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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:44 PM
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NYT editorial tomorrow - time to get out of Iraq NOW.....
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/08/opinion/08sun1.html?_r=2&hp=&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Longish editorial of record from the New York times says it is time to get out and get out now because bush is doing nothing but waiting to dump the mess on his replacement.

about time.

maybe theyve been watching live earth today

msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:27 PM
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1. Better late than never, Times...
welcome to the real world.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:49 PM
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7. I wonder what this says about Wall Street.
:shrug:
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:49 PM
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2. Great editorial...
...the only thing I disagreed with was their use of the term "war" to describe the current situation, rather than "occupation". They did, however, use the term "invasion" a number of times, which is great.

I also very much appreciate that they recognize the president's ploy for what it is: run out the clock and leave the mess for the next president to clean up.

About friggin' time, that's for sure.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:20 PM
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3. Whoa! The turning point has, beyond question, been reached
imo. For the NYT to publish this editorial tells me they know the tide has turned and not just a little.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:22 PM
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4. Better Late Than Never, NYT
The Unvarnished Truth about Smirk, Snarl and their Occupation
is finally being told in the Corporate Press
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:48 PM
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5. That's a great editorial.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:49 PM
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6. holy crap
it's over
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-08-07 12:23 AM
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8. Wow! They didn't pull any stops. Breathtakingly honest and hard hitting. I'm shocked.
It is time for the United States to leave Iraq, without any more delay than the Pentagon needs to organize an orderly exit. Like many Americans, we have put off that conclusion, waiting for a sign that President Bush was seriously trying to dig the United States out of the disaster he created by invading Iraq without sufficient cause, in the face of global opposition, and without a plan to stabilize the country afterward.

At first, we believed that after destroying Iraq’s government, army, police and economic structures, the United States was obliged to try to accomplish some of the goals Mr. Bush claimed to be pursuing, chiefly building a stable, unified Iraq. When it became clear that the president had neither the vision nor the means to do that, we argued against setting a withdrawal date while there was still some chance to mitigate the chaos that would most likely follow.

While Mr. Bush scorns deadlines, he kept promising breakthroughs — after elections, after a constitution, after sending in thousands more troops. But those milestones came and went without any progress toward a stable, democratic Iraq or a path for withdrawal. It is frighteningly clear that Mr. Bush’s plan is to stay the course as long as he is president and dump the mess on his successor. Whatever his cause was, it is lost.

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President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have used demagoguery and fear to quell Americans’ demands for an end to this war. They say withdrawing will create bloodshed and chaos and encourage terrorists. Actually, all of that has already happened — the result of this unnecessary invasion and the incompetent management of this war.

This country faces a choice. We can go on allowing Mr. Bush to drag out this war without end or purpose. Or we can insist that American troops are withdrawn as quickly and safely as we can manage — with as much effort as possible to stop the chaos from spreading.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-08-07 02:58 AM
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9. ...Whatever his cause was, it is lost...
Oil.
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