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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:41 AM
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Message to the Grass Roots
{1} "Of all our studies, history is best qualified to reward our research. And when you see that you’ve got problems, all you have to do is examine the historic method used all over the world by others who have problems similar to yours. Once you see how they got theirs straight, then you know how to get yours straight." -- Malcolm X; 11-10-63; King Solomon Baptist Church, Detroit.

In the past two weeks, I have had phone calls from two democratic groups, asking me for another donation. Since 2000, I had increased my number of democratic groups and individual candidates that I have donated to. That was especially true in 2006. I am not foolish enough to think that my individual contributions is of great significance; rather, I recognize that my contribution is important in the sense that it is part of the grass roots democratic movement.

In the 2006 elections, the American public – especially the grass roots – made a clear statement about the Bush-Cheney military occupation of Iraq. The democrats won majorities in both the House and Senate. Yet since taking power over the institutions that the Constitution tasks with the control of the nation’s purse strings, they have given this administration a huge surge in funds, which allows the president to increase the number of troops and the level of death and destruction in Iraq.

Thus, when asked for further donations, I made it clear that I will not give so much as a penny to any politician , or group that funds politicians, that has betrayed the core values of the progressive grass roots that helped bring that democratic majority to power. I’m still a democrat: I’m a grass roots progressive who believes strongly in the Constitution of the United States of America. I will donate my money and invest my time in the campaigns of those politicians who I believe share those same values.


{2} "I say again, I’m not anti-Democrat …. I’m just questioning their sincerity, and some of the strategy that they’ve been using on our people by promising them promises they don’t intend to keep. …But it is true – you put the Democrats first and the Democrats put you last. Look at the way it is. What alibis do they use, since they control Congress and the Senate? What alibi do they use when you and I ask, ‘Well, when are you going to keep your promise?’ … This is pitiful. But it’s not pitiful for us any longer …. It’s time now for you and me to become more politically mature and realize what the ballot is for; (and) what we’re supposed to get when we cast a ballot …" – Malcolm X; 4-3-64; Cory Methodist Church, Cleveland.

Both of the people that I talked with on the telephone told me that they are having an increasing number of grass roots democrats refusing to give another penny to fund candidates who have voted to provide more money to fund the violent policies of this administration in Iraq. Both were decent and sincere democrats, who I am convinced share the progressive values of the democratic grass roots. But both had a job to do, and they attempted to use the pre-packaged talking points that those who want to avoid telling the truth about the war had prepared for them. But those talking points are meaningless when compared to the actions of those elected officials who funded the increase in violence in Iraq.

When those people spoke of our "shared values" on social issues, I simply brought up LBJ’s progressive social values that were the foundation for his dream of a Great Society. But as LBJ would come to recognize, he could not afford to invest in the madness in Vietnam and in a sane domestic policy at the same time. While I did not care for Bill Clinton as an individual, it must be said that he had economic policies that gave the United States the ability to at least consider addressing our social problems. That opportunity evaporated when the US Supreme Court put George W. Bush in office. We know that from his first month in office, his administration began to focus its efforts on finding a way to occupy Iraq. And while this policy has benefited the very few, it has put this nation in debt to an extent that should be cause for concern for every rational person who cares about this nation’s future.

When the people on the phone talked about how the democrats in Washington were actually positioning themselves to confront the president’s madness in September, I said that I refuse to allow that lie to go by without response. I am retired now, but I used to be part of a team who provided psychiatric "services" relating to the criminal justice system. When there were thugs who engaged in actions that put the community at risk, it would have been wrong for us to have given them more money to buy more weapons, and to pretend that we were actually engaged in a clever plan to confront their violence in the future. No, our responsibility was to confront the thug’s violent behaviors and to help coordinate a systematic response to protect the community. I couldn’t imagine calling people to ask to be rewarded if I had betrayed my duties in the manner that those politicians in Washington are.

