Is it just me or does it seem that

[Wiccan Warrior]

Police that are supposed to uphold the law, I found out, are the one's most STUPID about the laws.... I have seen it all too much.

[Double T]

1. Your statement is ridiculous!

[Wiccan Warrior]

2. you must be a police officer then? read it again. n/t

[Double T]

3. I did. Your statement is MORE ridiculous!!

[Wiccan Warrior]

4. Let me simplify it for you ok..........

A friend of mine had the local police come to his door saying they had a call he was selling coke. Now without any proof or anything his girlfriend gave up his 4th amendment right and let them in. Then they walked past his Bong collection and said nice vases, then they didn't even know how to open a 6 shooter revolver he had, his girlfriend had to do it for them. and when I stated some laws from the Penal Codes from Michigan about what they are doing and denied him to get a lawer he stared at me blank and he should have known that code after all ignorance of the law is no excuse.

So many times when I know the police are crossing the line and I quote law codes to them, even judges, they get pissed it's funny.

[canetoad]

6. Sorry to change topic

but did you ever send that letter to yr wife's neighbour and what was the outcome?

[Wiccan Warrior]

8. Not yet still getting the run around, but

that's ok still I have contacted the mayor now as well as the CPS.

[Double T]

9. Doesn't appear to me, from what YOU are saying, that the police.......

crossed the line; the girlfriend of the alleged accused was very accommodating to the officer(s), including her willingness to 'open a 6 shooter revolver'. I believe the officer(s) were making a joke about the 'nice' vases as they passed by the bong collection. The alleged accused individual was apparently not present and was not interrogated or arrested so there was no need for reciting Miranda Rights. If you were in trouble or you were violated in any way, I'm fairly certain the first people YOU would call would be the police. The police are there for everyone's protection and MOST police officers do their jobs very well.

[Wiccan Warrior]

11. Ummm no you're wrong

the individual was there they used the coke scare to get in ok got that? and you're right to remain silent and get a lawyer does not I mean DOES NOT start after they read the rights, why do so many think that?

[Wiccan Warrior]

13. Sorry I don't trust the police at all...

being from Detroit and seeing them here in Mi they are as crooked as Bu$h. Are you sure you're not a Cop?

[mrcheerful]

10. Actually in the state of michigan the police have been given the right to enter your home

if someone says they saw you doing a criminal act. I had something like what you described. A neighbor called the cops after seeing me roll a cigarette. She told the police that it was pot and there was a lot of traffic going in and out of my home at all times of the night. I was buying tobacco in bulk and was putting it in a coffee can, which the neighbor said I was keeping my pot in. I got a laugh out of it as I had been putting nuts bolts and small motorcycle parts in coffee cans for 7 years and when they searched my home they found 278 coffee cans in the closets. They went through every can and found not even a seed. I tried making a complaint about it and was told by the DA's office there wasn't anything I could do as Reagan's war on drugs gave the police the right to enter your home on a tip from the neighbors. Also, you should know that if you open your door to the police you are giving them permission to enter in the state of michigan. Btw, after that I kept all my curtains closed.

[Wiccan Warrior]

12. WRONG I live in Mi as well

I had the police ask if they could come in they had someone call saying alot of traffic was going through and money exchanging hands I said where is your proof and warrant. They left and never came back.

[Tesha]

22. Any time you encounter the police and they "just want to ask you a few questions"...

Any time you encounter the police and they "just want
to ask you a few questions", your response should be:

"Am I under arrest"?

If they say so no, then tell them you have nothing
further to say to them and ask them to leave or
to let you leave.

If they say yes or they won't leave, then say:

"I will be happy to speak with you once my attorney
is present; until that time I have nothing to say.
Do you understand what I just told you?"

And make sure you remember their affirmative response.

-=-=-=-=-

Any time they want to come in, "just to look around",
your response should be:

"You may not enter unless you have a search warrant.
And if you have a warrant, I'll read it now."

-=-=-=-=-

Any time they try to search you, tell them you object
to the search. Don't interfere, don't resist, but make
it clear to them that you object to the search.

-=-=-=-=-

Generally speaking, the police *ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE*,
no matter how "nice" they may seem. And per the Fifth
Amendment, you don't need to help them obtain evidence
against you.

Tesha

[Tesha]

21. Not without a warrant! (NT)

[mrcheerful]

5. Police are not strong believers of innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

It's not that they are ignorant of the law, its a mind game they play more or less to shake someone up enough that they slip up and admit that the story they told to the cop isn't what they tried to pass it off as. Easy rider once did a story on how to deal with police. One of the points they made was "you have a right to remain silent" The draw back is that is only after the police read you your rights. You also have a right to have a lawyer present during questioning, whats left out is the fact that if you can not afford a lawyer you are arrested until a judge appoints a court lawyer to you. That is where a lot of people make their biggest mistake, out of not wanting to sit in jail until they see a judge, they answer questions without a lawyer present and those that live in states that don't use video's or tape recorders during questioning end up either admitting to a crime or are tricked into admitting a crime. Then its your word against the police. Something like 45% of all cases solved by police are done by questioning a suspect without a lawyer present.

