Catcalls Drowned Out Hillary Fans At DNC Meeting

[jakem]

AP


Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton got very different receptions from the crowd at the Democratic National Committee's winter meeting, where all of the party's presidential candidates spoke.

Obama and the crowd exchanged "I love you"s and other endearments as he took the stage. And through the whole of his speech, the audience chanted, "You can do it!"

Clinton's welcome was not just less enthusiastic, but hostile -- and though there seemed to be almost as many Clinton placards as there were people in the room, catcalls drowned out any roars of approval from her cheering section as she began to speak. In reaction to a claim that she had been a tough critic of the war, someone in the crowd shouted, "NOT!'' Code Pink protesters repeatedly interrupted her, yelling, "Stop funding war!'' and one Army vet kept calling, "How about bringing them home, Hillary?'' Definitely, the applause at the end of her address was much louder than when she'd started - which, as her campaign sees it, is how all of America will react once they get to know her. Unless, you know, they already did that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/02/04/catcalls-drowned-out-hill_n_40410.html

[Bitwit1234]

1. The republicans don't have to oppose democrats

it seems that the democrats will slur and slam them themselves. If the democrats could ONE DAMN TIME show they are united in ANYTHING they might get something done.

Don't the republican flame the democrats enough without the dems doing it to themselves.

[Colobo]

2. It's natural

Primaries do not tend to be friendly; candidates are competing against each other, and people will, momentarily, take sides...

[BayCityProgressive]

3. well lets face it

teh Dem party is a walking contradiction. For the war before they were against it. For unions while supporting NAFTA, For universal healthcare while opposing single-payer, for gay rights-oppose gay marriage ect ect ect. It's enough to make your head spin.

[pokercat999]

22. It's enough to make you

:puke:

[tabasco]

25. The way you spin is enough to make me think you're a top.

More Dems voted against the IWR than voted for it. That blows away your first point. I don't think the rest are worth the effort.

Here's a picture of some Army recruiters ....just for the heck of it!!

[noamnety]

26. That's true in the house, but not the senate

More Dems in the senate voted for it than against it.

[tabasco]

29. What does that have to do with my statement.

More Democrats in Congress voted against the IWR than voted for it. Do you need some help with comprehension too?

[noamnety]

30. It's just an observation.

I'm posting facts, same as you. There's no need to be condescending or rude.

[tabasco]

32. Sorry.

:hi:

(I thought I was posting to somebody else but that's no excuse) :dunce:

[aquart]

43. Because it's clear that IWR was perceived differently in the House than the Senate.

BTW, how many members of the House who voted against IWR are running for President?

[eridani]

50. Dennis Kucinich

--who also organized the House antiwar vote.

[BayCityProgressive]

27. oh goody

so since only about 40% of dems favored the war we are okay! The rest of my points are valid, that is why you don't respond. Thanks for playing! Oh and as for the army recruiters...they are likely to come knocking no matter which party wins...remeber vietnam??

[tabasco]

31. Sure, I knock down your phony argument and you get your feelings hurt.

:cry: Boohoohoo!! :cry:

You lump all Dems together with your bullshit argument and then try to parse words when called on your bullshit.

[BayCityProgressive]

33. LOL

you seem to be getting much more emotional than I am. It is fact that the Dems backed the war. The Dem leadership backed it and many in the congress and a majority in the senate. Sorry I didn't put exact numbers down for you. Yes, if Dems put pro-NAFTA pro-war cronies in positions of power than they are by default supporting these things. I am sorry we disagree. I do believe the Dem party is a mess that does nto back the working class unless it is absolutely forced to and your rude posts aren't going to change my mind on that. This is why I remain an independant and will vote for whom I choose...I won't march lockstep behind anything with a "D" behind it.:hi:

[aquart]

44. WHOA! Now that is impressively inaccurate oversimplification.

There was a legal draft in place before and during Viet Nam.

And anyone who hasn't figured out by NOW that there IS a difference between the two parties is a die-hard Naderite who has been living in a cave on a Pacific island with the last remaining soldier from World War II for the last six years.

[Usrename]

74. Do you really think Lieberman is any different than Bush?

Lieberman would have become President if Bush lost in 2000.

Think clearly on this.

[aquart]

41. There is that.

We still support NAFTA? Oh, why?

[Zhade]

46. THANK you.

Sometimes I think people don't realize the deep, deep divions in the party.

[Greyhound]

67. Or is it that we have a significant number of party members that do not share

the party's values?

Can it be that there is a tiny, but very influential, minority that has seized a disproportional amount of power within the party, primarily for their ability to bring the cash? After all, thanks to our system of legalized bribery, it takes ridiculous amounts of money to run a campaign and what is easier, to get a few huge donations in exchange for a few votes, or to raise thousands and thousand of little donations and be subjected to the scrutiny and demands of those people once you're in? We all know, because we've seen it hundreds of times, that the sheeple are not interested in politics and are happy to remain in their blissful ignorance, and that they will just vote for whoever shouts the loudest (or runs the most sensational ads) and the day after the election you can do pretty much whatever you want with no fear of consequences.

Business interests bought the re:puke:s over a century ago, but those annoying citizens kept spoiling all their schemes, what would you do?

[demnan]

4. I'm with you on this one

I like the Reagan rule "Thou shalt not speak ill of any Republican . . ."

We should adopt that. I have my own feelings about Clinton but I still respect her, I don't want her to be the candidate, but I'd like to hear what she has to say.

[John Q. Citizen]

8. Naw, Reagan was an asshole. That was a rule for assholes by assholes.

[Colobo]

12. Wrong

Dissent and constructive criticism is essential for the growth of any organization.

[pampango]

71. Excellent point. Suppressing dissent "for the good of the cause"

is not a good strategy or healthy for the organization. I do wish that we would let all sides and candidates speak whether we agree with them or not. Let the decisions be influenced by organizing and voting, not by how loud our voices are.

[Zhade]

47. You think blind partisanship as pimped by Reagan is the way to go?

Funny, I thought we had a democratic process with freedom of speech. Silly me.

[hayu_lol]

6. Democrats will never operate in agreement on much of anything...

thats what makes us a party that is primarily for the people--all the people.

This is the start of primary season. This is a time to see what our wanna-bes are made of. Big league stuff and the stakes are tremendous. Hillary has to stand on her record...and to date...it pretty much sucks.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. Yes. Just shut up and roll over and accept the media's pre-selected divinely ordained nominee.

Eh?

[CoffeeCat]

13. Unity is not the end game...

Standing up for democracy and ending the Fascist, warmongering tactics
of these horrifying thugs who now inhabit the White House--should be
priority one.

Hillary remained silent while Junior folds the Constitution into little
footballs and flings them at Karl Rove. Where was she on Abu Graib? Where
was she on illegal wiretapping? What is her opinion about Gonzales declaring
that Habeas Corporas is a figment of our imaginations? Where is Hillary on
torture? What does Hillary have to say about hackable voting machines?

Hillary said nothing--as this nation has been sliding into hell.

Those who jeered her are American heroes. I would jeer too. I am so
sick and tired of the media telling me that she is our candidate.

I would also give extra jeers due to her latest shenanigans. She went
along with the Iraq war, and refused to recant any votes on the Iraq
war--when Kennedy, Kerry and others publicly denounced their votes. She
flat out refused. But NOW---when it's too late, she denounces Iraq, but
now shakes her pom pons for war with Iran. A few years from now, when
Iran is in shreds and we've murdered thousands of innocents and our nation
is crumbling further--should I be impressed when Hillary denounces her
Iran-war stance of 2007?

Anyone who can't see that she went over to the dark side--long ago--is
not dealing with reality.

