I may be tin foiling it too hard, but I just don't like the London story

[pepperbear]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/29/AR2007062900160.html?hpid=topnews

*snip*

Police found the first car -- a pale green Mercedes parked outside the upscale, three-story Tiger Tiger nightclub near Piccadilly Circus -- by accident. An ambulance crew responding to an unrelated call at 1:30 a.m. noticed smoke in the vehicle and alerted authorities.

According to British television reports, a police officer found a cellphone inside the vehicle that was to be the bomb's trigger and turned it off.

*snip*

No one asserted responsibility for the bombs, and police announced no arrests. But a senior government official said the two explosives appeared to be "al-Qaeda-inspired."

*snip*


It's late and I should be in bed. It is probably just my cynical imagination, but something about the wording in the above paragraphs and the timing of this whole thing just doesn't feel right. This is going to do WONDERS for the civil rights and privacy of British citizens. The Government has been pushing for a national ID:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_national_identity_card

Well, anyway, just some musings for an early morning.

:donut:


PS: Certain elements of the film CHILDREN OF MEN seem to be coming true.

[wakeme2008]

1. I agree it just smell

I do not know what about this story turns on my :tinfoilhat: but this story does.

[Forkboy]

2. "al-Qaeda-inspired."

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Philosoraptor]

7. Oh--me get now-- al qaeda-- yes. me understand.

[lligrd]

3. Glad They Stopped It

if it was real but my hat is ringing too and it has proved quite accurate so far. How convenient that they would find both cars before they were detonated even though the 9/11 commission didn't even come up with a plan to stop car bombs since their is no way to find them. I mean, any camper has propane tanks in their car and nobody ever turns them in.

[KittyWampus]

16. You've hit on the PERFECT way to ridicule this. CAMPERS are Al Qaeda inspired WMD

Really, something was 'smoking', there was a cellphone (OH NO!) and cars have gas in them.

Wowee.

[sandnsea]

4. Gordon Brown's first day

I have to say, the timing is quite interesting. If this were a real terrorist attack to send some sort of message to a new administration, well I'd think they'd send somebody besides terrorists-on-training-wheels to do it. Why would some wannabe care about a terrorist attack on Brown's first day. Very peculiar.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. If I may expand on your proposition please.

Gordon Brown's first day also signifies the absence of Tony Blair. The two leaders are not equivalent and/or interchangeable.

* and his Pentagon would still need Britain with them to start something with Iran (which has not been "taken off the table"). Brown right now would not necessarily commit British troops, finance, or support at the U.N.

But have a terror attack and public pressure could force his hand. Or he could be like Blair, act on his own initiative despite contrary to public opinion.

My theory is darker than yours. They found the so-called bombs before anything happened. I can imagine them as supposing to go off in multiple locations, causing death, injury, and panic (not to mention CNN broadcasting "Sir Rudy" from overseas, trying to be the "World's Mayor" and appealing for calm).

[CJCRANE]

6. Cui bono?

The thing about these attacks in London (and 9/11) is that the money trail always leads back to countries which have strong links with the US & UK.

Saddam (back in his day) would never have sponsored an attack on the West because he would expect a swift response and neither would the Iranians today. It seems that these attacks are sponsored within countries that are our "allies". Even if the grunts or footsoldiers of "al-Qaeda" are genuine paid-up brainwashed fundamentalists it's always wise to follow the money and then see who beenefits - and it's the neocon permanent war and police state crowd who benefit the most.

[ellisonz]

8. Tinfoiling too hard.

You don't know, you'll never know, and they don't want anyone to know since it didn't go off. Only an extremely foolish fool would take credit for a failed terror attack. There, I said it.

[lligrd]

10. Oh Good God - Bush Is Going To Do It, Isn't He?

"Only an extremely foolish fool would take credit for a failed terror attack."

[Esra Star]

9. The main problem with any conspiracy theory is that there

would have to be too many people in on the lie.
The chances of all concerned keeping quiet forever
would be nil.

[lligrd]

11. I Don't Recall Anyone Mentioning Forever

How long has it been since the Kennedy assassination? Not forever, has it?

[Esra Star]

13. I don't know. Maybe that's a case in point. nt

[tom_paine]

14. One word to disprove that: Enron

This was an organization which ONLY got caught becuase they went bankrupt, no other reason.

Before that, they colluded feloniously for YEARS, but most specifically and tresonously, to create the Phony Energy Crisis of 2001 that has been the pattern for every odd-year energy theft since.

