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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:03 AM
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Something ain't right...Most secretive US admin ever to release CIA history
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 09:05 AM by HereSince1628
I know I'm just an irrelevant, jaded, old boomer, but I'd swear I can smell the hint of something putrid riding in on the high cy-colonic circulation from DC.

I can't bring myself to believe that timing of the coming release of CIA secrets is happening by accident.

Is this an attempt to make the Cheney Administration look good by comparison or what?
An attempt to show that Dick DasTurdly is in the mainstream of American history?
Attacks on JFK, Jimmy Carter and W.J. Clinton? Yes, probably...

But why? A diversion...but from what?












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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:06 AM
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1. Iran???
Dick Das Turdly!!! To funny with a coffee cup in my hand! :rofl:
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:06 AM
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2. The Democrats did it too! WAH!!!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:13 AM
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6. Yes, inevitably,,,
but just what is Bigus Dickus wanting minimized by comparison? They are always pumping themselves up to look bigger and more heroic than Ivanhoe. Now they want a we're just one of the gang sort of comparison?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:38 AM
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18. Not Bigus Dickus
Does he have a wife named Incontinentia?:rofl:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:44 AM
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20. ! LOL
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:09 AM
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3. Remember that whole Valerie Wilson thing? Maybe they have it out for the CIA?
And maybe, they released this stuff to make the CIA look bad?

Oh no, that can't be! :rofl: :sarcasm:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:17 AM
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8. Well, for sure the old Team B has long disliked the CIA
but the CIA history is also in large part the history of Poppy Bush's career.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:22 AM
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10. Of course, they're probably keeping the really bad stuff still secret.
You know, like the extraordinary renditions.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:09 AM
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4. The "but they're just as bad" argument
doesn't hold water anymore with the American people, except for the intellectually dishonest. I hope they release this stuff, and blow America's dark past wide open.

We'll see how this path to Bush/Cheney madness started, and have some context to make a fundamental change. Then future administrations can't explain away Buch/Cheny as an anomaly, but a spiraling pattern that just got put out in the open, and taken to the max under Bush/Cheney.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:10 AM
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5. Perhaps, a chunk of the CIA would not kowtow to Dick on Iran dis-information
so he can get his war on? Somebody displeases Dick and he outs them.

Also, let's keep in mind some of Poppy old jobs and colleagues will be outed too.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:15 AM
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7. There's one Big Thing it'll avoid.


"I don't recall where I was."
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:20 AM
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9. Avoid Poppy or use a threat against Poppy to blackmail W?
It's a lot more in the character of the Cheney administration.

And WTF Bush hasn't seemed to have been that far off the Neocon reservation.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:47 AM
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22. Most of the Family Jewels are known; Poppy's role in Dallas is hidden...
Agree totally regarding Cheney's M.O. and Idiot Son's active servitude, HereSince 1628.

But like Smirko the Crazy Monkey, the Sneer "serves" at the pleasure of the Military-Industrial-Intel Complex.

Here's what the National Security Archives has on the Family Jewels:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB222/index.htm

Perhaps the new docs will shed more light on the roles of a couple of guys, Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles. These two CIA murderers have been connected to downing a Cuban civilian jetliner and the assassination of Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffit in Washington DC.

More likely, the release of the FJ report will touch only on that which has been already been exposed, another limited hang-out to create the impression: "This was then. Now is different."

What's hidden contains the mystery-of-mysteries: The Secret Government and those who, literally, call the shots.



And that's where Bush is left out. And DU comes in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1025540&mesg_id=1033106

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:56 AM
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25. Damage control is an interesting notion,
BTW I thought Cheney considered himself to _be_ the MIC.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:29 AM
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32. definite limited hang-out-and a new chance to smear Kennedys
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 11:31 AM by JennasLiver
the main thing MSM is talking about in relation to this (just heard it on CNN AGAIN)-is that Kissinger(ha!) says RFK planned a hit on Castro. watch RFK;jr dispute that on Hardball



I honestly think some people are getting nervous, after all the murder of JFK really is "The Crown Jewel"

i also think that's the reason for the Bugliosi book-someone has got to have paid him to do that-I don't think he's a stupid man
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:24 AM
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11. Here you go ...
"The documents provide a glimpse of a very different time and a very different agency," Hayden told a conference of historians.


