Pelosi is in a no-win situation....she deserves some slack

[Perky]

Pelosi obviously has more than one constituency in mind..... she has a fractured caucus with only a few people openly supporting the impeachment effort.

Pelosi understands that it is a no win situation...Our gains in the last election wewe in moderate districts and by small but critical margins. She backs impeachment and those seats are put back in play.


She would rather piss off the base than lose the House.
I am with her untilll enough members show some backbone and sign on. to HR 333

[EFerrari]

1. Good luck with that. n/t

[Bluebear]

2. 'She backs impeachment and those seats are put back in play.'

Says what analyst?

[HereSince1628]

3. She's now losing interest from dem voters in what were safe districts

And she's losing the interest of "independents." Impeachment is less important than Iraq, and if something doesn't happen soon the dem incumbents are all going to be vulnerable because disillusionment will suppress voter turn-out.

[Bluebear]

6. Not to mention Congress' approval rating is now at 24%, Bush at 33%

People damn well expected change after the last election and they do not perceive any.

[mmonk]

15. You hit on the problem.

[paulk]

22. do you have any polling to back that up?

- this notion that Democrats are going to stay at home in 2008 because they're unhappy with Pelosi and/or a Democratic House?

Everything I've seen indicates that the Republicans are going to have a far larger problem with voter disillusionment than the Democrats.

[Botany]

4. Not true .... every time an impeachment has gone through or gotten ..

.... close the party that was not in the White House gained seats in the following
elections. bush & Cheney's crimes are many and not complicated to understand ...
so make the repugs defend the indefensible and work against "the rule of law" being
more important than the rule of men.

They lied us into a war
They broke the law many times; Spying, signing statements, election rigging
(Monica Goodling gave us that on silver platter), Abramoff, and using the A.G.
& the Dept. of Justice for illegal and political purposes
The outing of Plame was treason

If we fail to act now, then when will we?

[Duer 157099]

5. Could not disagree more.

She's in a win-win situation, she just doesn't recognize it.

All she has to do is start talking about the role of impeachment as defined in the CONSTITUTION, and how elected officials are bound to uphold the CONSTITUTION, and that's it.

I cannot for the life of me see how this is difficult at all.

[Robbien]

7. Yeah, Right. Progressives are always the ones who are ordered to give slack

Forget it.

The DLC/BlueDogs gives some slack first.

Then we will see.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. I don't care about Nancy Pelosi's situation. I care about upholding the Constitution

and saving our Democracy, which last time I heard, she Swore to Uphold and Protect when she took her oath of office!

Watch Bill Moyers Journal and then tell us how you feel.

[Perky]

10. Yes she did as did 220 + House Dems who believe that the Constitution is best preserved by

A Democratic Congress and White House in '09 and beyond

There is nothing that George Bush has done that can not be undone if we are in power.

We can lock up both ends of Pennsylvania avenue for the next generation and gut the conservative slide of the the Judiciary in the process.....

If we impeach a sitting president in a time of war....we are begging for a loss in the Senate trial and put the Constitution at risk because it will be effectively played as us being traitors.''''


You don't think Bush is going to feel vindicated when we can barely get enough votes In the House and he is found not guilty in the Senate.



You don;t think it will not re-embolden the Cheney gang?


The risks are too big and the rewards are too small. Bush is our greatest ally in winning decisively in '08.


It is lusy at many levels I agree....but censure and contain the idiot might be the best strategy.

[Phredicles]

13. Was OJ vindicated by being found not guilty?

Surely impeachment hearings that lay out the Insane Clown Posse's crimes for all to see can only help us in '08.

On the other hand, leaving people shaking their heads saying, "Same old wussy Dems" will surely not help us at all.

Then there is the matter of precedent: If there is no impeachment, is that not a tacit admission that The Decider was within his rights to do what he's done.

Start with Cheney: He's closest to the most egregious abuses of power and the most politically vulnerable. But mark my words, letting this slide will prove our Munich.

[mmonk]

16. The risk is in losing the constitution and the Bill of Rights.

That's a risk that should be unacceptable to any freedom loving citizen.

[Perky]

19. And if they can be restored and enhanced by a Democratic Washington"?

Again there is nothing that the idiot has done that we can not recover from.

[mmonk]

21. If is the operative word that makes doing nothing a risk.

The Patriot Act, the MCA, etc. were passed with votes from both parties. And then there is that other "if" concerning elections.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

18. Please watch Moyers' program and then get back to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1332753

[rwheeler31]

9. We are such a gotta have it now people,

we have stopped thinking.

[Pale Blue Dot]

12. Gotta have it now:

Habeas corpus
Checks and balances
The U.S. Constitution
Freedom of speech

But you're right, maybe we should wait a little bit longer on those. We can't be too impatient.

[Pale Blue Dot]

11. That's when a quality called "leadership" is important

Great leaders do the right thing and convince others of the importance of doing so.

Sorry, she gets no slack from me.

[wiggs]

14. There are more imporant things than seats in the House...

Country before party is part of the strong case a dem and republican make for immediate impeachment

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html

Nancy is not the point. Bush and Cheney are not the point.

[defendandprotect]

17. Democratic gains were much larger than credited --

there is wisdom out there which says that the Democratic majorities were much larger and stolen.

Some proof of this is offered by Palast who questions why Republicans didn't -- as usual -- challenge the large number of seats that switched on SLIM majorities. He suggests it's because investigating those elections could have exposed the large steals by the GOP behind the numbers.

And, meanwhile, in Pelosi's own area, her numbers are lower now than Bush's!!!

So this all points to more nonsense by the corporate DLC "tilting at windmills" and trying to keep progressives and progressive action at bay --

[mmonk]

20. Who said moral courage was easy?

[Disturbed]

23. Isn't she the Leader of the House?

It is time that she start leading instead of waiting to see what others are doing. First thing she needs to do is sign on the the Cheney Impeachment and push hard for that.

[stimbox]

24. 58.53% Yes votes Prop J

San Francisco County, CA November 7, 2006 Election
Proposition J
Adopting a Policy Calling for the Impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney
City of San Francisco
Majority Approval Required
Pass: 133,042 / 58.53% Yes votes ...... 94,282 / 41.47% No votes

http://smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/sf/meas/J/

She's obviously not listening to the people who elected her.
Maybe she's listening to her DLC advisors. :mad: