Killer dope!

[teach1st]

This article is in a few local Florida newspapers. I'm old and long removed from any such activities, so maybe I missed the research about the killer dope that Miami DEA chief Mark Trouville warns us about (in bold below). Is there evidence or research to back up his claims?

Indoor marijuana grow houses on rise; burdening local police

ALTAMONTE SPRINGS, Fla. -- Marijuana grow houses are becoming so prevalent in Florida that local law enforcement are calling on the state to create an intelligence repository to combat the problem.

And houses in Florida aren't the only homes going green, officials said.

More than 400,000 plants with a potential annual value of $6.4 billion were seized from grow houses in the U.S. last year - up from about 270,000 the year before, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration said. That is less than 10 percent of the marijuana plant seizures in the U.S. but still a growing problem that has law enforcement burdened with overtime and storage issues.

...

Marijuana grown this way is as much as 200 percent more potent that if the drug were grown outdoors, Trouville said. Growers can harvest the drug in three months as opposed to six months in the fields.

"This ain't your grandfather's or your father's marijuana," Trouville said. "This will hurt you. This will addict you. This will kill you."

[iamahaingttta]

1. Oh, bullshit!

"This will hurt you. This will addict you. This will kill you."

This will get you stonededer and make you eat more Oreos.

[acmavm]

21. What will hurt you, and what will kill you is this damn lying

government.

[Ezlivin]

2. Marijuana's LD-50 dosage is so high that it's impossible to achieve

It's just another scare tactic in a long line of scare tactics that have failed. (Failed? Yes. Why else would there be all these "grow houses" popping up if the scare tactics had succeeded?)

Here's some clarification on what LD-50 means and its relationship to marijuana:

• Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.


• This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.


• By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.


• Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.


• At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.


• In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.


• Another common medical way to determine drug safety is called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the difference between a therapeutically effective dose and a dose which is capable of inducing adverse effects.


• A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin has a therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are the recommended dose for adult patients. Twenty times this dose, forty aspirins, may cause a lethal reaction in some patients, and will almost certainly cause gross injury to the digestive system, including extensive internal bleeding.


• The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive drug, may cause very serious biological damage if patients use ten times the recommended (therapeutic) dose.


• There are, of course, prescriptive drugs which have much lower therapeutic ratios. Many of the drugs used to treat patients with cancer, glaucoma and multiple sclerosis are highly toxic. The therapeutic ratio of some of the drugs used in antineoplastic therapies, for example, are regarded as extremely toxic poisons with therapeutic ratios that may fall below 1:1.5. These drugs also have very low LD-50 ratios and can result in toxic, even lethal reactions, while being properly employed.


• By contrast, marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50, is impossible to quantify because it is so high.


• In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death.


• Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.

Source

[hobbit709]

6. There was an incident back in the 70s

Where someone had ingested a balloon full of 100g of hash oil and it broke while in flight on the plane. It made him unconscious for about two days without the need for life support. He then came down and woke up with no discernible effects whatsoever.

[hellbound-liberal]

3. I thought you were talking about this killer dope!

[MuseRider]

9. Ha Ha

You beat me to it. I was really thinking that this was about him.

[lonestarnot]

11. me too! serial killer dope!

[rasputin1952]

12. LOL...I was gonna do the same thing...

[leftchick]

4. it is recycled BS

they said the same thing in the 60s,70s,80s and 90s.

[teach1st]

5. In my wayward youth...

..after I used marijuana and found out they were lying, I decided adults were lying about everything.

[skids]

14. Which is another unaccounted for cost of the War on Drugs...

...credibility.

[leftchick]

18. yes indeed

and in my wayward youth in the 70s I remember smoking some "Tai Stick" (sp?) brand of weed that knocked my socks off for HOURS. I didn't think I would ever come down! I highly doubt anything today is any worse than that "killer dope". :smoke:

[Mnemosyne]

22. But in the 70's there was paraquat.

Paraquat is a weed killer once promoted by the United States for use in Mexico to destroy marijuana plants. Research found that this herbicide was dangerous both to workers who applied it to the plants and to people who smoked the marijuana harvested from them.

http://www.cannabisculture.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=wwwdrugwar&Number=683833


ABC Evening News for Friday, Aug 12, 1983
Headline: Marijuana / Paraquat
Abstract: (Studio) United States reported asking South America to spray marijuana fields with paraquat. Now, government said to begin spraying in US.
REPORTER: Peter Jennings

(Atlanta, Georgia) Scenes of spraying in north Georgia shown. Georgia said cooperating in effort to show Colombia that paraquat spraying is safe. Statistics on marijuana smoking in US given. NORML reported to file suit to stop spraying. Governor Harris reported feeling no responsibility for smokers.
REPORTER: Josh Mankiewicz

Begin Time: 05:40:10 pm
End Time: 05:42:00 pm
TVN Record Number: 85907
Copyright: Abstract and Metadata (c) 1983-2007 Vanderbilt University

http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1983-8/1983-08-12-ABC-7.html


High in America
The True Story Behind NORML and the Politics of Marijuana
Patrick Anderso