I'll be damned if I'll go along with a warmongering, corporatist, elitist
sellout in our own party--for the sake of "unity".

[ikojo]

21. They are COMPETING to see who will be the

presidential candidate for the Democrats. Of course HiLIEry will meet up with opposition along the PRIMARY campaign trail. Wow! Just because the media has crowned her and Barack Obama as the front runners doesn't mean we who oppose her aren't allowed to be vocal about it.

HiLIEry is no friend of working Americans. Remember she served on Wal-Mart's board of directors.

[Trajan]

23. I despise the circular firing squad ....

But it's early .. Let people have their heads and go whither they wish .... Hillary and the rest are in it for the long haul .... the criticism will be good for her down the road ....

Kinda like forcing muscles to strain and adapt during exercize : that is how they get toned and powerful ....

I have no fave yet, but I do get kinda pissed when our own party members get all vitriolic against our own squad .... But that will pass eventually, and whoever is left will be battle hardened and ready to go against the GOP ...

Try to stick it out ....

I do note those here who become overly critical and shrill against our own ... I dont feel comfortable with them behind me ... I have a feeling they DONT have my back ....

[Bucky]

34. It's not a circular firing squad. She really is that divisive, even within our party

My sister, a yellow dog Democrat and just about the biggest feminist you'd ever want to meet, told me she completely understood Bill Clinton having affairs because of how annoying she finds Mrs Clinton. I was stunned. I don't think we've ever disagreed on a candidate or major political issue before. But Sen Clinton just seems to evoke hostility in people.

Much of that will be muted if she's nominated. But don't expect to see a uniform enthusiasm for her among Democrats in the fall if that happens. She is not an inspiring leader.

[donco6]

36. What is that picture in your sig line? Why are they cheering? n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

59. That's the infamous "Pinstripe Riot" in Miami, 2000 that disrupted the recount there n/t

[Lerkfish]

5. Interesting. I don't approve of preventing a speaker from speaking, but

I find it interesting how Clinton is being held to the fire concerning her hawkish positions.

From the iowa speech, we were all told how impressed the crowd was. I find both of these reactions extreme.

[goforit]

39. Hell, you reap what you sow. And Like Bush she earned her BOOOOs

[originalpckelly]

7. Well, she's going to find that those of us who oppose the war...

will be there at every opportunity to oppose her. It'd be nice to have our first woman President, in fact I'd say were way fucking overdue, but anyone other than Hillary. It'd be really cool if speaker Pelosi would run.

[MasonJar]

10. The way I look at it is that we are damned lucky to have such a

cadre of eligible and talented candidates, who are willing to take abuse in order to serve their country. I love them all, including two or three who have not and may not declare. Whomever you all choose, I will work hard for. The Republicans have proven they are a disaster, an idiot president with the meanest snake for the vice and only one or two pugs in Congress willing to stop the avalanche of evil by speaking out. The PUGS MUST GO and we have to stick together to accomplish that finale.

[gratefultobelib]

11. Yes--a fine post! I agree wholeheartedly.

[illinoisprogressive]

14. Don't like Hillary but, I think she shouldn't have had catcalls at the DNC

This was a kickoff for the campaign and the supporters of whoever should have been respectful.
I support Obama and did not hear the chanting of You can do it. There were some I love yous and obama chanted but, didn't hear the other. I think the audience was so wrapped up in his speech they were still. That was so cool. To have an audience like that become so attentive as to become totally silent. How powerful.

[MaineDem]

18. The heckling came from the public audience, not DNC members. n/t

[Canuckistanian]

51. Zing! n/t

[Tellurian]

20. No doubt about it...

DU is allowing the Democratic Party to tear itself apart right here on this board.
If we are to have a Democratic President this election cycle, I have no idea how that
will be possible here.

[Zhade]

48. Calling Clinton on her lie about nonexistent opposition to the war is not abuse.

It's preventing her from rewriting history.

