I am ready to give up , not that anyone should care

[blues90]

Looking at all the crap bush has spewed out in the last week along with his insane new signing statement of how at will they can freeze your assets and basically toss you out in the street with some statement that is written to confuse , it can involve just about any movement you make that they consider fouling up their illegal wars .

Then I watch the senate and congress crawl through their never ending process and so far we have some almost useless min wage by todays standards .

I look at the Dems running for president and if Gore does not run and Kucinich has no chance then I may skip voting altogether , I am sick of the better of two evils crap .

Now lately we have new news of terroist attacks , with maybe / possibly garbage looming around and in the air .

Impeachment IS the only way we will get past this and this sits in some old closet molding and vaperizing , sitting next to the shreaded constitution .

I was not political much until bush came along . I have become very angry and tired watching things get worse as we sit by and watch as our home burns down and the water is shut off .

We will never know the truth behind 9/11 , hell we are still dealing with JFK's murder .

I don't think very many people see or even know how bad things are now , sure maybe on these sites but no where else other than liberal talk radio .

You or I can look around and nothing really seems different , it's like the bombs are hidden and well placed ready to go off with the thumbs of many insane madmen on the trigger laughing .

[CountAllVotes]

1. try to think positive!

Maybe RFK, Jr. or Al Gore or Wes Clark or someone else that has a real ability/skill/message will run? The game is far from over! Remember that!

Remember 1968! :D :D :D

It can happen again! YES.

:kick:

[judaspriestess]

2. give up what?

just asking.

[blues90]

4. Give up thinking things will change for the better .

[judaspriestess]

11. don't give up

its an uphill battle but we must never give up.

[petgoat]

54. Go ahead, give up. Take a break. Fuggedaboutit. Do something else.

In a week you'll be back on track.

[Individualist]

3. Don't skip voting; write-in Kucinich.

If voters will ignore those who are trying to defeat Kucinich by saying he has no chance, he has a very good chance of getting the nomination. Vote your conscience!

[Bobbieo]

5. And we wondered during WW2 how the German people

allowed Hitler to take over the nation!

[blues90]

6. If voting is even real anymore .

Look what happened three times and again in 2006 where there is proof of fraud . By the time and if they do get rid of the electronic machines it will be another scam .

The people with all the big money will be the ones who win , always have , always will , it's all part of the same sick game that we the people allow to continue on .

What would have happened in 2004 if no one showed up to use their cheating machines .

It's always we should have , could have , would have .

[Individualist]

10. "the same sick game that we the people allow to continue on"

Stop allowing the game to continue. Don't let the neocons/media/DLC determine who you'll vote for.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. You've Claimed To Be Ready A Dozen Times For Months Already, With All Due Respect.

I wonder if I'm the only one who has noticed that.

[blues90]

14. I'm sure they do , if anyone reads my posts . What's your point ?

Am I not to post anymore ? Hell I see all sorts of posts about diapers and haircuts or bushs ass exam .


I don't care what others may think of me personally , it's the internet , at least I am being real and honest here . I don't come along trying to create bashing . Just my point of view where no one is forced to read or reply .

Sure I have posted dark posts but to be honest I can't recall if I have said I am ready to give up , perhaps this was the impression that came across .

At times I feel things may improve then this soon evaporates the more i hear and read about more and more crap this BCF tosses out . Now it has gotten to the point of what the hell are we doing with impeachment in the closet when it's the only way out of this madness , When it becomes the talk on the senate or house floor then I will feel different .

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. Point Is That It Gets A Bit Old. Like The Boy Crying Wolf.

You can only say "I'm ready to give up" so many times before it just becomes silly.

[blues90]

50. I really don't know how to respond to you without becoming rude

I get the distinct impression since this is not the first post of mine you have replied to , that you feel determinded to be the teacher or the moderator on what one should or should not say .

I cannot see any other reason why you would take the time to respond .

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. You're Obviously Not Understanding What I'm Saying.

I am not attempting to moderate what one can or cannot say.

Instead, I'm just calling the attention to the fact that you frequently and repeatedly post depressive and defeatist threads like this one declaring to everyone how you're ready to give up, yet you never do or already have. So what's the point?

How many times should someone post a thread saying they're ready to give up of the course of a few months? If you were ready months ago and had the same post then, what possible relevance does it have to keep saying so, as if you're dragging the defeatist tone on forever?

That's the point I'm trying to make. You can issue twenty more of these if you want. That's up to you. But each time it makes it look sillier and sillier. That's all I'm sayin.