By early March of 1978, Peter Meyers was ready to proceed with NORML's lawsuit against the government on the paraquat spraying program. Stroup set Monday, March 13, as the day they would file the suit and hold a conference to explain it.
At that point NORML knew that the U. S. was deeply involved in the Mexican spraying program, and it also knew (by the government's own admission) that contaminated marijuana was being harvested and returned to the U.S. What it could not prove was that the sprayed marijuana harmed people who smoked it. That seemed a reasonable assumption, but there was no proof, because no one had ever studied the question.
Then, the week before NORML'S scheduled news conference, NIDA finally completed its long-awaited study of the effects of smoking paraquat-contaminated marijuana. The study was devastating to all the government's optimistic forecasts. It concluded that a person who smoked even moderate amounts of the sprayed marijuana could suffer permanent lung damage.
A debate raged within the government over who should be the bearer of this bad news. Peter Bourne's office had announced that the study would take place, but the White House did not wish to associate itself with government-supported lung damage. Nor did NIDA, which had carried out the study. Finally, the buck was passed to Joe Califano, the secretary of Health, Education and Welfare, who was already in White House disfavor.

http://www.psychedelic-library.org/highinamerica15.htm


I remember how afraid many were then and am surprised they haven't tried worse to try to poison anyone that smokes. :grr:

Thank the gods for domestic growers!:applause:

Even my 73yo lifetime registered repube mom, who did not vote for * either time, thinks the War on Pot is ridiculous.

[leftchick]

27. Remember this?

The use of pesticides on Mexican marijuana produced an influx of pot from a lot of other places....



Original Hawaiian Maui Wowie Skunk


I sure do! I think?

:think:

[Mnemosyne]

31. lol Mmmm!

Very well! :smoke: Kinda... lol I'm more of a mind that pot is weaker now, of course that could just be me. :)

What a crock to go to jail for a freakin' plant! Especially one that creates such peace and relaxation; with no horrid side effects. Every medication I've ever been given for bi-polar has had nasty side-effects, several nearly took my ass out for good. The only time in my 49 yrs. that I was ever hospitalized for bi-polar was when I quit toking for a year. No relationship though, I'm sure. :sarcasm:

It's been my sanity, literally, at times.


Of course, I don't smoke anymore,







Or any less. :evilgrin:

:hi:

[Atman]

7. This tired old bullshit again?

Every single freakin' year we hear about the new killer dope, and how it's soooooooo much stronger than it was when we were kids (seventies, just for reference on who my "we" are). I wish. I mean, I've sure never seen any. The only thing about today's weed which is ten-times higher than before is the goddam price.

Or so I'm told. :hi:

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[yes2truth]

8. The result of spraying paraquat & other poisons in Lat. Am.

The U.S. Government is directly responsible for the fact that today, more marijuana is grown in the United Snakes than is imported from outside the country.

This phenomenon can be traced to the DEA's poisons on crops in Mexico and throughout Latin America.
No surprise here. It's truly "BLOW back".

[Warpy]

10. He's so full of shit I'll bet he has cotton in his ears

to prevent obvious leaks. It has the secondary effect of deafening him to the truth.

There has never been a single recorded case of injury or death from marijuana overdose. Anybody who tries to toke himself to death will just fall asleep after the second joint.

There was an increase in potency in the mid 70s when different methods of cultivation came in, ensuring the pot got harvested when it was in bloom and contained the maximum amount of resin, before it set seeds. That just meant a single joint would get more people there when supply was tight.

Consider that hashish, a combination of pure resin and pollen, has been around for a very long time and that there is no recorded case of injury or death from that, either.

The scaremongers at the DEA just can't help themselves. They have to lie about marijuana because there is nothing they can truthfully say to keep it illegal, and their careers depend on keeping it illegal. Full of shit local cops with cotton in their ears mindlessly repeat the propaganda.

[Hubert Flottz]

13. Where are all those dead people?

I haven't seen anybody flying out the windows anywhere. Where are all the walking wounded and the reffer junkies?

[mainegreen]

15. The only way MJ will kill you is if giant bails of it fall on you and crush you. n/t

[skids]

16. Someone needs to tell him there are only 100 percents.

Even if it were the worst schwag you could buy, it would have 0.5% THC. Something 200 times more powerful than that wouldn't be marijuana, it would be a pure lump of THC crystal. Which you can get, I imagine, these days.

http://www.slate.com/id/2165198

[MrPrax]

19. Usually called 'Butter'...it's highly concentrated n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. Gee, I thought I'd open this up and find

a photo of Bush.

[Tyler Durden]

20. When I retire, I'll be growing "The White Widow" in my greenhouse.

You're ALL invited to the party. Bring a dish, I'm expecting we will all be very hungry.

[liberalpress]

23. Damn! I thought this was about Dick Cheney!

[monktonman]

24. I'm moving to florida

Thanks for the tip dude
Sounds like this guy really works for the florida tourist industry.
200% more potent? hold on, let me get my bong,
I'm headed for the bus station.

Oh and one more thing......
I'M NOT AFRAID OF YOU COPS!

[Gabi Hayes]

25. phhhhhhhhtttttttt!

[Javaman]

26. I worry about the day when they cross breed pot with Triffids...

those things will be smoking us!!!

[fishnfla]

28. Hells afire, granpa usta get some good shit, mang

"tew by four" we'd call it. Like to someone snuck up behind ya and whack your top-know with a timber

[Blue_In_AK]

29. Oh, please....

[Matariki]

30. Just a way to keep ex-hippies from feeling like hypocrites

when they tell their kids not to smoke pot. "It's worse than it was when I was a kid - it'll kill you"

Yeah. Right.

[conscious evolution]

32. It is stronger

However,instead of smoking several joints, only a few hits are needed to catch a good buzz.
That is with kind bud though.
The downtownbrownfrown swagweed that gets imported from the south is definitely not as good as it was back in the day.