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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:08 AM
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OUTING THE CIA (Pt. 2): Cheney, Libby and the Attempted Destruction of Counter-Proliferation.
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 11:42 AM by leveymg
Ambassador Wilson wasn’t the only target of the outing of Valerie Plame. Plame’s employer was. Virtually from the day Bush-Cheney took power, it worked to systematically undo the CIA’s weapons control regime and counter-proliferation programs that targeted the so-called Axis of Evil countries purchasing nuclear technologies from Pakistan.

More than anything else, the real effect of the Bush-Cheney Administration's actions was the destruction of the CIA Counter-Proliferation Division (CPD), where Valerie Plame worked in the Iran and Iraq units.

The intentional exposure of Valerie Plame on July 14, 2003 wasn’t just a personal vendetta or attempt to silence critics, it was the culmination of a program to undermine the work of a U.S. intelligence program that had been tracking a global nuclear proliferation network centered in Pakistan, run by A.Q. Khan, and financed by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Countries.

A.Q. Khan was outed by Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage in 2001, who also had a central role in the outing of Valerie Plame in 2003. Not satisfied with those disclosures, as James Risen tells us in State of War, in 2004 someone at Langley "accidentally" transmitted the entire list of the CPDs agent network inside Iran to a double-agent, who promptly turned that over to Iranian intelligence.

Why would anyone do this? Let’s go back to 1997.

CPD, Valerie Plame, and the A.Q. Khan Network

For decades, until Bush-Cheney came to power, one of the highest priorities of American intelligence was to penetrate and neutralize a network of nuclear proliferation run by A.Q. Khan. See, Part 1, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x103478

Until June 1, 2001, when it was revealed in an article published in Rupert Murdoch's The Financial Times of London, the Khan program was perhaps the most secret CIA operation, according to George Tenet, known outside CIA only by the President. The Financial Times that day quoted Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage as saying the U.S. was tracking trade in nuclear and missile technologies between Pakistan and North Korea, the investigation centered "on people who were employed by (Pakistan's) nuclear agency and have retired." See, Stephen Fidler and Edward Luce, "US Fears North Korea Could Gain Nuclear Capability Through Pakistan," Financial Times (London), 1 June 2001, Front Page-First Section, p. 1; in Lexis-Nexis Academic Universe, 31 May 2001, http://web.lexis-nexis.com, cited at http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Pakistan/Missile/3068_3116.html.

After Khan was outed and his network shut-down, selected details about the program emerged. Douglas Jehl of the New York Times wrote in 2004 that former CIA Director George Tenet acknowledged that the Agency's monitoring of Khan extended back at least to 1997. Jehl writes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/24/politics/24weapons.html; reprinted at: http://blackhole.xerces.com/...
In recent paid speeches, Mr. Tenet has given new details about the C.I.A.'s role in unraveling the Khan network, according to people who attended the sessions. The speeches to private groups have been delivered on ground rules that they remain off the record, but a tape recording of a speech given in Georgia in September was provided to The Times by someone who was there.

In that speech, Mr. Tenet said that the C.I.A.'s role had stretched back to 1997, and that he had kept it secret in the government from everyone but President Bill Clinton and President Bush. Describing a "hidden network that stretched across three continents," he said: "Working with British colleagues, we pieced together his subsidiaries, his clients, his front companies, his finances and manufacturing plants. We were inside his residence, inside his facilities, inside his rooms. We were everywhere these people were."

Mr. Tenet called the agency's role "one of the greatest success stories nobody ever talks about."


Khan’s relationship with the Agency may have actually long predated 1997, the year we are told by David Corn that Valerie Plame returned from undercover assignments abroad to headquarters CPD, where was assigned to the Iran unit. Plame had that assignment until early 2001, when she was reassigned to Iraq WMD.

While some details remain classified, we can trace the Agency’s interaction with A.Q. Khan and map out how it intersected with key events in the career of Valerie Plame. As we see above, Plame’s hiring into the Iran unit coincides with both the earliest acknowledged penetration of Khan and his network’s first shipment to Iran of advanced model of Pakistani gas centrifuge, known as the P-2. As was explained in Part 1 of this series, the Agency used this device -- which requires a number of highly-specialized, difficult to manufacture components available only from a small number of suppliers in certain countries.

To see what a country of interest is doing with centrifuge plans and prototype assemblies provided by Mr. Khan, the CIA tracked the flow of specialized tubes, bearings, magnets, and other hard to find replacement parts.

Plame’s transfer from the CPD Iran unit to the then far smaller Iraq desk would have coincided with the exposure of the Khan network by the newly-installed Bush Administration, climaxed by the publication on June 1, 2001 of an article published in the Times of London by Undersecretary of State Richard Armitage, all but naming Khan as the head of Pakistan’s trade nuclear trade with North Korea. That certainly tipped off Iran that the CIA was also aware of its dealings with Khan, forcing a halt to undercover work by Plame and her colleagues at CPD who might have been identified by the Khan operation. According to Corn:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060918/corn In 1997 she returned to CIA headquarters and joined the Counterproliferation Division. (About this time, she moved in with Joseph Wilson; they later married.) She was eventually given a choice: North Korea or Iraq. She selected the latter. Come the spring of 2001, she was in the CPD's modest Iraq branch. But that summer--before 9/11--word came down from the brass: We're ramping up on Iraq. Her unit was expanded and renamed the Joint Task Force on Iraq. Within months of 9/11, the JTFI grew to fifty or so employees. Valerie Wilson was placed in charge of its operations group.


Working alongside or within JTFI was the Iraq Issues Group, headed by the former long-time CIA Chief of Station in Islamabad, Richard Grenier. After Cheney first told his assistant, I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby about Plame, Libby contacted Grenier at JTFI. On June 11, Grenier was called out of a meeting with George Tenet to take a call from Libby, who wanted to know more about what Plame did at the Agency. http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/24/libby-liveblog-robert-grenier-two/

As reported here last March, Grenier “had been working in Pakistan for many years, a position that would make him familiar with A.Q. Khan's activities . . .” I went on to challenge some reports that had downplayed Plame’s involvement in matters related to the A.Q. Khan, that were said to be “peripheral” to her work within CPD:

See, www.dailykos.com/story/2006/3/20/14939/6889 ; http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/07/AR2006020700016.htmlThe court filing revealing Mr. Grenier's knowledge of Ms. Plame sheds new light on how the CIA's nuclear counterproliferation activities were connected to counter-terrorism operations in South Asia, and some new clues to Plame's role at CIA.

It has been reported that Plame's primary assignment at the time of her outing in the summer of 2003 was Iran's nuclear program. If Grenier's knowledge of Plame's role was gained during the run-up to the Iraq invasion, it might indicate that Grenier simply worked down the hall from Plame. On the other hand, the two may have had a closer acquaintance. If Grenier had been working with Plame earlier, this would have much broader implications for Plame's role within the Agency and might suggest possible additional motives for the White House Iraq Group (WHIG) to ruin her career.

It has been suggested that the underlying purpose of Plame's exposure was to remove her from a position where she reported on Iranian nuclear programs. The dominant view within the CIA of Iranian capabilities and intentions in the period 1997-2003 concluded that Iran had made little progress toward developing nuclear weapons. This occurred during a period after Iranian President Khatemi, relying on back-channel assurances from the Clinton Administration, apparently put a halt to Iran's relationship with Pakistani nuclear proliferator A.Q. Khan which had started in the mid-1980s. CIA assessments had reflected a tension between competing sources, as did reporting on the subject.

A January 17, 2000 New York Times article coauthored by James Risen and Judith Miller, for instance, illustrates this same deep split on the issue. That report said that while Iran had not yet developed an indigenous nuclear weapons capability, the CIA had circulated a report warning that Iran might have acquired nuclear materials from former Soviet republics, perhaps sufficient to construct a bomb, and might be in the process of developing intercontinental missiles. It chronicles the often alarmist minority view within the Agency about Iran's nuclear program:

"With limited intelligence about the Iranian program and Russian nuclear proliferation, the intelligence agencies have been reluctant to draw hard conclusions about Iran's nuclear potential.

"In 1992, for example, The New York Times reported that a draft C.I.A. report said Iran could develop a nuclear weapon by 2000. The next year, the agency calculated that Iran could develop a nuclear weapon in 8 to 10 years, according to a paper by W. Seth Carus, a defense analyst at the National Defense University.

"In 1995, another C.I.A. assessment concluded that Iran was three to five years from having a nuclear weapon, according to a knowledgeable former American official. But the former official criticized the analysis for relying too heavily on information from Israeli intelligence, which has had an interest in convincing the United States that Iran poses a strategic threat.

It seems likely that Plame may have worked with Grenier at some point on issues of common interest, such as Pakistani-Iranian nuclear ties.


Prior to her outing in July 2003, Plame may have briefly returned to work on Iran issues as she was transitioned out of CPD. What is clear, however, is that while she worked with Grenier in the Iraq Task Force, she was at the center of conflict over the interpretation of the aluminum tubes that some analysts argued offered proof that Saddam Hussein was reconstituting his nuclear program. Corn continued:

“. . . (Valerie) Wilson, too, occasionally flew overseas to monitor operations. She also went to Jordan to work with Jordanian intelligence officials who had intercepted a shipment of aluminum tubes heading to Iraq that CIA analysts were claiming — wrongly — were for a nuclear weapons program. . . .
When the Novak column ran, Valerie Wilson was in the process of changing her clandestine status from NOC to official cover, as she prepared for a new job in personnel management. Her aim, she told colleagues, was to put in time as an administrator — to rise up a notch or two — and then return to secret operations.


After she was exposed and became the center of the biggest political scandal since Watergate, Plame finally retired from the Agency in November 2005.

One thing we can plainly see about Plame’s career at CIA - it was intertwined with the Agency’s efforts to monitor A.Q. Khan’s dealings with Iran. When that operation was blown by Armitage, Iran lost its international suppliers for centrifuge equipment. This was a very good thing as it cut off international parts for Khan's centriguges. It also forced Iran to attempt to manufacture components domestically, which it reportedly has not done with great success. See, http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2000303,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12.
The really bad thing, however, is that in rolling up Khan’s global network, CIA CPD lost an inside view into what was going on in Iran. That had the effect of clearing the field for certain alternative sources of information about Iran’s nuclear program, such as the National Council for Resistance in Iran, an front group for the MEK, a terrorist group sponsored by Paul Wolfowitz, Ahmed Chalabi and the AEI’s Michael Ledeen.