It's no different then the dramatic post who will post a thread saying they're leaving DU cause they can't take it anymore, yet they'll continue to post every day and then every week like clockwork, they'll say yet again they're leaving DU for good cause they can't take it anymore. If such a case occurred, wouldn't you lose interest after a while and find the poster to be silly and melodramatic, without any real intention of their own threat?

That's my gripe. You know that like once a week or whatever you post an "I'm giving up. Everything's utterly hopeless!" thread. Don'tcha think just maybe it has lost its effect by now?

[blues90]

64. I do understand exactly what you were saying .

And I made my point in the title of the topic of this thread by injecting as if anyone should care .

It's the title that bugs you . I don't recall saying I was ready to give up before , perhaps sick of things the way they are .

The body of my post is not defeatist , it is the damn truth unless one is blind .

You go ahead and hang onto your political hopes and I'll look at the reality hanging all around as plain as day .

I'll tell you what , when just one of these presidential hopefuls stands up there and says , I am not going to play this money game , I am going to work for the people and not waste my money by adding to the profits ,the huge corporations that own all the TV media where is after all my 100 million dollars will end up , the very people who promoted and helped lie us into this insane war . Yes , tell the damn truth , the reality .

Let me hear that and that candidant has my vote . Other wise the game goes on as if always has , Oh you can kid yourself if you choose but for how long ?

[Name removed]

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[grasswire]

8. take the summer off

Enjoy roses and ice cream and children and blue sky and walking and movies.

Then come back.

We need you.

[Red Zelda]

9. I quit, too

M$M and our Saudi/corporate/Cheneyfuck masters have won.
Make Bush leader for life.
Nobody would even march in the streets!

[bdamomma]

28. never give up never do not play into their hands show them

we have (I hate to use this word) resolve.

[hfojvt]

12. never give up. Never surrender.

You are our last hope.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6hlTb7AUj8

You say you are sick of the lesser of two evils and yet you think Gore is the answer. Yet in 2000, he was the lesser of two evils, and it was people who were disgusted with him who gave us what we have today.

[alfredo]

13. We shouldn't wait. Start raising the alarm, start using the "D" word:

Dictatorship. We need to put that concept in people's mind. It is happening but Americans are too polite, in denial, or to scared to use such language. It can happen here and we nee to make sure people know that it is happening right now.

I have a thread on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1397355&mesg_id=1397355

[blues90]

16. I have walked around with a T-shirt

with enough on the front and impeach on the back and a black armband with no war on it and have not gotten one response other than a FU from a few road warriors . Perhaps it's where I live in La La land . Here the car and cell phone are the winning numbers .

[alfredo]

17. I walked around with a "Dethrone King George" poster at a Kentucky

fourth of July celebration and got mostly positive feedback.

Keep fighting for our country. Don't give up. America is worth it.

[bdamomma]

26. America is worth it, we were the first democracy, vote, and damn

let our voices be heard!!!

[alfredo]

40. They say if you ignore democracy it will go away.

[pokercat999]

45. Pfffft, I think you just pissed off Greece and Italy.

[roody]

43. I wear message t shirts too. People are too scared

or uncomfortable to say anything, but the message gets out. Don't stop.

[bdamomma]

29. keep on the backs of our reps and senators shit, this is our country

she needs rescuing!!!

[bdamomma]

33. hey listen didn't Pelosi already said it, we are very close to

a dictatorship or are we already there, do not give up to these thugs, we are much better than them. Let's stop throwing up our hands in defeat, fuck, this is our country, and if we have to stand up to both Repigs and Dems and the stupid religious right, let's do it!@!!

[alfredo]

41. Write letters, call in shows, question your reps. Vote.

This is my "D" letter letter to the editor. I will do a couple more drafts and it will be ready.


The struggle you are seeing between the Democratic congress and Bush is not just politics, it is struggle over whether the US will have what Cheney and others call a "Unitary Executive" or remain a democratic society. The Democratic led congress is trying to restore the checks and balance, to put congress back on an equal footing with the executive branch as the framers of the constitution intended.

The perpetual "war on terror" is not about winning, it is about holding on to the extraordinary powers of a war time president. Put in simpler terms, the administration sees Orwell's "1984" as a users manual instead of a warning.

This Unitary Executive movement started during Nixon's years. An aide in the Nixon White House was angered over the disloyalty of the congress when they voted to impeach Nixon. He set out to change all that by making the president unaccountable to congress and the courts. This aide had little success until he selected himself to be vice president under GW Bush.

This aide "Dick Cheney" and the spin masters like Karl Rove and Tony Snow like the term Unitary Executive, it hides the real meaning. It makes it sound acceptable. But let us call it what it really is: dictatorship.

