Robertson say something about wanting to have bomb Foggy Bottom with nukes? Nothing

happened to him.

[Phredicles]

6. Hey, he's admitting he regards Hitler as a role model.

Can't say I'm surprised.

[Mz Pip]

7. And he's ragging on Kos?

I am not a doctor. I do not play one on TV nor have I stayed at a Holiday Inn, but IMHO Orally really needs to get back on his meds.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Clark2008]

18. I passed by a Holiday Inn today and I agree with you.

:hi:

[originalpckelly]

22. Even when we've had weird violent things, they never align themselves with Nazis.

I mean that's just kind of a weird thing, no one likes Nazis, well except for one patron of Billy's website.

[liberal N proud]

9. Doesn't that constitute terrorism?

Shouldn't he be arrested by the Homeland Security thugs? Hauled off to Gitmo or something?

[sarcasmo]

11. Maybe Billo is in on the plan. Look for something big to happen before the end of 2007.

IMHO of course.

[CJCRANE]

20. Hmmm, seems Rovian to me.

There is a strong suspicion (in the blogosphere) that the neocons want to burn down the Capitol Building...but instead of denying it they simply get their no.1 blowhard to say it's a good idea...

[Virginia Dare]

13. How does that make him different than Osama Bin Laden?.n/t

[soleft]

14. Already happened, it's called 9/11

[Marr]

15. You're quoting an anonymous poster,correct?

Not Bill O'Reilly himself. I see the relevance of this, considering the way he's attacked DailyKos- just trying to clarify.

[NewJeffCT]

25. yes, that is what they're doing

O'Reilly attributed a few random quotes from DailyKos to imply they're a bunch of Nazis...

But, maybe that is a compliment to O'Reilly since he has repeatedly called out the American troops in WW2 for killing poor, defenseless Nazis at Malmedy late in WW2. The reality is that it was the Nazis who killed the defenseless Americans, who had just surrendered.

[Igel]

39. And the response was that making those attributions was

wrong.

Not repub wrong, not dem wrong.

Wrong. Because it's misleading and tars everybody with the same brush, regardless of what they actually believe. Guilt by association, in other words.

But it's less wrong, IMO, than intentionally ignoring part of the contents of the DU post so it can be said that O'Reilley supports the idea--and that, in turn, isn't as bad as lying and saying the words were produced by ol' Bill himself.

[blogslut]

16. This is one of O'Lielly.com's commentors

Bill O has been slamming KOS and Lefty bloggers as harbingers of hate, promoters of fascism and general all-around bad people. When confronted about the violent and dangerous comments made by posters on his own message board, Billy threw the expected hissy fit. He blamed those comments on disrupters from KOS that infiltrated his board. A few problems with O'Lielly's accusation;

1) To comment on his site, one must pay a 50.00 annual fee.

2) John Aravosis has found several scary comments made by BillO site members that have more than 1000 posts - meaning these are no driveby posts.

3) The Secret Service has asked the FBI to investigate threats against Hillary Clinton made by long-time commentors of the BillO site.

[Buzz Clik]

17. Does anyone here really believe O'Reilly is advocating burning the capitol?

The entire reason why I abandoned right wing bulletin boards was to get away from mindless crap like this.

Yes, O'Reilly is an ass, but Sweet Jesus! He is not suggesting we burn down the capitol.

[I Have A Dream]

23. No, but if someone on the left were to say the same thing...

the right (as you said) and the corporate media would be all over it. Why should there be double standards? Why does the press not give the same coverage when the right spouts garbage like this?

[Buzz Clik]

26. Fine. They're assholes, and we're not. I'm not joining the asshole brigade.

[MindPilot]

28. No, Billo wants to burn down Coit Tower.

Which ironically enough was built as a tribute to firefighters.

[rodeodance]

41. Coit Tower?? whatever for??

[MindPilot]

48. I believe he sees it as a phallic symbol and is embarrassed

what with his own diminutive condition and all.

...O'Reilly went on. "And if al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/11/11/MNGFMFMNV41.DTL

[Mz Pip]

46. No but he's painted Kos

with a broad brush by singling out a couple of anonymous posters and then going after the Democrats who are participating in a debate as being guilty by association.

Here's bullshit on his site so using his logic, he is guilty by association.

No I don't think Orally is suggesting that we burn down the capitol but he's nuts to demonize Kos for crap when crap turns up on his site.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Buzz Clik]

47. Yes, O'Reilly is a gigantic ass.

But he isn't a terra-ist

[IDemo]

19. today's WORST.....PERSON.......IN THE WORLD!!

[cynatnite]

30. Again...

KO will have a field day with that one.

[Janice325]

42. I agree!!!!

k&r

[cascadiance]

21. Boy it seems like more and more of the Amerika series plot line is becoming reality!

... now they're talking about trashing the Capitol like what happened in that TV miniseries too!

These people are just plain nazis!

[ProgressiveFool]

24. wow, is he playing, "Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?"

Assuming that Bill O'Reilly is an influential person, isn't there a danger that some nutbag will take him seriously?

[JHB]

27. It may be to late, but I'd suggest the OP fix its subject line...

...to "BillOReilly.com: "Maybe..."", since this isn't about something BillO said. It's about him likening DKos and others to Neo-Nazi and KKK sites, as well as not noticing the plank in his own eye.

[sutz12]

31. Wow, irony writ large...

Bill-O obviously has oo clue about history. You would think that his continuing admiration for the whole Hitler regime would kind of give his supporters a clue.....but then, maybe they are getting what they want, an authoritarian government that tells them in simple terms who to hate.

Do you suppose he has any clue whatsoever what really happened after the Reichstag fire? It doesn't appear so.

:shrug:

[madmom]

33. why is he not being investigated for this terrorist statement?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

35. Are his ratings really slipping?

Lately it seems that he's been saying virtually anything sensational and kooky just to get people to talk about him.

[Lorien]

40. We'll never know what they think. The left doesn't harass and boycott

corporate sponsors the way the right does.Look at what happened to the Dixie Chicks; the Freepers organized and had their music taken off of nearly every country station in the US for a time-just because Natalie Maines said that she's ashamed that Bush was from Texas. We don't organize to take down anyone no matter how horrible their statements because half of DU would be saying "it's an issue of freedom of speech-O'Lielly can say whatever he likes" while others would say "a boycott changes nothing-let's focus on the 2008 election"! Meanwhile the right fights their battles on every front while we haggle over which battles are worth fighting. Like Will Rogers said "I don't belong to an organized political party; I'm a Democrat". Until we do get organized and on the same page, and until we do cease to "pick and choose" our battles, "keeping our powder dry" and instead leap into the fray at every opportunity to gain every bit of ground possible, nothing will ever change.

[progressoid]

43. Hello? Dept of Homeland Security? Bill's suggesting terrorist acts on our Govt.

[AngryOldDem]

45. ONCE AGAIN, I ask....

Is this not a terrorist threat?

Also, I am not the least bit surprised to hear this. The Right would love nothing more.

[Disturbed]

49. Why has O' Liely started a slam campaign against KOS?

That group is gaining in power on the Left. He wants to sabotage them.

[eppur_se_muova]

50. OK, ANOTHER reason to report O'Really to the Secret Service. nt

[Swamp Rat]

53. Ok, O'Reilly just made an open threat of terrorism against the USA.

He should be arrested and charged for instigating an act of terrorism against the USA and members of Congress.

[Ilsa]

58. If we perceive an imminent threat, can we seize/block his assets

and haul his stinking ass down to GITMO?