In mid-August 2002, after Valerie Plame had cleaned out her desk at the CPD Iran unit, NCIR issued claims that Iran had dug a big hole in Natanz, where it intended to install centrigues. But, this wasn’t exactly news to the CIA.

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/1274/ncri-did-not-discover-natanz In December 2002, however, Mark Hibbs reported (no online copy) that the United States had briefed the IAEA on the purpose and location of Natanz before the NCRI allegations, at the optimal time to buy maximally incriminating satellite photographs:

For about a year, analysts at U.S. intelligence agencies and national laboratories, in part based on high-resolution reconnaissance imagery, and supported by procurement information , have been hardening suspicions that Iran was building a clandestine uranium enrichment plant in Natanz and a heavy water production facility in Arak, Western officials told NuclearFuel.


About six months ago, sources said, a limited amount of crucial information from the U.S. findings, including the precise geographical coordinates of the sites, was provided to the IAEA. Officials there said the agency then tasked a handful of Vienna personnel to examine the data using commercial satellite photos of the two locations. Mark Hibbs, “U.S. Briefed Suppliers Group in October on Suspected Iranian Enrichment Plant,” Nuclear Fuel 27:26, December 23, 2002, p. 1.



CHENEY – A Question of Motive

When Bush-Cheney took power, the CIA unit where Valerie Plame worked presented the principal institutional roadblock in the way to military attacks on the three “Axis of Evil” countries – Iraq, Iran and North Korea. In order to pursue them, the Administration had to work systematically to deconstruct the Division's highly successful CIA counter-proliferation program started by Bush 41 that had, under the Clinton Administration, effectively neutralized the atomic bomb programs of Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

The program of deconstructing CIA counter-proliferation made considerable progress. By late 2002, as the invasion of Iraq neared, nobody at CIA could say with certainty that the Chinese-made aluminum tubes interdicted would be used for. The agents and network that had once dealt with Khan were gone. Nonetheless, Plame flew to Jordan, where she interviewed Iraqi scientists and other sources. She concluded the tubes had other uses, but could not definitively counter other voices -- including external contractors, such as those working for Wade Cunningham's MZM, who were falsely claiming the aluminum stock was proof that Saddam was building Khan P-2 design centrifuges to "reconstitute" his nuclear program. The resulting CIA report was a toss-up, and the invasion advocates won the debate:

http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/09/now_this_is_a_s.html Although China, SENTENCE DELETED , a shipment of about 2,000 tubes had already been sent DELETED. In DELETED June, 2001, the tubes arrived DELETED authorities, DELETED, seized DELETED. A DELETED intelligence assessment disseminated on July 2, 2001 said DELETED personnel had inspected the tubes DELETED and said, "The tubes are constructed from high strength aluminum (7075-T6) and are manufactured to the tight tolerances necessary for gas centrifuges. The dimensions of the tubes match those of a publicly available gas centrifuge design from the 1950s, known as the Zippe centrifuge."12 The assessment concluded that "the specifications for the tubes far exceed any known conventional weapons application, including rocket motor casings for 81 -mm multiple rocket launchers."



Then, in early summer 2003, as it became evident that no WMD program was going to be unearthed in Iraq, Dick Cheney ordered his underlings to again go on the offensive. Destroy the complaining voices coming out of what remained of CIA Counter-Proliferation Division. That may have seemed at the time to Cheney, Libby and their confederates at WHIG to be a mere mopping-up exercise.


North Korea and the Khan Network

When the A.Q. Khan network was made public in 2001, the focus was on North Korea’s nuclear program. Like Iran, no sooner did Pyongyang reach an agreement with the Clinton Administration suspending its nuclear program than Khan entered from a side door, offering an alternative means to produce weapons-grade materials. We also learned in 2006 at the time of first live test of North Korea’s bomb that the technologies that were peddled to North Korea didn't work.

Since the 1960s North Korea had a perfectly good Soviet-built graphite reactor spewing out loads of plutonium and old Chinese-based plans for a plutonium bomb, major components of which were already completed when the Clinton Administration negotiated a suspension of the NK nuclear program.

A.Q. Khan appeared on the scene in the late 1990s, and sold NK a completely different technology -- centrifuges to produce enriched uranuim. Pyongyang essentially wasted million of scarce hard dollars to acquire this new system, which is incompatible with their existing plutonium-based program, which was under seal by the IAEA.

As referenced above, In his first State of the Union speech, President Bush identified North Korea, along with Iraq and Iran, as the “Axis of Evil’. Then, on June 1, the Bush Administration publicly accused NK of cheating -- based on the Khan equipment. Not surprisingly, North Koreans promptly kicked international inspectors out, and repossessed their plutonium fuel rods, from which they completed work on an atomic bomb. For reasons we can only speculate about, that test last October fizzled. The depletion of funds and the defection of some of their top scientists no doubt had something to do with it. See,
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/11/122932/53


Another casualty of the Bush Administration's outing of the Khan network was a similar program directed at Iran. Khan sold the Iranians plans and some components for a style of centrifuge -- the P-2 -- that was different from the older P-1 models, which use steel casings, the Iranians had been working with for nearly twenty years. The P-2 is about twice as efficient, but the parts are much harder to obtain and manufacture, which in effect, again slowed down the customer's program.