It's time you started paying attention, and never forget what bush said days after he was awarded the presidency by the Supreme Court, ''If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier — so long as I'm the dictator.''

[slowry]

15. Do something positive; document it and share it. n/t

[JohnnyLib2]

18. "Debushification" is needed and is coming.

Thanks to Daveparts for contributing that term earlier today.

[partylessinOhio]

19. I agree. America is just a memory.

Watching the antics in Congress this week shows me that there is no hope that either party is for the average American.

Reid and Pelosi are duds. If there is no impeachment, there is no hope for this country and it's future. If what Bush has done is not bad enough - you know the next clowns are going to pull more crap.

I am almost convinced that I want no candidate for president that comes out of this Congress for the rich and the special interests.

:cry:

[blues90]

21. Well I agree -

The way I look at it is what have these people have to lose . Most will find some other position with high pay or are so well off now that this seems like a hobby to them or just a position of power , a cut above the rest of us workers .

They have their insurance and get their raises and their summer homes and a bank roll we would faint over . They have their bunker to run to and guards to usher them to safety .

There is the old saying , money doesn't make the man/ women , well what can I say .

[partylessinOhio]

34. Pelosi is very wealthy and owns vineyards and endless real estate holdings.

About ten days ago Reid stood on the Senate floor and bragged that he has told all of his sons that he and they are entitled to burial in Israel because they are Jewish. He and his sons are like you said, "are so well off."

Obama is talking crap of cutting social security and raising the age of retirement. Hillary is working to bring in more workers from India to take American jobs.

These people don't represent me. They have no empathy for the struggle I face every day that is steadily getting worse. Being disabled, the only way out is to die. I can't afford to live with the increases in all my costs of living and the constant breakdowns of most everything I own like my 14 year old car, my oven that hasn't worked for at least two years, my dryer that won't heat anymore - I could go on but you get the picture. I don't have the luxury of getting a job at my age to pay for these increases in everything from food, medical co-pays and deductibles to increasing property and sales taxes.

Those in Congress (except for Dennis) are living in the other America, the one that I'm barred from enjoying. In their America $5 a gallon for milk or gasoline doesn't phase them one bit. They have so much money they would pay $50 a gallon without a thought.

:cry:

[Swamp Rat]

20. I know how you feel...

:hug: Nevertheless, don't ever give up. The whole world is counting on folks like us to fight for democracy. :patriot: Ignore assholes who would discourage you in any way. :hug:

[CountAllVotes]

27. you are so right Swamp Rat!!!

and you Sir are a true :patriot: IMO!!

Here's a :hug: for both you and the OP! :D

Things WILL CHANGE no doubt! This is one guarantee that comes with life, that of inevitable change! :)

:dem: :kick:

[bdamomma]

31. you are so right swampy, we were the first to promote democracy

now is not the time to give up, we are not gutless, let's fight for OUR country, the whole world is watching, plus I do not want to labeled as "gutless".

[pitohui]

23. stay strong my friend stay strong

you've been thru a lot of shit, and any sane sensible person would be discouraged, so honestly i can't diss you for feeling what you feel, i see the logic in your comments and i know that your situation is dire however sometimes we have to just hang on and hope contrary to all sanity and logic

i am very much in favor of impeachment but if it doesn't happen, we'll get up in the morning and put on our socks same as always

if we give up, there is no chance, if we refuse to give up, there is a chance however small

people DO see how bad it is, people ARE angry, the powers that be own the media but talk to people one on one, you might be surprised

[Jed Dilligan]

24. How is your personal situation?

I remember you posting that you were in hard times a while back.

If worrying about the world is making it harder to deal, I'd suggest a break. I did it not long ago and ended up in better shape emotionally and financially.

[blues90]

32. We are still just barely making in month to month .

Sure it adds to the weight or it all . Even when I was doing much better in 2004 I still had this stuff on my mind .

I have taken a few breaks but then when I come back and see things got even worse then I feel like hell again .

I try to weight things in a reasonable way , like , what's the point of slaving away and getting nowhere in some dead end job if all it means is existing for the time being and always concerned how long the money will last .

To to each thing effects the other .

[Jed Dilligan]

35. That's the problem--each affecting the other

I reached the point where I was looking at the streets again and I decided I didn't care if the damned world blew up, we probably deserve it. I would rather be dead than destitute again in this crass, materialistic, sadistic, uncaring, police state.

So I stopped looking at DU, stopped thinking about * and Iran and etc. A decent job came my way almost immediately. It's weird how our internal worldview can affect our experience. I understand you are in a worse situation than I was (recently) but saying fuck it, at least for a little bit, might change things for you.