IOW a diversion from current reality; which is very much worse.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:29 AM
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13. Yeah, it sure was different . . .
Back then the CIA plotted against the world. Now they plot against the US Constitution.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:25 AM
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12. See how open we are? Now ignore the CURRENT cover-ups!!
We'll tell you what they did if you don't notice what WE'RE doing!

Used to pull this as a kid--"You can't be mad at me, cuz look what HE did!!!"
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:32 AM
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17. Yes, but just what are "we" doing that needs that degree of cover? n/t
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:45 AM
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21. Maybe the complete details of Abu Graib are going to be trumpeted?
Hey, I can still dream.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:51 AM
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23. That's a thought,
It does follow on the heels of Hersch's article.

Maybe they think the war crime is really outed and they are somehow thinking this will garner citizen support to keep them from being rendered to Europe?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:09 PM
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46. Let us count the ways...and most come from Cheney's office
The "not executive unless you're talking privileges" one...domestic spying, torture, support of regimes that are corrupt but have the saving grace of being friendly to anything the misAdministration asks, cronyism, vote-rigging, court-stacking, taking the "justice" out of the Department thereof...I'm sure there are more, but that is enough for starters.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:29 AM
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14. ... don't assume it's the "REAL" story ...
... history is written by the ruling class, remember?

Chances are Dick and Karen have had a cadre of shredders and document 'recreators' working overtime to revise the real history of the CIA.


As Chuck D. said: Don't believe the hype.


:hippie:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:29 AM
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15. There has been a war going on for years between the Pentagon
and the CIA. The Pentagon wanted control over all intelligence functions, but Harry Truman wanted it under civilian control because he saw the potential for an agency run amok without complete civilian oversight.

He was right, even thought it's happened anyway.

Unfortunately, favoritism between the Pentagon's intelligence departments and the CIA has fluctuated from administration to administration. Stupid and Cheney have favored Pentagon control and have pretty much declared war on the CIA, which failed to back up all the nonsense from the Pentagon's pet Iraqi turncoat, Curveball.

There is now a general in charge of the CIA, something that was never meant to happen. That embarrassing information is being released is no accident.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:39 AM
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19. So you think this is like Cheney's revenge for the quashing of the OSP?
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 09:41 AM by HereSince1628
That's a view of Lord of the D-Ring that I hadn't considered.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:30 AM
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16. You're not an old boomer
You're just an old dog and that hint of something you're smelling is what they're using to throw us of the trail.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 09:53 AM
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24. You are correct. n/t
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:36 AM
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26. yes, putrid! they want everybody pouring over the old crimes


so they won't pour over the neo con's current and forthcoming crimes
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:40 AM
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27. There will be some nasty stuff revealed here and the reason for
the release is summed up in one word.

Diversion
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:59 AM
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28. Yes, I agree but from what are they diverting our attention?
I expect the CIA history is not very pretty, and to say it will be embarrassing is to put it mildly.

What is being diminished in current Cheney admin. activity that is worth this?
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yy4me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:42 PM
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40. Just a motion to draw attention from the illegal activities of
our non-executive pres and vp. We will be horrified by what we hear and the media will cover every revelation like it was the greatest drama ever told. Forget the major irregularities of our government, the war, our dying economy, whatever. Even the non-news like Paris Hilton will be eclipsed by this.

Coverage dawn to dusk of Bay of Pigs, attempted assassination of Castro, Che Guevara, grassy knolls, any strange or questionable business prior to Reagan.

Blame the horrible CIA on the Democrats; continue to divert and distort while while continuing the coup.


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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:02 AM
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29. Poppy Bush headed the CIA for many years, looks bad on them
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:12 AM
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30. So...why expose Poppy to this? Who hates Poppy?
Is this some sort of payback from the Neocons for having their DreamWars episode 3.0 knocked out of production?

I appreciate that the Neocons set themselves up in the Pentagon and from that venue attempted to control all intelligence, war planning and war making. I understand that they met some resistance and that the OSP/AEI/AIPAC manipulation of information was revealled and surpressed to some extent.

But what is useful about revealling the dirty secrets. Surely this isn't about trying to gain back world approval of the US.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:53 AM
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39. I thought it was only a couple of years.....?
Seems like I remember he bounced from job to job.