As James Risen's book reveals at page 193, after outing Khan, the Bush Administration rolled up what remained of the CIA network inside Iran by releasing the names of the agents inside that country to a known double-agent. This, of course, prompted Iran to pursue a much more secretive program, one that is far more difficult to track than it had been in the late 1990s. After Cheney and Libby outed Plame, they then had Porter Goss burn what was left of the CIA's Iran network. There would be little alternative intelligence sources to those being rolled out by the shop at the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans (OSP).

That was the idea, anyway, but the FBI busted Larry Franklin, instead, and the OSP-AIPAC plot was halted. See, Part 1.

IRAQ – The Issue Was Aluminum Tubes, Not Yellowcake

The A.Q. Khan network proliferated plans and components for uranium enrichment centrifuges and other nuclear technologies all over the world during the 1990s until the Bush Administration "outed" Khan in 2002.

Khan is known to have offered the P-2 centrifuge to Libya, North Korea, Iran, and Iraq. A centrigue assembly was unearthed in Iraq after the invasion, but found to pre-date the 1991 Gulf War, when Iraq did have the rudiments of a nuclear program. The CIA was tracking the global trade in the specialized components required for this type of device. The P-1 and P-2 came to be trace indicators for nuclear proliferation efforts of several countries of interest to the CIA.

One of the characteristics of the P-2 is that it requires high-strength aluminum tubes. The older P-1 style uses an annealed steel casing, which is heavier (it won't spin as fast) but more durable. The P-2 requires lots of spare aluminum tubes, which corrode quickly in a highly corrosive environment of uranium hexafloride gas.

In 2002, central to the claim that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program was interception of a shipment to Iraq of a stock of aluminum tubing. As Richard Grenier testified in the Libby trial last week, the issue of whether this aluminum tubing was for use in gas centrifuges was central to debate within the CIA Counter Proliferation Division (CPD) in which Grenier and Plame worked.

The final verdict was that the tubes had other uses, particularly as short-range rockets, which were not forbidden Iraq. This left the Niger Yellow Cake -- disputed by Wilson and his allies within CPD -- as one of the few fall-back positions the Administration could publicly use to justify the assertion that Saddam was rebuilding his nuclear program.

According to Grenier, in late 2002 and early 2003, the Niger Yellowcake question was not a subject of serious discussion within the CPD Iraq task force. This is because few who read Wilson's report took seriously the charge that Iraq had actually managed to obtain uranium from Niger. That issue had already been disposed of when Wilson visited Niger in early 2002. That followed a similar 1999 Mission that Wilson carried out for the CIA in which he investigated both Iranian and Pakistani (i.e. AQ Khan) efforts to obtain yellowcake from Niger. That trip is referenced in the CIA “unnamed” (Wilson) Debrief that Grossman & Ford passed about .

In all likelihood, Plame was well aware of the aluminum tubes issue, as this was the actual focus of interest at CPB during early 2003. It may be significant that Cheney’s lawyer, Richard Addington, was also interested in the Khan network in conjunction with the White House effort to counter Wilson, as a memo that came out at trial yesterday shows.


http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/01/30/libby-live-david-addington-three/
"W: It says Dept of Navy v Egan. Supreme Court Addington
W Two lines down declassify (it says AQ Khan in between)

W You recall reviewing these notes. You referred to Navy V Egan
A: I cited it, I didn't hand him a copy of it. He has ADD, but I'm sure that must refer to me.


Why did Cheney's lawyer focus on Khan in June 2003? We can conclude it may have had to do with Plame's work on the aluminum tubes issue, the tale-tale indicator that someone was operating the P-2 centrifuge, which eats up replacement aluminum tubes.

As we've seen, the CIA had been well aware of the proliferation activities of the AQ Khan network, with particular interest in monitoring the tell-tale trade in P-2 components. David Corn tells us that in 1997, a couple years after she was first hired into CIA, Valerie Plame was given a choice of WMD monitoring assignments -- North Korea or Iran. She chose the latter. Both countries were approached at about this time by the Khan network with designs and components for the P-2, an offer that didn't work out well for the customers.

Recall that this was at a time that the Clinton Administration had worked out an inspections agreement with both countries. Before the Khan sales, North Korea had a plutonium program using their old Soviet-provided reactors. Iran, meanwhile, had been using P-1 type centrifuges for 15 years. Yes, Plame would have certainly known about the Khan deals and been at the center of the debate about Iraq and Iran WMD programs within CIA.

In 2002-03, the Administration wanted badly to change the Agency's consensus assessment about the Iran, Iraq and North Korea nuclear programs -- neither Iran nor Iraq was anywhere near being able to build a bomb, CPB had concluded, North Korea had been sidetracked -- Plame would, indeed, have to be neutralized.

The Other Motive: Joe wasn’t Cheney’s true target, Valerie and the CIA were.


The Administration and its allies in the intelligence community justified the destruction of the CPD’s Iran and North Korea programs as a way to put Khan back into the bottle, while simultaneously creating a casus belli for confrontation with Khan's customers. This had the effect of cutting short the IAEA inspections agreements that had been reached with both countries. It also allowed North Korea to realize sooner than they would have that their bomb design and manufacture was defective, and the Iranians response as to disperse their and redouble their nuclear program.
Outing CIA CPD (Brewster-Jennings was a front) had the effect of doing away with competing intelligence sources -- sources that were being uncooperative in building the Administration's false case for attacking Iraq AND Iran.