Many of us were out there on the streets, against the UPCOMING war, when she was 'trusting' a guy who stole his way into office.

It's not like we're going to forget her SUPPORT for the war.

[skipos]

15. Hillary is disliked by more people on the left and right

than any other Dem candidate right now. I think it will be bad news if she is nominated.

[Trajan]

52. She is disliked by the loudest mouths on both sides ....

She leads all current national polling against all parties ...

She is despised by the loudest fringe elements, but someone, somewhere, is supporting her ....

Why is she polling so high ? .... Are poll respondents lying ? .. (no)

[Alamom]

62. Thank you. n/t

[Skidmore]

63. And you trust polls?

We regularly discuss how skewed polls are on this board. I don't trust anything coming out of the political intelligensia of this nation, particularly those that have picked a horse in the race. I trust myself to be the judge of what I am willing to support and if Hillary doesn't fit on that list, then count me in with loud mouths, I guess.

[ScreamingMeemie]

69. They're only skewed when they don't report what people want them

to. ;)

[ScreamingMeemie]

68. I am not what you would consider a "loudmouth" nor is my husband.

I'm just tired of being represented by people who don't represent what's important to me. :shrug: There is nothing wrong with not liking a candidate and stating one's reasons why.

Thank you

[IndyOp]

16. Keep in mind that the "booers" have Republican help & encouragement...

I don't like Hillary and do NOT want her to run and I've decided to get off the "I Hate Hillary" bandwagon because I know that some of people on that bandwagon are being funded by the GOP.

http://www.stophillarynow.net/

http://www.stophillarypac.com/

[VegasWolf]

42. Anti-war liberals will not support Hillary. Who gives a damn if the pukes don't support

her either. Their support does not affect my distaste of Hillary.

[MaineDem]

17. I disagree with the headline

The hecklers didn't come close to drowning out the supporters.

[Ian David]

19. I'll take any Dem except Biden... even Hillary.

I'm not Hillary's biggest fan, but I'd suck it up and hold my tongue if I thought she could win.

I'm hoping to be able to slap a "Re-elect Nancy Pelosi For President" Sticker on my car.

[MGD]

24. We have met the enemy, he was us, and he has kicked our ass.

eom

[tabasco]

28. Ms. Clinton needs to hear those voices.

Especially the anti-Iraq war crowd. Hillary's biggest mistake was voting for the IWR. Equivalent to giving a madman a gun. Kerry too. BAD judgment and questionable motivation.

[BayCityProgressive]

35. sooooo

if they have bad judgement, questionable motivations, and vote to give a madman a gun....is this someone we want as president? Sounds an awful lot like the corruption we have now doesn't it?

[donco6]

37. That's certainly a question in my mind. n/t

[Patchuli]

38. Hill's reaping what she has sown

with her support of the war until only recently. I don't want her. I don't even see what she has done for New York or for that matter, what she actually accomplished as First Lady. She's DLC all the way even if she didn't support the warmongers. I would be nearly as unhappy with her as I would be with a pug.

[dos pelos]

53. If she will stop the war,that would be enough...

If I have no other choice,and she will stop the war, then yes I'd vote for her.I think there are better choices however.

[Patchuli]

55. I want to draft Al Gore

because no one but Al could get in there and fix this mess made (again) by republicans. I don't honestly see what Hillary will offer to this country. There are infinitely better choices than Clinton.

[Miss Chybil]

40. Ah, our entire Congress consists of nobody more than Hillary Clinton, now?

What a big lady, with such big responsibilities to shoulder all by herself. It must mean she's the ONLY Senator people think has the power to do anything, I guess. :shrug: Maybe, she should be president.

[Zhade]

45. Good for them, and shame on her for lying about her "opposition" to the war!

Happy to give this #5.