Remember the Enron traders joking on tape how they were screwing "Grandma and Aunt Millie".

How many dozens had to be in on that? How many HUNDREDS had to know it was going on?

And all kept silent enough to get away with it and, it is extremely important to note here, WERE NOT CAUGHT BECAUSE OF THEIR ENERGY FELONIES, BUT BECAUSE THEIR BANKRUPTCY INVESTIGATION LEAD TO UNCOVERING THE OTHER CRIMES.

Finally the old "too many people would be in on the lie" chestnut relies on a strong and independant free presS to be able to uncover these conspiracies with integrity. Because the other half of that old chestnut, which you conveniently left out was, "because a lie of that size would have to come out in the press."

But we do not have a strong and inedependant Free Press, we have a bunch of cowardly stenographers, with few exceptions.

As we have all learned repeatedly in Bush-Occupied America, the truth can be right out there in the open, iron-clad and evidentiary, but if no one hears about it then it's like it never happened, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the crimes of Loyal Bushies.

Because of that, and for the same reason that old chestnut didn't work in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union (where 3/4s of all "conspiracy theories" were TRUE TRUE TRUE), it can't work here.

I know, it is a comforting old chestnut when it is true, and the joy of a Free People, but how much more disturbing when it is yanked away from us. The Bushies suppressed the deaths of 3,400+ Katrina victims to keep the dath toll low. Because the victims were black and poor, their families scattered and disorganized, and no press gave a shit (oh, CNN reported on it briefly in a "gee whiz, what could this be about" sort of a way for a day, but they have the invetigative skills of a basset hound), such actions were gotten away with and remain so to this day, with the truth and the families out there, right now, able to contradict the official lie.

No, Esra Star, I am afraid your point is invalid in any Tyrannized country, or one which is rapidly transitioning to such.

[JohnyCanuck]

18. Case in point: SIBEL EDMONDS

But we do not have a strong and inedependant Free Press, we have a bunch of cowardly stenographers, with few exceptions.

As we have all learned repeatedly in Bush-Occupied America, the truth can be right out there in the open, iron-clad and evidentiary, but if no one hears about it then it's like it never happened, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the crimes of Loyal Bushies.

The Silence of Henry Waxman
By Mike Mejia

And so it was, that in November, 2006, the American people cried for change and reform, an end to the quagmire in Iraq, as well as to the open and crass corruption of Dennis Hastert, Tom Delay and their fellow Congressional Republicans. The Democrats were swept into power on a wave of disgust at the decadence and decay that had enveloped D.C., taking back both Houses of Congress in one fell swoop. A revolution, it seemed, had begun. The good guys were in charge now.

Thus, one could not blame prominent FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, who served as a Turkish language specialist from 2001-2002, for feeling a surge of optimism after the Democratic sweep. After all, it was the Bush Administration and Republicans in Congress who had done everything in their power to suppress her case, which revealed high-level U.S. Neoconservatives acting as Turkish spies (amongst other illegal activities.) And it was the Democrats that assured Ms. Edmonds behind the scenes from 2002 to 2005 that once they took over, she would have the full, open hearings she had been pushing for. Furthermore, the buzz on the Democratic blogs was that, since Henry Waxman was going to be in charge of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, all the buried scandals of the Bush years would now finally be uncovered. Surely Ms. Edmonds had reasons to feel the tide was turning.

Alas: The bad news is that the sweeping changes the people voted for last November have been severely watered down. The war in Iraq wages on, and Waxman is confining his 'oversight' to very safe scandals that reflect badly only on Republicans. He appears unwilling to take on messy scandals like the Edmonds case, which reflects well on neither Party. Edmonds and a coalition of civil liberties and good government groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), presented Waxman with a petition containing over 15,000 signatures in March asking Waxman to hold hearings. But Waxman has to date refused to give any response.

http://www.justacitizen.com/articles_documents/Mejia-TheSilenceofHenryWaxman.htm

[soothsayer]

15. I disagree.

[KittyWampus]

17. Are you saying like the CIA never does stuff we don't learn about. Even with the new release

they didn't release everything.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. Keith Olbermann was questioning it a bit last night with Larry Johnson. Larry said

that they would have done little damage. Keith thinks the whole thing was being hyped too much. Larry then made the point of how many car bombs go off in Iraq, and no one here makes a big deal of it on the news. Including one blowing up yesterday in Iraq that killed on of our troops.