Which kind of "Democrat" annoys you most (poll)

[dmallind]

Because we are a very diverse party there is much range of opinion. I have read several threads where it seems the very left of the party feels they are ridiculed and ganged up on here. As a member much closer to the right of the party I've felt the same way. So obviously not scientific or valid but worth a try to get a snapshot of the zeitgeist I thought: WHICH KIND OF DEM DO YOU LIKE LEAST ON DU?

[SteppingRazor]

1. Ahhh... I love these sorts of polls that foster unity and understanding n/t

[dmallind]

11. Actually that's why I am trying this

If both edges at the very least feel that they are often the target of unfair criticism, my guess is that they are both less likely to see that they are not alone. It's my hope that the poll will indicate that ALL constituencies within the party raise the ire of others on here, and that this demonstrates that there is no conspiracy against either the very right of the party or the very left. If instead they carry on thinking that they and only they are being targeted, that will cause far more harm to unity and cooperation.

[SteppingRazor]

17. That's an interesting notion that I honestly hadn't considered...

and, certainly, I can't blame you for posting anything divisive, then. In fact, more power to you!

That said, though, if this doesn't degenerate into a flame fest at some point, I'll eat my shorts. :P

[More Than A Feeling]

2. Party loyalists who think it is their sworn duty to keep everyone in line

with unending loyalty oaths. The ones who think they have some kind of pre-ordained right to your vote.

[Buzz Clik]

3. I hate polls, but this one should be entertaining -- major flame fest.

:popcorn: :nuke:

[datasuspect]

4. the "corporate we" "democrats"

who come out of the woodwork to exploit internal party differences.

long on "friendly advice" short on honesty.

agents provocateur of the lowest order.

the funny part is they THINK they are so fucking clever.

[bunkerbuster1]

5. I really don't mind any ideological flavor, save the outright traitor-variety

I.e., your Zells or Joementums.

So long as a conservative, right-leaning Dem can discuss issues honestly, I'm fine with them mixing it up with the folks who are well to the left of them (and me, for that matter.)

[Phredicles]

6. Knee-jerk "We don't have the votes"-istas.

[Virginia Dare]

7. None of the above...I love all of you!...

let's kick the Repubs in the ass!!!

[Nikki Stone1]

12. Yes, ma'am!

:kick: Republican ass!

[dmallind]

18. I hoped to get some comments like that

Thought about making it an option but then I was worried it would be an easy copout answer for default.

REMEMBER - LIKING LEAST DOES NOT EQUAL, NECESSARILY, HATING OR EVEN DISLIKING THAT CATEGORY. After all I like coffee creams least in a box of chocolates, but I'll gladly enjoy one if that's what's evailable.

[Labors of Hercules]

8. I like this poll least on DU... yuck.

Thus I refuse to answer it. tah.

[murray hill farm]

9. In name only Democrats.

The ones who call themselves Democrats, but other than that, pay no attention to politics or issues.

[Vanje]

10. Those that would be Republicans, but for .....

But they're still mad about the side the GOP took in the Civil War.
what I mean is...Zell Miller

[CTD]

13. The inexplicably loyal Hillary supporters

Claim she is anything short of the second coming of (insert name of favorite deity here) and you get flamed to a crisp. Suggest she can't win and you get called a Freeper.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. The Ignorant Zealots That Use Irrational Passion In Place Of Reason. n/t

[Phoonzang]

21. Yep. Those would be the ones...

At least I assume we're thinking of the same kind of person..

[depakid]

30. Oddly enough- people seem to vote for those with passion

even to the exclusion of reason and self interest.

So wouldn't the rational thing be to take what works from the far right's playbook- and couple it with popular policy positions?

Nah....

[ClassWarfare2008]

32. Project much?

See anyone else around here with a "FUCK (whoever)" avatar??

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. LOL

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[TSIAS]

43. Irrational?

I'd actually use that same word to describe those who continue to blame Nader nearly 7 years after the selection of Bush.

I can't believe people are still so afraid of a 3rd Party. Our party is truly pathetic if we can't manage to win in 2008 by a large margin. Even if Nader got the 3 % he got in 2000, the Democrats still should be able to win, considering the Republican Party is so unpopular today.

I plan to vote for our nominee regardless, since I live in a swing-state (FL). But I don't think it's fair to express such hostility to those who actually take the time to vote (unlike most of the public), even if it's not for the Democrat.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. You Like It Too? A Lot Of People Here Have Told Me How Much They Like It.

Glad it has another fan!

[quinnox]

15. single issue dems

They have one issue and they discard everything else as unimportant.

The DCLers I don't really have an opinion, don't know much about that organization.

I'm a party loyalist and proud of it, but that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions such as Lieberman and Miller.