[Wiccan Warrior]

7. NO NO NO you have the right to remain silent

even before they read you you're rights I know this as a fact and the Busted video on flexyourrights.org will explain that. 5th amendment is always there.

[mrcheerful]

14. Then you are charged with refusing to comply with an officer of the court

and will be jailed. Seen it done a few dozen times in the state of michigan. I am a known associate of one of the cycle clubs in the state, trust me, you should see what that gets you into.

[Wiccan Warrior]

15. I live in Mi and I have done it and I'm still here =)

then they didn't get a good lawyer then.

[mrcheerful]

16. Must be nice to have the money to have a lawyer handy.

I'm not being mean or anything, but if you don't have a lawyer or the money to get a lawyer, your screwed in michigan.

[Wiccan Warrior]

17. Oh true and that's a valid point..., but what I meant to say was

when I exercise my 5th amendment to an officer they leave me alone on questioning all the time. You are obligated under Mi law to give them your name and that's it you don't have to say anything more even on a traffic stop. If a cop pulls you over and asks "Do you know why I pulled you over?" the correct response is "No officer please tell me." or say nothing that is using your 5th amendment right. If you do tell him "Yes officer I was speeding." then you gave up your 5th amendment rights right there. see what I'm trying to say? I didn't need a lawyer cause I was not arrested for asserting my rights. LOL.

[mrcheerful]

18. My S.O. almost screwed up her life after a co-worker gave her some items

for her son. What my S.O. didn't know was the woman that gave the items to her had stolen them. When the police contacted my S.O., I told her tell the officer the truth, you didn't steal anything. S.O got scared and admitted that a woman had given her some items, which turned out to be on the list of things taken. I about died, lol. Well to make a long story short, the co-workers were all on probation for larceny and the woman that gave the S.O. the items then told the police that she saw the S.O. take the items. So who did the police focus on? Yep, the S.O. She got lucky because 2 things happened, 1st they did a drug bust on a house and found the real expensive stuff that was taken in the drug house, the dealer was related to the woman that gave the S.O. the items. 2nd, The stealing went on after the S.O. was fired from the job that the things were stolen from. Talk about ignorance of the law, blind luck kept the S.O. from being nailed for something she didn't do. What really pissed me off was just a week before I had jumped her son for accepting things from "friends" that he had just met. The best way to deal with the law is don't put yourself into situations that draw the police's attention to you.

[Wiccan Warrior]

19. And also be carefull who you have as friends

if they want to bind you up they have the tools to do it. Know your friends is my motto.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. Personally, I'm terrified of cops

When I was 8, my father was wanted on various warrants. My parents were divorced, but my dad would come to see me. The DA convinced my mother to tell him to come visit and use me as bait. He came in, and the cops surrounded the house and came in after him, guns drawn. Since he was standing right beside me, those guns were pointed right at me. They handcuffed him and led him away without a word to me--and I was scared to death. In less than an hour, he was out on bail and he then left the state, never to seen by me again. The DA never got to try him on fraud charges (I think that's what he was wanted for), I lost a father (hey, he was a con man, but he was my dad), and I gained a lasting fear of cops--they will use you for their own ends and terrorize you for no reason and they don't care a bit what happens to you or yours, as long as they get what they want.

[fasttense]

23. The police sometimes don't fully understand the law.

My son was given a $300 ticket in TN for flashing his high beams at the oncoming traffic to warn them the police had a speed trap set.

But what the police put on the ticket was that my son flashed his high beams and blinded the oncoming traffic. The policeman also gave him a warning because his driver-side headlight was out.

My son went to court and questioned the cop on the stand. He got the policeman to admit his headlight was out. Then my son quoted the law that specified how high beams from the driver-side headlight caused a distraction and momentary night blindness to oncoming traffic. The law is very specific and just flashing your high beams does not necessarily violate the law. Everyone in the courtroom sort of sat up and listened as he read the applicable statute. The lawyers all stood nodding their heads and smiling. But when my son pointed out his driver-side headlight was out and couldn't have caused a distraction, as required by the law, the judge threw out the case.

I think he would make a fine lawyer.

[Wiccan Warrior]

24. Nice I really think State and local Penal Laws should

be taught in all Civics classes and make US more aware so were not IGNORANT OF THE LAW and they say is no excuse.

[mrcheerful]

25. Sorry it seems I was wrong about what I was told by a court appointed lawyer and the police

http://www.michigan-ouil.com/YourRights.html

I found this interesting piece. I do know that I heard a judge say in open court "I know the wittnesses are lying, but something happened, the wittnesses said so". The person in question got 2 to 15 years after the judge kicked the case up to a higher court. The guys court appointed lawyer said nothing, then pressured the guy to cop a plea bargin.

[Wiccan Warrior]

26. Yes court appointed are a joke and always will be.. n/t