Still, anything coming to light that reflects badly on the BFEE is OK by me.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:14 AM
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31. I don't know the reason, but I'm glad the light is being let in on the thugs.
And, their masters, whoever they might be.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:31 AM
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33. Diversion.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:31 AM
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34. My best guess would be reigning in the 'white hats' in the CIA.
But, there could be some games being played within the executive, right now.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:35 AM
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35. History is written by the winner. This is their way of putting their spin
on a rewritten history.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:42 AM
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36. So you're saying what we are about to get ain't the truth?
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 11:44 AM by HereSince1628
I can't argue against that, but I guess I'm curious about just what the rewrite is promoting.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:44 AM
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37. Will it include the outing of Plame?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 11:45 AM
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38. Hmmm, can we blame this on Colin Powell?
That snake in the grass surely deserves the wrath of the Cheney administration!

:silly:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:50 PM
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41. Powell was a party to disinformation.
There was just the division on method of toppling the Hussein government and how the oil would be dealt with.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 04:31 PM
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42. You are spot on. I heard some wanker on C-Span interviewing some asshole
Edited on Sat Jun-23-07 05:24 PM by Peace Patriot
history professor who were both just wetting their pants about the idea that Clinton's takeout of the pharmaceutical company in Sudan was a "preemptive strike" just like Junior did on Iraq. C-span radio, yesterday.

I could hardly believe my ears (a common condition today) at the lack of perspective, the lack of scale. The whole show was about how the Democrats did it, too, all the way back to JFK and Northwood--only they DIDN'T SAY that JFK NIXED Northwood (CIA plan to bomb a civilian airline and blame it on Cuba), and they also discussed the Bay of Pigs (CIA/Miami mafia invasion of Cuba) and DIDN'T SAY that JFK NIXED THAT, TOO. I kept waiting for the next sentence ("But, of course, JFK nixed those crazy, murderous schemes..."). It never came. They let it sit out there that these schemes occurred with a Democrat as president, with the implication that because he was president, he approved them. He did not. He stopped them. And probably got a magic bullet in the head because of it.

Now I am the last person to launder CIA or Democratic Party leadership perfidy. It is not a pretty story. And you might say that the worst of it, carnage for carnage, was LBJ's war on Vietnam, which began as a CIA scheme under Eisenhower to create a US puppet government called "South Vietnam" to prevent the real government--the one that would have won UN-sponsored elections hands down (if the US had permitted elections to occur)--the Ho Chi Minh government in Hanoi--from unifying Vietnam. This was another mess that the CIA dumped on JFK, the CIA being an extremely dangerous and powerful secret rightwing club, sitting right at the heart of our government, like a poisonous snake. JFK and RFK both hated the CIA, and tried to curtail them and bring them under civilian control. Just before he died, JFK signed executive orders to begin WITHDRAWAL of US military "advisers" from Vietnam, and I am firmly convinced, if he had lived, would have cut that war plan off before it escalated to the levels of 1964 (a year later) that made the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident so easy to fabricate (LBJ's excuse for full scale war). RFK then took up that legacy in 1968, and was trying to stop that much bigger and horrible war, when he, too, met with a bullet.

But both LBJ and his VP, Humphrey (who won the Democratic Party nomination by default, in 1968, and almost beat Nixon, but was, in reality, no better than Nixon on the war) bought into this whole CIA paradigm of fomenting war, assassinating leaders and destroying democracy or genuine peoples' revolutions in third world countries, in the interest of US multinationals and the US "military-industrial complex." It has rarely been otherwise with our party leadership, with the exceptions of JFK (to some extent) and the transformed RFK in 1968, McGovern in 1972 (candidate), and Jimmy Carter (president for one term--who tried to change CIA culture in South America, and ultimately created the Carter Center, which has done tremendously important work on transparent elections in South America). The Democratic Party has been a very mixed bag. In the face of Reagan's illegal war on Nicaragua, they held hearings and slapped some wrists, but failed to impeach Reagan for it--which they had the numbers in Congress to do, and should have done--and Reagan's collusion in the even worse slaughter in Guatemala occurred entirely under the radar, and continuing operations like the School of the Americas (torture training for South American fascists) and the horrors in El Salvador and other places have all occurred with the silent collusion of the Democratic Party leadership.

Which brings me to Clinton. It is true that Clinton struck an innocent pharmaceutical company in Sudan, either a mistake or conscious punishment of Sudan for harboring Osama bin Laden, or even as some kind of payoff to the US pharmaceutical industry. I have no illusions about Clinton, who furthermore helped soften up Iraq for Bush Jr.'s full scale invasion. But to say that ANYTHING Clinton did is anywhere near the scale of horror and sheer evil, as the actions of the Bush terrorist gang, is a mind-boggling distortion of the kind that Lewis Carroll was mocking in "Through the Looking Glass" ("Alice in Wonderland") and George Orwell fictionalized in "1984." It is "the Big Lie."