In effect, the Bush-Cheney Administration’s exposure of Plame and her role at CIA was intended to finish the job of outing the CPD unit where she worked. Naming her as an undercover CIA agent in WMD gave away everyone else she was known to have worked with here and abroad.

In other words, by identifying Plame, the defendant made it easy for foreign intelligence to identify others within CPD, and their agent networks, with whom she was observed to have had contact over the years, in Iran and elsewhere.

Think about the scale and seriousness of the crimes that Cheney and Libby had just committed when they outed Plame. When no WMD were found in Iraq, they were screwed, if nothing was done. The Administration had been caught red-handed manipulating the U.S. into an illegal, unjustified war.
They say that if you're in a hole, keep digging until you start to see light or feel heat. The only thing that might possibly save Dick and Scooter in June 2003 was to parlay the WMD threat of another country into a real war.

The last war is always forgotten as soon as a new one starts.

Target Iran, which had a real nuclear program, albeit one that the CIA had concluded was some five years away from completion. There weren't many other options left.

CONCLUSION

Libby isn't Fitz’s true target, Cheney is.

That's been the operating premise for many of us from the beginning of the Libby trial. Everything that's been said by each and every witness buttresses the case for a conspiracy indictment against Cheney.

I believe a jury, in the event that he is eventually put on trial, would convict Dick Cheney on charges of Treason.
__________________________________________
2007. Mark G. Levey
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:24 AM
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1. K&R
The wheels on the bus of justice turn so slowly, it makes me near crazy.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:25 AM
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2. Kick
I don't have an opportunity to read and digest all of this now. I'll print it out to read later. :hi: Thanks for posting.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:29 AM
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3. What is Bolton's role in all this? Wasn't he counter-proliferation boss for
administration?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:33 AM
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5. Bolton is like Bush--it's hard to imagine him being right for any job except concentration camp
guard.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:31 AM
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4. K&R
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:41 AM
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6. Nominated!
Very well done!
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:41 AM
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7. How gullible is this country that Bush & Cheney ever had any credibility on national security.
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 11:41 AM by quiet.american
As someone else mentioned, this is a lot to digest -- excellent background -- thank you for posting.

Even before Bush et al. were installed, so many of us knew they were against the best interests of the U.S. -- how gullible are all the people that so fanatically supported the self-destruction of this country. Every time I think of them, it's with disgust.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:45 AM
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8. I call their actions treason.
All for their stupid NeoCon ideology.
You go, Mr. Fitzgerald!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:41 PM
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28. The neocons were convenient abetters of the fascists who had this agenda set
many years ago, decades before we ever heard the word neocon.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:06 PM
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9. It's imperative that we always look at what this regime actually accomplished ...
... and NOT what they claim they try to accomplish. It's too easy to accept the incompetence 'defense' when they've made themselves very wealthy and powerful. Their totally amoral motive is wealth and power - and nothing but wealth and power. In destroying Brewster Jennings and Associates, they cleared another obstacle to obtaining yet more wealth and power - profiteering on human suffering and death.

Many people presume that corporations will reflect the morals and values of the people who run them, but fail to realize that the singular corporate morality is profit and the people who run them adopt that amorality instead of vice versa. In my experience, it's very rare to find an executive of a Fortune 100 corporation that has not jettisoned all morality in the all-consuming quest for profit. Such morality is a career-limiting burden for such people. To the degree that they pretend to possess some vestigial morality, it's solely a subterfuge in service to profiteering. This is the most corrupting influence of the day - far more, even, than holding public office per se.

Cheney is the epitome of unbounded amorality - totally consumed in the obssessive quest for more wealth and power. He's a total corporate sociopath - a voracious maggot feeding upon the body politic.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:36 PM
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18. I'd like to add my normal P.S. - stockholders. The stockholders
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 01:41 PM by higher class
in these corporations and their Board of Directors are equal to the ceo's and they are co-equal partners with politicians, military, media who plan and carry out the wars ( plus the destruction of unions, job thefts, overseas registrations which removes them from U.S. environmental laws and truth in profits, and the loss of taxes to run this country which pile it on the dwindling middle class).

I feel sorry for employees who are invested in funds through their companies, but can't find out whether their funds facilitate war mongering and tax and law evading corporations (especially the ones most closely tied to the WH occupants - and all those fooling around with all the lives on this planet).

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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:03 PM
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25. I have often wondered how they face their family when they sit
down to dinner and breakfast with them.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:49 PM
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30. It should be obvious that the families enjoy the perquisites of wealth without dirty hands.
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:52 PM by TahitiNut
Those THREE Porshe Targa's in the garage help. Weeks of vacationing at posh resorts help. Access to luxury boxes at sporting events helps. Having their own "job" that requires about 15-20 hours of "work" in a week while taking a salary of $80-120K helps. Big-screen HDTV. Swimming pools. All-expense-paid college educations - or approximations thereof. I've NEVER heard of a divorce among such people where the spouse didn't want a share of the booty. Never. It's amazing how the life such wealth provides is so soothing to (alleged) consciences.

"Can't Buy Me Love"?? Maybe not ... but it sure makes a huge down payment.

After all, when other people envy you, can what you're doing be bad? Of course not! Envy is proof that it's "right." (Rarely does anyone bother to distinguish between 'envy' and 'admiration.')
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 04:47 PM
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31. I am certain that most of the wealth is very much hidden - remember back in June 2001 when all banks
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 04:47 PM by blm
were to start reporting all activities of their offshore accounts as part of the terror tracking legislation crafted by Kerry and signed by Clinton as part of the anti-terror bill.

Bush put a hold on it for 'review' and then in Nov.2001 (while media was preoccupied with terror and anthrax) decided that banks and their customers could have an additional FIVE YEARS before they start reporting.

IIRC it went down pretty much like that.
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ktlyon Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 04:54 PM
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32. It is not really the money
It's that their work decisions are selling out the planet, which means their grand kid's futures too. They can't believe unlimited borrowing with no plan for repayment is acceptable. Are they so selfish?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 06:18 PM
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34. They're control freaks who think they can handle the world once its shaped to
their liking. The heads of the major corporations will be the Governors of their sectors. They're fascists.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 11:42 AM
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56. I have often wondered how the hell they say their prayers at night.
They claim to be so religeous...yet they are totally immoral in every sense of the word. Is there any one of the 10 commandants that they don't break?
How can all those hypocrites pray at night and then sleep like a baby?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:02 PM
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57. Probably like a letter to Santa Claus.
:shrug:

There's no way the claim of being a "Christian" or a "Muslim" assures me, or even comes close, that the claimant regards that claim as being possessed of a faith that comes close to even the loosest theological approximations with which I'm somewhat familiar.

Indeed, I'm convinced that Cheney/Bush effectively subscribe to the belief that, like Jesus, other people should die for their sins. To say that's a perversion of Christianity would be an understatement - but I'm left with no other interpretation that would describe their hypocrisy.

I personally regard the only valid prayer to be one of gratitude. To believe in an omnipotent, trancendant (even of time itself) Consciousness (the "Big Is") must also include the belief that such a Consciousness sees all our (what we call) future 'needs' and has already Provided for them, even in ways that we might not understand. To pretend understanding is to subordinate that 'G-D' to our meager intellect - hubris, to say the least.

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:42 PM
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10. Great research Mark...well done!
One thing that has bothered me...Cheney's handwritten notes on the NYT article. Why would Mr. Secrecy save that? Why wasn't that shredded after giving Scooter his marching orders? I think it's because he wanted a smoking gun that pointed to political revenge, rather than the far more serious crimes that you have outlined in your excellent synopses.

Kudos!

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:49 PM
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11. Scooter was keeping a CYA file
into which he placed Cheney's notes. In addition, Scooter may have also been aware that destroying Cheney's instructions would surely get him 10 years in the federal pen, if it was ever discovered.

The way the defense and prosecution have been playing this strikes me as a tag-team wrestling match, the outcome of which is to get as many details as possible about Cheney's criminal activities on the record. It could be that a deal has been made.

These are the only explanations for what's been going on that make any sense to me.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 12:54 PM
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12. Has it been made public who asked Plame
to get involved in choosing the person to go to Niger?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:20 PM
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14. Wilson was sent to Niger in 2002 because CIA had sent him 3 yrs earlier
on a similar mission there to check out yellowcake purchases that Khan was trying to make, reportedly for Pakistan and Iran.

Iran has never denied it had a nuclear program going back to the time of the Shah. Although Iran has large domestic uranium deposits, Khan offered to see about buying some already processed into yellow cake in Niger.

Wilson was the obvious person to send after Cheney brought it up again. As Grenier testified, nobody at CIA CPD believed the Niger forgeries -- the true-beleivers in that accusation were located at State Dept. (Bolton), which on 12/19/02 issued a "backgrounder' raised the charge again, some people at WINPAC (the CIA's non-covert analytic wing), and of course at OSP and OVP, which was channeling materials from the Mossad station at the Israeli Embassy.

Valerie definitely did NOT make the decision to send Wilson to Niger again.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:25 PM
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15. But wasn't there a story out that Valeri was asked to send her husband?
or recommend him for the job.. I'm wondering because it occured to me that perhaps Cheney specifically asked for him to be sent. Joe originally said the request came from the OVP.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:35 PM
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17. That's right. OVP was saying the trip was nepotism, a "junket".
We've been told may times that line was spun by WHIG to reporters in an attempt to discredit Wilson. The implication was that she was just trying to send Wilson on a holiday vacation. Niger isn't a tourist destination.

Actually, I think this is just a cover-story -- a pretense to bring up Valerie Plame in order to "out" her.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:47 PM
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20. I think it's cover too, but that takes me right back to my original question
Who talked to Plame about sending someone?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:01 PM
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24. The first written reference to Plame and the trip is in the INR Note
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:03 PM by leveymg
written by a Sr. Analyst in the State Dept intelligence office which the WaPO described, thus: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002517_2.html

Rove and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, have been identified as people who discussed Wilson's wife with Cooper. Prosecutors are trying to determine the origin of their knowledge of Plame, including whether it was from the INR memo or from conversations with reporters. The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that the memo made it clear that information about Wilson's wife was sensitive and should not be shared. Yesterday, sources provided greater detail on the memo to The Post. The material in the memo about Wilson's wife was based on notes taken by an INR analyst who attended a Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA where Wilson's intelligence-gathering trip to Niger was discussed.

