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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:24 AM
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None of Romney's sons has served in military
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 11:27 AM by eagler
This has been posted before but needs to be continuously brought up, because it says alot,
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/05/14/none_of_romneys_sons_has_served_in_military/

BOSTON --While Republican Mitt Romney is hawkish on the presidential campaign trail, none of his five sons has served in the military and one of them says it troubles him.


"I feel guilty not having done it," Josh Romney, the 31-year-old middle son, said amid a profile of his father broadcast Sunday on the CBS News program "60 Minutes."

Matt Romney, at 35 the second eldest son, also told interviewer Mike Wallace, "I hope to be able to make a sacrifice of that caliber at some point in my life."

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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:31 AM
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1. Not too late to join up boys. The army is taking people into their 50s now I think.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:32 AM
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2. and he has what, 23 sons and 17 daughters, right?
or something like that.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:33 AM
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6. Only counts those of "first wife".
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:32 AM
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3. I'm shocked, SHOCKED!!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:32 AM
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4. But they've been on "missions," which, according to Mormons I know, is...
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 11:36 AM by Fridays Child
...considered to be a public service that's equivalent to military service. :eyes:
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:32 AM
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5. But serving as LDS missionaries is the exact same thing
Right?

They have enough passion and love for their church to put their lives on the line in foreign lands to tell others that Joseph Smith uncovered golden tablets at Hill Cumoroah and then translated them with the Urm and the Thummim?

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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:35 AM
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7. Don't Mormons believe in military service? I believe that have to go out
and try to convert others to their religion. They also have to wear those "garments" that they cannot take off so how would that fit with wearing a uniform and serving their country?

Then of course no rich people ever serve and the Romneys are very wealthy. Does anyone know how they gained this wealth?




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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:31 PM
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20. posts that smack of religious bigotry should be beneath us
Members of the LDS church serve in the military. George Wahlen won the Medal of Honor for his heroic efforts at providing medical aid to fallen soldiers at Iwo Jima. Mormons have died, and sadly will continue to die in Iraq.

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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:35 AM
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8. Neither has Chelsea Clinton
I see no need to attack Romney's sons, when Romney himself is a complete flip flopping chickenhawk douchebag.

Would it be better if Romney had disowned his own children if they had refused to serve?

I don't think it says anything other than adults can have differing opinions from their parents. Thank god too otherwise I'd be a callous libertarian like my father. Should we hold my views against my father? That's just not right.
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:41 AM
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10. If this damn war is so important then all who support it should be asked to
actively participate.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:07 PM
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23. Who says they support it?
Do you agree with absolutely everything your parents believe in? If you disagree and they were in public service would you call them out on it?

Most wouldn't because it would be disrespectfull to their parents. Disagree in private I'm sure, but in public most would not comment directly on it.

Plus they're not running for office. I just don't think someone's adult children need to be brought into the discussion.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:40 PM
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35. I believe they are working in and/or supporting
Chickenhawk's campaign, that's enough for me
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:42 AM
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11. Why bring up Chelsea and not the drunken Bush twinnies?
I personally do not believe that women should be asked to serve in the military. Further, I also do not believe in war for lies, war for profit and invasion of sovereign countries. I believe in peace.






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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:44 AM
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12. God Bless Cindy Shehan
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:12 PM
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24. Or Cheney's daughter for that matter
Of course that would invove a stretch of the don't ask don't tell...

I bring up Chelsea because she's the daughter of one of our presidential candidates who might be competeing directly against Romney. I also bring her up because Rush Limbaugh and the right savagely made fun of the poor girl for many different things, particularly when she was a minor and helpless. It was wrong then to pick on the child of a president or presidential candidate and it's wrong now.

I don't care what Romney's kids think, or what Chelsea Clinton thinks. I don't care if any of them have served, or haven't served, and what their reasons are. I don't care whether they support the war, or just say the support the war to support their parents, or vice versa.

I care what their parents think, and do, and say.