From JFK to Clinton, there has been an on-going struggle within the soul of the Democratic Party, between the jobs and other political grease of a highly (since WW II) militarized US economy, and the true good of the people--peace and justice. You can see JFK trying, against this strong tide of entrenched militarization, to bend it toward peaceful goals, in the space program and the moon shots. He saw that as a sort of "beating swords into plowshares." Yes, it derived from the military, and was a semi-military operation, but it was run by a bunch of semi-anarchistic, libertarian engineers, many of whom were science fiction addicts (great dreamers) as children. It had an idealistic, peaceful ambience. (Beat the Soviets with better engineering, with moon walks and space travel, not with nukes.)

And this inner struggle between militarism and peacefulness, within the Democratic Party, has gone up and down over the decades since WW II. Clinton tried to turn the "military-industrial complex" toward "free trade" (global corporate piracy), a very, very mistaken policy, but nevertheless an effort to accomplish PEACEFULLY (and somewhat lawfully) what the CIA used to do for US industry by assassinating leftist leaders and installing military dictatorships. And, while "free trade" violated principles of democracy and fairness--and has resulted in a slow death by impoverishment for millions--it nevertheless left room for democratic, leftist rebellion in many countries, which is exactly what is happening in South America now. There is a substantial difference between financial corruption and throwing leftists out of airplanes, or into mass graves, and torturing and 'disappearing' thousands, which poisons and paralyzes a country's political culture, and takes decades to recover from. Argentina is a good example. "Free trade"/World Bank policies turned Argentina into a basketcase, but the moment they freed themselves from it, with Venezuela's help, boom!, recovery has been swift--a matter of a few years.

Clinton's was an essentially peaceful and lawful presidency (if you stretch the word lawfulness to cover NAFTA et al). (In any case, the FORMS of law have been observed--a not unimportant principle.) The Bush Junta, on the other hand, is the most unlawful, criminal, and destructive regime the world has seen since Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. It is unprecedented in American history. Its assertions of the right to torture, the right to detain prisoners without charge, to writing their own laws, to massively spy on U.S. citizens without a warrant, to veil their budgets in secrecy, to veil everything they do in secrecy, their frontal assault on the Constitution, their massive thievery and war profiteering, and their turning post-Vietnam U.S. war policy on its head, and mounting a full scale war, with absolutely no justification, are NATION-KILLING. They are appalling.

And it is this reality that the C-Span sycophant and the history professor were trying to fuzz over, in asserting that it was actually Clinton who pioneered the Bush Junta's "preemptive strike" policy. A missile strike is one thing. A war in which half a million people are slaughtered, in the initial bombing alone, is quite another.

I have rarely heard anything so twisted, and so clever as to disinformation techniques. And I would guess that it was part of a coordinated effort to downplay Bushite crimes, of which this release of historical CIA papers is another element.

Again, I have no illusions about our party leaders. I think they have actively colluded with Bush, to push the national narrative (that great corporate delusion) toward fascism, so that their "free trade" corruption looks progressive. And I trust them in the Middle East about as much as LBJ and Nixon should have been trusted in Southeast Asia. (Not. At. All.) Further, their betrayal of us on rightwing Bushite electronic voting corporations counting all our votes with "trade secret" code badly needs a reckoning. What shites they have been! Truly. But leaders who have been trapped, bullied or corrupted into bad policy are significantly different from this fascist Bushite cabal that has seized our government, shredded our Constitution and hijacked the U.S. military for a corporate resource war. It may be difficult and stomach-churning to defend the Democrats, but we really must try to do so in the face of a lie like this: That Clinton's one-time missile strike on Sudan is the same as the Iraq War.


------------------------

Just an added note, in answer to an issue raised upthread: What is this new disclosure of old CIA material intended to cover up, smother, fuzz over, deflect?

Some possibilities are:

1) that the torture, rendition, secret prisons and other such outrages have had nothing to do with "keeping us safe" and everything to do with the Bush Cartel eliminating evidence and witnesses to their other crimes (money trail to Al Qaeda? arms dealings?), for business purposes, or offing potential honest leaders of their people in Iran/Afghanistan, and that wholesale arrests and torture of innocents was just cover for these nefarious purposes.