The memo was drafted June 10, 2003, for Undersecretary of State Marc Grossman, who asked to be brought up to date on INR's opposition to the White House view that Hussein was trying to buy uranium in Africa. The description of Wilson's wife and her role in the Feb. 19, 2002, meeting at the CIA was considered "a footnote" in a background paragraph in the memo, according to an official who was aware of the process.

It records that the INR analyst at the meeting opposed Wilson's trip to Niger because the State Department, through other inquiries, already had disproved the allegation that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. Attached to the INR memo were the notes taken by the senior INR analyst who attended the 2002 meeting at the CIA. On July 6, 2003, shortly after Wilson went public on NBC's "Meet the Press" and in The Post and the New York Times discussing his trip to Niger, the INR director at the time, Carl W. Ford Jr., was asked to explain Wilson's statements for Powell, according to sources familiar with the events. He went back and reprinted the June 10 memo but changed the addressee from Grossman to Powell. Ford last year appeared before the federal grand jury investigating the leak and described the details surrounding the INR memo, the sources said. Yesterday he was on vacation in Arkansas, according to his office.



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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:07 AM
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45. Ford did not write the memo
He tasked an analyst to do it based on notes from yet another analyst in INR, the one who happened to be at the CIA meeting when the Mrs. brought the Mr. in.
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:18 PM
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13. Good work, Mr. Levey
I especially love the last sentence. k/r
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:26 PM
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16. Wow! Thank you, leveymg.
Recommended and bookmarked!

:dem:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:39 PM
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19. Khan's connection DOES predate 1997. He was part of BCCI investigation and one of the
matters that Kerry wanted FURTHER SCRUTINY in late 1992.

This list of unanswered questions includes both Marc Rich AND AQ Khan - and Scooter Libby was Marc Rich's lawyer:



There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al- Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British
investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including
the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich
remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political
figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:51 PM
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21. I suggested in Part 1 that relationship goes back to the mid-1970s.
I wouldn't believe for a second that Tenet has told the WHOLE truth about anything in public for a long time. It's interesting, though, that Tenet should fix on that date. Suggests to me that Tenet knows that foreign intel was looking closely at the Plame case for clues about CPD, and he's still doing his job trying to come up with a minimally plausible cover-story.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 01:53 PM
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22. Plausible, like Marc Rich was pardoned on 'tax-evasion' when he was a central
figure in the armsdealing and proliferation business that abetted the terrorist networks?
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:14 PM
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26. Iran-Contra, BCCI, 9/11, Plamegate - same actors, same modus operandi
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 03:13 PM by leveymg
No doubt, we see the same faces and lies recycled, over and over, again. They've all been enormously destructive.

I think that what's different this time is the effort to scapegoat (unwilling) CIA officers -- somehow, they went too far this time, and some really high-ranking scoundrels (Cheney) are going to made to pay. What's also different is that the cover-story -- Iraq nukes -- was so transparently false, and the results were almost immediately recognized as a fraud. As far as plausible deniability for this program, there really wasn't any. Finally, the fact that Americans were committed to a LOSING, illegal war -- at least the occupation part of it, according to the terms of success offered -- really pissed off the Pentagon brass. That's the biggest reason phase two attack into Iran was blocked,

It's a torturously slow process to do it legally. But, we're finally seeing some real progress.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:01 PM
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23. Pakistan and Khan -In January 2001 and before it was obvious that our true enemies
Edited on Mon Feb-05-07 02:02 PM by higher class
were Pakistan and Khan. Nothing was done in the form of declaring a 'duo of evil'.

By stealth or not, 9-11 sent us after Afghanistan and bin Laden.

By cunning, we ended up slaughtering people in Iraq.

The progression is obvious.

We now know some of the stories behind the stories that are fed to us.

And we have still never gone after Pakistan and Khan.

We are friends with Pakistan and Khan because our leaders are friends with Pakistan and Khan and because our leaders and their friends make money with Pakistan and Khan.

In addition to the known and guessed motives for using our kids for leader and corporate gain through killing (i.e., oil, water, bases in the ME, control of the ME, protection of Israel, secure pipelines, profit by petroleum until dried up, perpetual fear by the word atomic) - we are learning the depths of motives behind the manuevers and lies fed to us that cause all the death, destruction, debt, and deceit. The top end of our leaders, our corporations, our military, and our media are co-conspirators in the trading and commerce of war and the killing occurs because of the loyalties, betrayals, revenge, and machinations in the normal profit taking of war.

It's up to us to find out if there are any honest people who we are paying to represent us. Or if we are grand fools.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 01:45 PM
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64. America's REAL enemies are BushInc's longtime friends and allies.
Everything else is part of their global dog and pony show - some of which they have recently lost their control.
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:25 PM
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27. This is incredible stuff.
Thanks for posting.

I especially love this conclusion:

I believe a jury, in the event that he is eventually put on trial, would convict Dick Cheney on charges of Treason.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
60. I wouldn't be surprised if a contingent of military
walked into the WH with an arrest warrant. After reading Cheney his rights,
frog-marched him down the WH steps to a barrage of waiting press and reporters.

Very, very, soon!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 02:47 PM
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29. ESPIONAGE
thats what this is
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 05:07 PM
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33. Kicked, recommended and bookmarked!
It should also be pinned to the top, imo.

:kick:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 07:35 PM
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35. Has Dick Armitage lost his clearance yet?
Because, if he hasn't, then his role in this isn't accidental. Keeping someone who is known to have loose lips in a high security clearance position is just too fishy.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:28 AM
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46. Armitage's role was what struck me
In 2001, Armitage outs the A.Q. Khan network. In 2003 Armitage -- allegedly -- outs Valerie Plame to Bob Novak. There's something fishy there.

Despite his current reputation as a relative moderate when compared with the Neocons, Armitage is not a good guy. From his involvement with the CIA's opium-smuggling in Southeast Asia in the 70's and his close connections with the rogue CIA figures of the "Enterprise," to Iran-Contra, to his more recent ties to Unocal and to Pakistan's ISI, he's been almost everywhere that dubious things were happening for the past 30-some years.

I highly doubt that he's an innocent bystander in this Plame mess.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:00 AM
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53. Exactly. Something here isn't right.
If he was a black man going up before a hearing saying, oopsy, I inadvertently said this or that, but everyone knows I have a big mouth...well, he'd be out looking for a security job for storage facility.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:33 PM
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61. Just about anyone would - anyone but a BFEE made man.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:50 PM
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36. How is this not treason? nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:57 PM
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38. Easy- there are no nations anymore, only corporations
and this helped a lot of corporatations sell weapons. Cheney & Company are loyal to the corporations that run things. America? Sorry, they never heard of it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:03 AM
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54. You nailed it EXACTLY. This is the result of a steady march of fascism and it could
only happen with a distracting friendly face Dem administration to provide added cover while the march continued its agenda.

And now we want to put in the NEXT coverup Dem administration? For crissakes, Dems, start supporting OPEN GOVERNMENT Democrats.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 08:56 PM
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37. Who is Mark G. Levey, and how did he get to be so damned smart?
Fascinating compilation of evidence, sir.

:thumbsup:
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:35 PM
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39. Kicking & recommending for wider viewing.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 10:36 PM
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40. K and R
:kick:

"I believe a jury, in the event that he is eventually put on trial, would convict Dick Cheney on charges of Treason."

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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:02 PM
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41. Only one conclusion is possible: Richard Cheney is a traitor.
K&R, bookmarking to print out and read later along with Part 1. Congratulations on your superb research and analysis.
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Klukie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:17 PM
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42. Do you think...
that the folks in the Counter Proliferation Division (CPD) were aware of the administrations motives and do you think they tried to do anything about it?
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-05-07 11:56 PM
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43. So there was a war going on - but it was between the White House and the CIA.
Over the information and the apparatus to give the neocons a semi-valid excuse they needed to invade Iraq.

Very good post, leveymg.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:59 AM
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50. I think it was Frontline that ran a segment on a suspected
wrestling match between CIA and Cheney/Rumsfeld. Tenet lost, according to that account.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:14 PM
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58. Yeah, I saw that and I wonder where Mr. Tenet is hiding these days.
Because I'd really like to hear what he has to say about all this.

You're really on top of things, sfexpat2000, so I tend to seek out what you say here.
Keep up the good work.
Our country needs more people like you.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 09:08 AM
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55. This was evident in 2003 when some CIA were lining up behind Kerry early on
as did Joe Wilson. They would know that HE had the insight into this based on BCCI investigation.

I said here at DU that 2004 was actually turning into a battle WITHIN The CIA between CIA loyal to Americans and CIA loyal to the Bush agenda. We know that after the election, Bush had Goss PURGE every agent he suspected of supporting Kerry.

Too bad none of the good agents focused on voting machine fraud.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 04:24 PM
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59. I think you are more accurate, it was a war within the CIA itself, for the truth.
Whenever Robert Baer went on teevee I made sure to catch his interviews. It was a harsh awakening to come to realize that they weren't all pulling together in the same direction at the CIA.

The 2004 election was the first Presidential election I have ever witnessed in which a candidate had a former CIA agent speak up for him.
It's a sad state of affairs when a candidate has to have someone like that, a former secret agent, speak on his behalf because of all of the lies the current President has told the American public.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 02:05 AM
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44. um...
do you know what i see missing?
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 03:27 AM
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47. 9/11would be my guess
The glaring of it makes me wonder about any and all of it.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:39 AM
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52. Me too
:thumbsup:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:48 AM
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49. I placed her at the CPD Iran desk earlier than Corn indicated
but the rest of it still holds together, I believe. I'll do a light rewrite before I repost elsewhere.

Please e-mail me if there's something else, LaLa.

- Mark
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 05:48 AM
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48. Cheney - lots of time at an "undisclosed location."
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 08:16 AM
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51. Suggested new title: "Team B" Goes Operational
This same cast of treasonous characters has been "at war" with OUR CIA for decades.

The Clinton years of peace, prosperity, and progress presented them with an "existential threat." So they decided to expand what was only a propaganda war, steal US elections, and "go operational."

The result has been to put the American People in the crosshairs, shred the US Constitution, and transform our once-great, beacon of hope to mankind into a War Crimanal Nation.

As much as I pray that Fitzgerald will succeed where Lawrence Walsh, the Kerry Commission, and other smaller players have not, I can't confess to any confidence that "things have changed" all that much.

Only Impeachment ... can give the American People a chance to impose their sovereign justice on these traitors.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-06-07 10:22 PM
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62. kick!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 07:52 AM
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63. republicon traitors to the United States of America
republicons lack all honor, all patriotism.


Life without honor = republicon
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