[bdamomma]

25. one suggestion

never ever give up the vote to vote. People in other countries don't even have chance to vote, don't throw it away, people in other countries wish they had a voice!!!

[greyghost]

30. Take heart my friend...

it truly is darkest before the dawn.

This country is going to reach its saturation point sooner then even I thought.

The economic situation of the middle class is the breaking point, it always has been, and it is FAST approaching.

[IChing]

36. Aren't you close to the Impeachment center that just opened

at the Beverly Center, volunteer your time down there and meet with fellow citizens
that think like you do.

Activists plan to meet every Saturday from 2 to 6 p.m. at the 3rd Street storefront, where they'll stuff envelopes, do phone banking, spread the word about http://www.bcimpeach.com and make plans to circulate petitions and lobby elected officials. They report that 79 municipalities and townships nationwide have passed impeachment resolutions.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-impeach5jul05,0,3983892.story?track=mostviewed-sectionfront


West Hollywood Unanimously Passes Impeachment Resolution


"Today the West Hollywood City Council and the City of West Hollywood makes history in becoming the first city in Southern California to pass an impeachment resolution. Among a minimum of twelve high crimes and misdemeanors, Bush and Cheney have abused their powers of office by using information they knew to be false as a justification for the U.S. invasion of Iraq; condoning and authorizing the torture of prisoners of war and rendering detainees to foreign countries known to torture; and authorizing warrantless wiretaps on U.S. citizens for over five years. The Los Angeles National Impeachment Center, whose website is www.BCIMPEACH.com, meets every Saturday from 2 to 6 pm. We had over 60 volunteers come to this past Saturday's volunteer session, many from West Hollywood. Each of those citizens thanks you West Hollywood for your exemplary leadership today in passing this Bush/Cheney impeachment resolution."

http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=2649

http://www.democrats.com/maxine-waters-opens-los-angeles-impeachment-center

sometimes we just need a hug and a piece of cheer, I know I do sometimes,
to carry on the fight......:) :hi: :hug:

[Pyrzqxgl]

38. Jesus I get tired of twerps like you!

You seem to think you are the only one who's ever been disturbed by the way the political process works. Well, I've been a political junkie for
damn near 60 years and you are giving up after only six or seven. Well, go ahead. You probably would wind up voting for some asshole that
would make things worse. It's probably better if you don't vote. Maybe my vote will count a little more.

[JohnnyLib2]

39. Uh. Tough love!

:thumbsup:

[blues90]

48. You really need to resort to name calling ?

If you have been a political junkie for 60 years and this is how you respond then you fit right in with the actions these politicans now possess with the childish name calling response .

No I don't think I am the only one disturbed by the way the political process works , there have been plenty of posts with people voicing the same concerns as I have .

Just because the system works the way it does , does not make room for some changes needed out of the question , if you feel secure in the way it works that's fine , I don't .

It has not been just the last six years , it has been the last 45 years , I'm not a junkie but this in no way means I am not aware .

I have expressed who I felt I would vote for , if these are what you consider assholes well then what can I say ?

[mdmc]

42. life is easier when you don't care about stuff

follow your bliss my friend

[alfredo]

46. Life was easier at the second Chakra

[roody]

44. Life is short! It is to be enjoyed even if our government

is terrible. Change will not come from Washington. It will come from people's consciousness. If you do not enjoy political work, don't do it. Find something you enjoy.

[blues90]

51. It's not political work .

What it is for me is I can't ignore what has been going on in this country or what this country has done .

It troubles me deeply that the people in Iraq are being slaughtered and even though I don't know anyone in the military what has happened to them is just as troubling . Also what happened to New Orleans and the Miss gulf coast where I know a few people .

These things affect me , even if I were well off and doing well I would still carry the guilt of these horrors , there is no way I can feel good when this sort of thing continues to go on . There is not much I can do as one person to change this other than my one vote and the little I can offer in other small ways , it still wears on my conscience when people suffer .

That's the thing that troubles me most about the politicians , they for the most part can ignore the reality because they don't have to live in it .

I had quite a few good friends come back in boxes from Vietnam back in 1968 . I'll never get over that and here we are now having learned nothing .

[checks-n-balances]

60. I think you grieve for the people who have suffered, my friend

It's very depressing to even think about and it's not easy to get your mind off it. The only positive thing to say about going through that is that at least you haven't let this world make a hardass out of you (like some others who love to show theirs). And somehow try to find some comfort in knowing that you're showing the traits of being human, even though there may not be anything apparent right now that you can do.