[Clarkie1]

49. This woman does not deserve the nomination. nt

[juajen]

56. This woman certainly does deserve the nomination.

I am so tired of this in-fighting. It seems to be all Hillary now, but I remember when it was all Clark. You remember, School of the Americas; a fake democrat, little or no experience, etc., etc., etc.

[IndianaGreen]

58. Hillary can win the nomination of the War Party

Hillary has failed morally for her new found opposition to the war is only based on the way the war was conducted, not on the morality and legality of the war itself.

Hillary should have listened to Pope John Paul II who warned America and Britain that if they did go into Iraq, they would do so without G-d.

[Kablooie]

54. With this kind of idiocy and no one able to stop the war.

I wouldn't be surprised that our next president is Republican again.

[MGD]

57. see post # 24. nt

[OneBlueSky]

60. the fact that Rupert Murdoch is promoting her on the front page of the NY Post . . .

almost every day should give one pause . . . would a Clinton White House continue to use Faux News as its media outlet of choice? . . . stay tuned . . .

[OKNancy]

61. Whatever... this isn't breaking news

This so-called event happened the 2nd. The only people who even said this happened were rawstory and this blog post ( which isn't supposed to be in LBN btw)
Here is an earlier discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=3091455

No one who heard it live said they heard anything.

( I don't support Sen. Clinton. )

[PhilipShore]

64. Kick

:bounce:

[Alamom]

65. GIve me a break, I was there,

they were Kunsich(?) people yelling out about the war
By: JessicaPA on February 04, 2007 at 06:30pm


I'm not a huge Hillary fan, but I'd say the title is entirely misleading. I was lucky enough to attend and noticed that the calls were sporadic, and the crowd was a bit more comfortable haranguing Clinton than the rest, but it by no means was "drowning."
By: brokekid on February 04, 2007 at 06:38pm



One thing we can say, the republicans don't have to worry about or spend money for swiftboating and flaming Hillary Clinton the democrats will do it for them.
No wonder republicans and others say the democrats are in discord. They spend more time flaming, sluring and smearing their own candidates than the republicans do...Keep it up dems...save the republicans money.
By: Kally on February 04, 2007 at 06:45pm


Huffington Post has been out to get Hillary from the start-It's a shame since Arianna, as a woman, should be aware of the gender hurdles Senator Clinton is facing. Most of the negative responses are by folks who seem to be unaware of the lifetime of service by Hillary. From her college days to the Children's Defense Fund work she has shown her commitment to human rights and the middle class. Wish those who criticize would do a bit of research, stop listening exclusively to the media slants- think for yourself with knowledge as your guide.
We are in deep trouble- this is not a popularilty contest- We need, smart, experienced and authentic- Hillary Clinton is the real deal-Please don't believe the negative hype-Listen and learn and then decide-
By: Menemshasunset on February 04, 2007 at 06:55pm




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/02/04/catcalls-drowned-out-hill_n_40410.html

Responses to the Huffington Post paragraph concerning the event.


Contrary to popular opinion (here), every Democrat does not hate Hillary.
She has many, many supporters.

[AtomicKitten]

70. friends of mine that attended

also verified this is a very misleading impression and that, in fact, it was a small contingent of strident folks that were brief and barely noticeable - hardly what is portrayed here, but fodder for wagging tongues nonetheless

[B Calm]

66. She keeps saying we need to end this war by 2009! WTF is wrong with her

[JNelson6563]

72. What a pantload

I saw the day's proceedings and those cheering for Hillary were in no way drowned out. There were a few jeers when the applause was dying down but they were a few stray voices.

Julie

[FreeStateDemocrat]

73. Hillary's ambition and corporate money will destroy the party while buying a nomination to lose

the election in 2008. If you love corporate control of our party vote for Hillary. This is going to be a knock down and drag'em out fight for the control of our party and being opposed to Hillary is no more undemocratic then being opposed to Bush is unpatriotic.

[OnionPatch]

75. And yet, the talking heads say she's our favorite!

:crazy: