Chuck Hagel (R) just announced his support for Levin/Reed on the senate floor tune in!

[mzmolly]

:toast:

To clarify, he was a sponsor. But he's speaking now.

[mzmolly]

1. Link

http://www.c-span.org/watch

[trashcanistanista]

2. I have to say, he looks good today! He is a

handsome man which I think it's ok to say this one time because he's on our side on this. I wish he would switch parties. :-)

[TwilightGardener]

LOL! He is kind of a silver fox.

;-)

[mzmolly]

7. A Hagel for Lieberman trade?

:P

[trashcanistanista]

11. In a heartbeat!

:9

[TwilightGardener]

12. That would have my full support.

[cboy4]

13. Yes!! We'll even throw in a player to be named later!

:bounce:

[TwilightGardener]

3. Watchin' it! Sad that I am more proud of my Repub Senator than my Dem Senator...

[mzmolly]

5. We are witnessing the beginning of the end.

Thank goodness!

[BlooInBloo]

4. Holy shit. Atrios got one wrong! lol!

[mzmolly]

6. Do you have a link?

Thanks! :hi:

[BlooInBloo]

19. Aw crap - He only said it of Snowe... I thought he said it of both...

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_07_08_archive.html#5238669370989697845

The idea clearly applies to both, though, fwiw.


EDIT: Not all Olympias are created equal.

[mzmolly]

21. Thanks

:hi:

[BlooInBloo]

25. I hate searching for stuff that I remember only the gist of - no keywords...

... You worry that you'll never find it - lol!

[babylonsister]

8. Can Lieberman be far behind? nt

[mzmolly]

10. Who?

;)

[mzmolly]

9. Sounds like he's endorsing Kerry's plan a bit late?

;)

[trashcanistanista]

16. "I've yet to hear anyone come to the Senate floor

and say I'm for cutting and running" - he has a sense of humor!

[sandnsea]

14. We needed 4 more to hit 60

I don't remember if Hagel was one of them or not. We had Collins, Snowe, Warner, Smith, Coleman, maybe Lugar. Is this a new one? Are we down to 3 now?

[mzmolly]

28. No, he was on board apparently.

But four is not far to go. *crossing fingers

[babylonsister]

30. Not according to Kerry:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1356490&mesg_id=1356490

[sandnsea]

46. if they voted their conscience

I was referring to those actually committed to voting to end the war.

[4nic8em]

15. Very admirable

of Chuck, he has been outspoken on the Iraq debacle...I still don't trust the sumbitch.

[mzmolly]

17. "Cut and run" is a catchy slogan" those who use that term, should define it.

"No one is supporting cut and run, we're supporting a transition." paraphrased.

Chuck Hagel :toast:

[TwilightGardener]

18. Hagel--"Cut-and -Run" is catchy, but meaningless sloganeering.

[pnwmom]

20. Hagel is THE Republican who I think is the biggest threat to the Dems,

if he decides to run for President.

He's been against the Iraq war from early on, and he's a true red conservative.

[mzmolly]

23. EEK!

:scared: agreed.

[trashcanistanista]

32. I think he certainly could pull in the votes, but

he is out of lockstep right now with the administration and they would NEVER let him. I don't think he has a chance in hell of running. I think he will be punished for today in some way.

[pnwmom]

60. The administration doesn't get to decide who runs.

And an anti-administration candidate would probably have the best chance at this point.

[trashcanistanista]

65. Good point!

Scary thought.

[sandnsea]

51. I absolutely agree

I can't figure out why he isn't running.

[TwilightGardener]

57. Not just the war, he's also:

Spoken against Gonzales, voted for no-confidence measure.
Co-sponsoring an amendment to close Gitmo.
Spoken against Libby commutation.
Very Dem-leaning in foreign policy.

He would be tough to run against, because he's sided with Dems on quite a few issues. Hard to get ammo on him. We'd have to go after some of his domestic votes.

[Mass]

22. He has been co-sponsor of the amendment since the beginning, as are Snowe and

Smith.

[mzmolly]

26. Indeed, and I hope he'll bring more R's along.

:hi: He's speaking now.