We need you and this country still needs you. None of us should give up trying, at least not until there's nothing left that we can do (and I hope it never gets to that point). We can't give up, because maybe whatever we do will help stop some of the suffering in the future, suffering that will surely continue or get worse if we don't try. And if we can stop this madness or at least reduce the evil, we're not only helping the people of this country but I think this whole world is depending on us to stop. The world was horrified FOR us after 9/11 and will surely be horrified AT us if we don't do all we can to stop this insanity.

God bless and please hang in there with us!

[MrMickeysMom]

63. Step back and think for a second

After reading what what you've said, I have to tell you you need to continue to be strong and there is only one way I know how. I've gone through very similar thougts, I weave in and out through them now, though my situation may not not as bad as yours is now. Please listen- you have got to re-align yourself, step back and detach. You (we) that feel this way are going to be stronger for having done so.

By detachment, I don't mean to say don't care. We will always care. But what has been building for a long time and is exponentially beating us down by Bush & Co. is a process I HAVE to face right in the eye while REFUSING to let it take control over me. This eventually leads me to a better clarity of how I'm going to proceed. I agree about taking a little respite from DU. I'm agreeing with that as I'm posting number 500. I swear to God, 200 of them were posted in the last 2 weeks form shear frustration.

I won't tell you to find God, or any known other reference, but find that higher presence in yourself. It's there. It needs to do some work with you now.

Take care, everywhere! :hug:

[porphyrian]

47. Do something you never do.

What that is depends on your own personal routines, so you'll have to think of something yourself. It can be almost anything, nothing's too simple or mundane. For example, I had never seen a movie in a theater by myself until last year. What it will do for you is change your perspective, allowing you to see something new, or something you think you've figured out in a different way. And you probably already knew this.

[UTUSN]

49. "Not voting" is why we are where we are n/t

[blues90]

52. I have voted since I was 21 , a long time ago . I am one vote .

[UTUSN]

59. You *have* voted, but you are contemplating *not* voting. I am also only one vote AND

my votes have mostly gone to LOSING candidates. Look at the 2nd row, here, all better, smarter, more noble than the ones who won. I remember my mother and older sister crying over STEVENSON's 2nd loss. Losing is a dull thud to me. I will never stop voting. If every eligible voter actually DID vote, there would not be a single Rethug in office anywhere. Every one of those non-voters probably don't even THINK about voting, or even of saying, "I'm only one vote."

I've had only, what, THREE, wins and SIX effing/CHEENEEing losses, including one or two that weren't even losses!!1 I could win with my Dem votes for the rest of what little life is left and still not catch up, but I will go down voting!!1 Chin up!!1

[blues90]

65. What really did me is was 2004

That voting day My car was dead , I walked almost 4 miles fighting the relentless panic attacks and anxiety I feel everytime I leave the apt. I lost my 13 year long job Oct 20th 2004 after trying to get some sense into the many repubs that worked there , yes they loved bush and this war , they wanted to turn Iraq into glass and fully felt the oil belonged to us .

Then as you know what happened the next morning , the worst , and Kerry promised he would count all votes and just gave up .

Kerry was not the best choice but far better than what we have now .

Not only did Kerry give up he also followed the insane path bush laid out with footage of his hunting and not standing his ground to fully expose bush even in light of the swift boat adds .

I don't want the candidate with the largest campaign war chest to win , I want the real deal this time around , not the hair or how do I look tonight crap , but the real deal and so far I just don't see one .

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

53. K & R - Off To The Greatest Page nt

[struggle4progress]

55. Try becoming active in a different way.

Attend local Democratic party meetings. Or start taking an interest in what you city council or county commissioners do. Or join a literacy program to tutor somebody who's trying to learn to read. Or become active in an environmental organization. Or join an anti-war group that counsels soldiers considering becoming conscientious objectors.

Look around. Find something you'd like to learn about or do. Then get out there and meet more people and start honing your skills.

[tavalon]

56. One more month, thereabouts

I know it's hard to wait, but Gore will be in around September. Wait, my friend.

When all that is left is the fall, it matters how one falls.

And, yes, you are right. It is scary bad. I don't know how it's going to turn out and it's hard to not know.

[bonito]

57. I care

:hi:

[mmonk]

61. Never give up.

Leave that to those that coddle this administration. Yes, it's bleak, but more the reason to fight let hell.

[Kurovski]

62. Of course, that's exactly what they want you to do.

Wearing people down until no one cares is the ideal for BushCo.

I've given up a couple of dozen times in 7 years, and just tune back in the next day.

Frustration comes and goes.

It's all pretty horrible when you get right down to it. And it can only get worse when everyone has finally given up. (which of course won't happen.) :-)