[Matsubara]

16. Where is the choice for "my head is exploding"?

It really depends on the issue and the day.

Mostly the single-issue ones, often the DLC ones, sometimes the blue-dogs, and even occasionally the ultra-progressives.


Any of them on their worst day is better than the best repug, though...

[dmallind]

20. My greatest hope is that we get the vast majority

to agree with your last sentence. I know I do (although I gotta admit I would have traded Zell Miller for Lincoln Chaffee most of the time - but there are exceptions to all rules)

[Marrah_G]

Single issue Dems

It's all about their cause and woe to anyone who tries to talk about anything else or ~gasp~ doesn't agree with their views in totality.

[demnan]

19. Democrats that vote with Republicans

[KillCapitalism]

22. Corporatists

You know, the ones who support "free trade", outsourcing, etc.

[Individualist]

23. The only thing worse than a neocon is a neocon enabling DLCer.

:puke:

[jobycom]

24. The "I won't vote for Democrats" Democrats.

The Hillary bashers and other "I believe whatever the Rove machine cooks up" idiots, the "they have no balls" proclaimers, etc. These aren't Democrats, but somehow they are allowed around here.

[ClassWarfare2008]

35. I believe the so called "Hillary bashers" are more than willing to vote for a Democrat.

They just don't believe that Hillary IS one. :)

[jobycom]

45. Then they are the kool-aid drinkers

believing the Drudge rumors rather than the facts.

[depakid]

25. What's an "ultra-progressive?"

Sounds like a play on "ultra liberal," a term that gets thrown around about 10-15 times per page in Republican fund raising mailers....

Never could figure out what that one was, either.

[dmallind]

27. The opposite of a "corporatist DLC empty suit" ;)

Since polls do not give you the space to write essays I am using that as shorthand for one who takes positions to the left of the Democratic mainstream. This would be contrasted to the simple "progressive" since at least in today's political spectrum, almost all Democrats are more progressive than the status quo. I think the best definition I can come up with is that bloc of the party which either genuinely can NOT see much or any difference, overall, between Hillary and Bush or believe that it helps the cause of the Democratic party to claim that there is none.

[depakid]

28. Gotta quibble a bit with that....

Most Democrats are considerably TO THE RIGHT of the "mainstream" as illustrated time and again in poll after poll.

See, e.g.:The Progressive Majority: Why a Conservative America is a Myth

http://home.ourfuture.org/reports/20070612_theprogressivemajority/

Seems to me that progressives- as opposed to corporatists/DLCers, are basically those who still for the most part, represent traditional Democratic values. I rough guess would be (based on a couple of recent votes) that'd be about 2/5ths of the party.

Incidentally, if the polls are to be believed- it's also the "pragmatic wing" of the party- in as much as the agenda fits with what a substantial majority would like to see in terms of policies.

"Ultra-Progressives" are a pretty rare breed- think Wellstone & Defazio or Bernie Sanders.

[Strawman]

26. Individual worshippers/blamers

If _____ were elected everything would magically be made perfect!

If _____ would just shut the fuck up, things would go alot more smoothly!

If we got rid of _______ and replaced him/her with (unlikely person), why they'd fix everything that's wrong with this country by fiat!

That's the shit I hate and no ideological segment of DU has a monopoly on it.

[BlooInBloo]

29. The south/religion panderers.

[H2O Man]

31. Those who:

{A} chew with their mouthes open;
{B} eat while they are talking on the phone; and
{C} talk on cell phones while driving.

[Catchawave]

37. All of the above :) n/t

[walldude]

38. Those who post ludicrous polls designed

to vilify and split up the progressives on this board. No wonder I don't come around here much anymore...

[TSIAS]

39. Only 37 responses?

This thread's been up for hours. I figured it would be close to 150 replies with multiple "deleted sub-threads".

I'd say the DLC'rs annoy me the most. I tend to find myself in agreement with the further left contingent of DU. I admire the passion of posters who you deem "ultra progressives". It seems that they have a lot of conviction in their beliefs, even if I disagree with their actions (such as supporting 3rd Party candidates)

[slackmaster]

40. My real beef is with authoritarian "progressives"

The ones who are so eager to impose their will on others, and willing to use the force of law to "persuade" people to see things their way.

[bleedingheart]

41. I hate the "go along to get along" approach democrats...

politics has been ugly since the time of the Ceasers so this play along game is stupid unless you are doing so in order to get close enough to your opposition so that you can give them the Brutus treatment...

[Odin2005]

42. Single Issue Dems.

followed by DLCers at a close second.

I can't stand the posters that threaten to leave the party if Dem politicians don't drop everything and concentrate on one issue.