[TwilightGardener]

27. Authored part of it--the international-mediator idea.

[mzmolly]

29. Thanks for all the info.

:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

24. For him to advocate a timeline is a big turnaround for him--he's said

in the recent past that he wouldn't support a binding one--said it was a "blunt instrument" that he didn't like to use. Guess he sees that nothing is going to change unless Congress forces a change.

[TwilightGardener]

31. Hagel--there's already a timeline in place--that's when we run out of troops.

[trashcanistanista]

37. Hagel goes on ..

"We are in a very dangerous place in Iraq. Our policy in Iraq is a disaster"

[EFerrari]

33. Have the Democrats ever tried to turn Hagel? Wouldn't he like

to be in the majority again? Nebraska went blue last time. :shrug:

[TwilightGardener]

36. I think it's too late, I think he's retiring.

[EFerrari]

39. Really? He seems so young to me. Although, to me a lot of people

seem young. lol

[TwilightGardener]

45. He's only 60--looks older than that, though. But it's widely thought

in Nebraska that he's "toast" in '08, because of his opposition to Chimpy and the war. He has a pro-war, pro-Bush primary challenger being pushed by Karl Rove, and I think Hagel has had it with Senate politics anyway. No one here really thinks he's going to try to keep his seat.

[Inuca]

53. I hope you are wrong, though it seems to be the case...

[pnwmom]

62. He's very conservative in terms of domestic issues.

We wouldn't be happy with him as a Democrat.

[mile18blister]

34. Hagel was a grunt in Nam.

Get shot at and watching your buddies die does tend to affect one's attitude about an endless occupation.

[ellisonz]

35. It's actually Levin/Reed by Jack Reed of Rhode Island.

[mzmolly]

42. Ahh, thanks I'll correct that!

I thought it was a type-o? ;)

[TwilightGardener]

38. "The time for suggestions is over"--yields the floor. Good speech, Chuck!

[halobeam]

40. Great Speech! Hope some "on the fence" see the correct side to go on.

[TwilightGardener]

41. Hutchinson--Levin/Reed = cut and run! Didn't Hagel just say that no one advocated cut-and-run?

[mzmolly]

43. Interesting that she chose that language. Cults are effective huh?

"cut and run" ... "cut and run" ...

[cureautismnow]

44. I believe Hagel's brother is a Democrat.

Perhaps, his brother's influence and his own conscience has turned him away from the dark side. :applause:

[TwilightGardener]

49. Yes--there was a Salon article on that a couple months ago--his brother Tom

is a very liberal Democrat, and has publicly expressed disappointment in Chuck for being such a hard-nosed conservative and not giving a crap about the poor and underpriveleged in his political career. If you read it, it kind of makes you feel like you're guiltily eavesdropping on another family's private argument. It's a great article, though.

[cureautismnow]

59. Interesting. Didn't Chuck save Tom's life in 'Nam, too?

I could've swore I caught that part of the story, while channel-surfing many months ago. Now it's Tom's turn to save Chuck from a life of GOP depravity. :)

[TwilightGardener]

63. They saved each other's lives, apparently--Chuck got hit with

shrapnel in the chest and Tom helped stop the bleeding and got him to safety, and Chuck pulled Tom out of a burning personnel carrier. Pretty interesting story. Yes, I do think Tom might have some influence in keeping Chuck from being a complete Nazi like the rest of them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Was Listening On The Radio. He Did A Great Job On The Floor.

[ronnykmarshall]

48. Thank you Senator Hagel!

:toast:

[EFerrari]

50. And now Kay Bailey Nutbasket is blubbering about Caliphates

and freedom. Sometimes these people SCARE THE HELL out of me. :rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

52. Isn't she awful? Cut and Run! We must keep our honor! No retreat, no surrender!

Jesus, lady, STFU--more meaningless sloganeering.

[EFerrari]

54. A transcript would be hilarious. A string of non sequiturs. lol

[mzmolly]

56. Me too sfexpat. WHAT did she say exactly?

Stay the course... yeah that's it.

I've started a new thread in GD c'mon over gang. :hi:

[Inuca]

55. Quite a barn-burner of a speech!

[mzmolly]

58. New thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3383978&mesg_id=3383978

[KittyWampus]

61. He gets credit for putting his vote where is mouth is.

[TwilightGardener]

64. Yes--and for trying to help the troops get fair rest, along with Webb.