2) the real reason for the Plame/Brewster-Jennings outings (possibly coverup of a scheme to plant WMDs in Iraq, as part 2 of the Niger/Iran nuke forgeries scam, an underbelly of 'Plamegate' that might also have involved the murder of the Brits' WMD expert David Kelly).

3) who the Bushites were spying on (Kerry campaign? Dean campaign? Wellstone? Leahy? Cleland?--and numerous other possibilities, including pervasive spying on Congress critters for blackmail or setup purposes, and a case that I am intrigued by, the former CA Sec of State Kevin Shelley, who sued Diebold just before the 2004 (s)election, and was soon "swift-boated" out of office on entirely bogus corruption charges; the possibilities are endless for abuse of spying and black ops, with this criminal crew.

4) the content of Rove's RNC emails (as to the theft of the 2004 election, and possibly also 'Plamegate').

5) the content of Cheney's "missing" papers for 2003 and beyond (juicy possibilities, with 'Plamegate' maybe the least of them).

6) the flights of the Saudis/bin Ladens out of the country, after 9/11 (recent disclosure of FBI memo that suggests that Osama may have paid for the flights).

7) recent disclosure that Cheney does not consider himself to be part of the Executive Branch (--connected to Patrick Fitzgerald's frequent mention of the VP office's central role in 'Plamegate,' in Libby trial docs?).

8) the real reason for Rumsfeld's removal (given that there has been no change of policy in Iraq)--his OSP was the operational end of 'Plamegate' (attempt to plant the weapons in Iraq, foiled by somebody in the B/J network, possibly David Kelly), and Cheney/Libby were just the political end of that operation?

9) money, an abiding factor in all things Bushite (--just the things that we can see are so corrupt as to be almost unbelievable).

10) role of Blackwater, Titan, CACCI and Halliburton mercenaries in Iraq and other places (creating terrorist incidents, killing inconvenient US agents (Nicholas Berg?), torture, fomenting civil war, BEING Al Qaeda in Iraq, etc.)

11) links between the Bush Junta and the death squads in Colombia.



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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:14 PM
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47. kick for your very interesting post
Thanks
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 01:27 PM
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43. afternoon kick
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:36 PM
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44. It could be that Big Four Part Wa Po Cheney Series..."The Angler"...the CIA Dump is Meant to Cover..
:shrug: CIA dump broke Friday and Sunday this big Cheney Expose which will go on all week has Part I.

Revelations about Bobby Kennedy and Kissinger will take over the news and put Cheney a little on the back burner.

Seems that way to me. They needed something bigger that "Terra" Alert to get this Cheney story off the Cables.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:43 PM
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45. I assumed it was a pre-emptive strike to shore up gw's legacy....
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 02:43 PM by BlooInBloo
... To lower the bar by trying making Kennedy look worse.


EDIT: subject typo.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:27 PM
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48. This may be a pre-emptive disclosure.
Most of this info has been out there for many years. Perhaps the CIA got wind of someone opening up some of the files for public consumption and decided to get ahead of the story. Will the CIA also confirm the heroin and cocaine trafficking that they participated in?
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:34 PM
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49.  I agree , there is something that stinks about this .
They have not gone far enough , it ends in the 70's . so here is just another thing that will be added to the mix of spin and slime with blacked out lines and paragraphs .
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:36 PM
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50. They don't care much for CIA. After all, they outed Plame for political purposses.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:43 PM
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51. perhaps a form of deception? what a novel concept, eh?
this is what could be happening.....


"Limited Hangout"


A "limited hangout" is a form of deception, misdirection, or coverup often associated with intelligence agencies involving a release or "mea culpa" type of confession of only part of a set of previously hidden sensitive information, that establishes credibility for the one releasing the information who by the very act of confession appears to be "coming clean" and acting with integrity; but in actuality by withholding key facts is protecting a deeper crime and those who could be exposed if the whole truth came out.

A limited hangout typically is a response to lower the pressure felt from inquisitive investigators pursuing clues that threaten to expose everything, and the disclosure is often combined with red herrings or propaganda elements that lead to false trails, distractions, or ideological disinformation; thus allowing covert or criminal elements to continue in their improper activities.

Victor Marchetti wrote: "A 'limited hangout' is spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting - sometimes even volunteering - some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further."<1>

In a March 22, 1973 meeting between Richard Nixon, John Dean, John Ehrlichman, John Mitchell, and H.R. Haldeman, Ehrlichman incorporated the term into a new and related one, "modified limited hangout."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
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