Romney is a douchebag flip flopper who would sell his mother down the river for an ounce of power. Who gives a fuck what his 30 year old kids do.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:17 PM
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27. That makes you a poor feminist
n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:50 AM
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15. My guess would be those five boys all enthusiastically support
this war with their flapping lips.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:13 PM
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25. So what if they do
A child's positions should have no bearing on the parent. I have different opinions than my parents, should that be held against them by their friends?
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:12 PM
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32. Anybody who supports the war should be willing to go serve, if they
have no physical impediments. Particularly if they are using that support to bolster their family's political and financial fortunes, as a presidential campaign tends to do.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:15 PM
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17. And why are we letting Malia and Natasha Obama off the hook? Make them serve their country!
"Daddy needs you to go make the world safe for our freedoms, princess. If you don't Elmo will be tortured."
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eagler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:30 PM
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19. The point here is to call out the war hawks(or rather,chicken hawks)
and to tell them to put up or shut up.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:14 PM
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26. LOL
No daddy, not Elmo!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:33 PM
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21. well, there weren't FIVE of her.
But I agree that his sons should not be responsible for holding up his rhetoric. If the 31 year old feels so guilty, he should join up if that's his choice. Otherwise, I don't care how he "feels".
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:17 PM
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28. Yeah we don't care, because it doesn't matter
How his 31 year old feels is about as relevant to the debate as Paris Hilton finding God. It's what Al Gore derides abotu the entire system. People are making a story about half a sentence one of Romney's sons made in an interview that probably lasted hours.

I could care less, and bringing it up on our side with derision makes us look bad, imho.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:25 PM
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29. well said.
I've been bothered lately by my cynicism and flat-out anger at how stupid some people seem, but I've realized it's because I need to learn to filter. And, as you point out, there's a lot to filter, but most people don't realize that.
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:34 PM
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30. I'm not angry at people for it
I think after all the crap that Bushco has done to this country people are bound to find any loose thread and start yanking on it. Hard. We're just fed up.

I just don't want us to waste our energy on meaningless fluff pieces and instead focus on the fact that the Republican Party wants to keep our nation in a state of endless war, destroying the environment, bullying the world, bankrupting the middle class, and more.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:40 PM
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31. well, believe me, I don't want to be angry at people! n/t
O8)
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AndreaCG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:15 PM
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33. A more pertinent point: Neither have Barbara and Jenna Bush
And their damn father LIED US INTO THIS INFERNAL WAR!
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:38 AM
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9. typical repuke......
let's have some military action to enrich my friends and contributors in the arms and oil industry. but i ain't sending my kids into the war....let the poor people and the blacks and hispanics take care of the dirty work. my little white mormon children are too good for that stuff. their childhoods should be spent like other privileged white children...driving new cars around with their friends, playing sports, shopping at the mall. sure, they'll wave the flag for a photo op here or there, but they won't go anywhere near the military.

the fact that 100% of the public hasn't gotten this all figured out by now is astonishing. there are still 28% (mainly freeptards and other white trash) willing to pee all over themselves and support republican fascist policies.

it was a repub himself, dwight eisenhower, that gave warning of what we're seeing now. a president and general, ike had the guts to point this out. i imagine he's a rino to the freeptards.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:46 AM
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13. Guess they all had "other priorities," sort of like Cheney.
About as close as the kids of most wealthy politicians ever get to the military is watching a rerun of "Private Benjamin" on tv.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:49 AM
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14. There's no time like the present. I suggest all 5 sign up RIGHT NOW.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:07 PM
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16. Um Josh, Matt.
Like my old granny used to say. "Talk is cheap"
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:16 PM
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18. Like father, like sons. The daddy never served his country, either.
I guess they didn't push military service at The Cranbrook School (an expensive prep school in high-dollar Bloomfield Hills, MI).

:eyes:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:36 PM
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22. sounds like the bushitler twin morons.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:19 PM
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34. Sounds like allot of politicians kids.
They way it has been and the way it will always be.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:25 PM
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37.  O ... K
:eyes:
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:43 PM
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36. unless his sons are actively working on his campaign
i dont see why it should matter.
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