The two people I spoke with understood what I was saying. I think that they share the same progressive grass roots values as the people who went to the voting booth in 2006. And, again, both told me that they were hearing much the same thing from a lot of the people they were calling.


{3} "Just as the slavemaster of that day used Tom, the house Negro, to keep the field Negroes in check, the same old slavemaster today has Negroes who are nothing but modern Uncle Toms, twentieth-century Uncle Toms, to keep you and me in check, to keep us passive … It’s like when you go to the dentist, and the man’s going to take your tooth. You’re going to fight him when he starts pulling. So he squirts some stuff in your jaw called novocaine, to make you think they’re not doing anything to you. So you sit there and because you’ve got all of that novocaine in your jaw, you suffer – peacefully. Blood running all down your jaw, and you don’t know what’s happening." – Malcolm X; Message to the Grass Roots; 11-10-63; Detroit.

The democrats in Washington have had control of both the House and Senate for 6 months. In those 6 months, they have spoken against the war, while taking actions that have increased the US military occupation of Iraq.

Polls are indicating that the public is frustrated with the congress. The public isn’t turning against the progressive values of the democratic grass roots. They are upset because the politicians are not keeping the promises they made in 2006. As Malcolm said in Detroit, " they’re playing that old con game. One of them makes believe he’s for you, and he’s got it fixed where the other one is so tight against you, he never has to keep his promise."

Now, isn’t that exactly what our modern Tom, the dental assistant, is telling you and I? That while the elected democrats aren’t being true to their word – much less to the Constitution – that if we don’t fund them, that we are actually supporting that republican who is so tight against us? We see the apologists for the "house" democrats making every excuse possible for not only their failure to take positive steps towards restoring our Constitutional democracy, but attempting to justify their support for the increased violence in Iraq.

"They have a con game going on, a political con game, and you and I are in the middle," Malcolm told us. "It’s time for you and me to wake up and start looking at it like it is, and trying to understand it like it is. And then we can deal with it like it is."

Invest your time and money in those democratic candidates who actually do those things that they say they are going to do. Don’t be fooled by the novocaine-peddlers, no matter if they are telling their lies on a cable news show, or on a progressive internet discussion site. The more we do this, the more we can expect the apologists to try to confuse and distort the issues, and to display the paternalistic attitude that grass roots activists don’t understand the "realities" of Washington, DC. But that’s okay – they are starting to get the message. The progressive grass roots can send a very powerful message by being very selective in which democrats they support.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:51 AM
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1. Thank you, H2O Man! I hope those who are fundraising for the various
Dem organizations are sharing the responses they're getting with the party. There's got to be a way to break through to the Dems that we are not happy campers; withholding contributions seems like the best, most direct route to getting our point across.
And that Malcolm X quote from 4/3/64 could have been written today, sadly. People who don't learn from history...?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:53 AM
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2. I know of
at least one who has been reading DU for the past week.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:54 AM
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3. Fundraiser or politician? nt
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:00 AM
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6. It was
one of the fund-raisers. She was an intelligent, well-informed person who was a delight to speak with.

I have also spoken with a couple people who are in positions closer to politicians in DC who are very aware of the concerns that progressive grass roots democrats -- including many on DU -- have about the failure of the congress to take any meaningful action on Iraq.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:06 AM
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8. That's very good news; they know we'll be watching their
every move, with suspicion. :D
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:41 AM
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18. Yes.
It's interesting to take a step back sometimes, and look at the picture from outside the frame. And we see, even on progressive internet sites, some democrats who take a rather paternalistic stance, and who say that the progressive grass roots is a little minority that would do best by joining with the "majority" as defined by those "house" democrats in DC.

Well, if we are such a tiny minority, why do they invest so much effort in trying to neutralize us, to convince us that the "house" democrats are actually trying to end the US occupation in Iraq by giving Bush more money to increase the violence, and asking for our money?
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:56 PM
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This is where they make the mistake of labeling
I know many Democrats who do not frequent the internet sites and have no idea of labels like 'grassroot' and 'progressive'. To them, and to me, as well, we are just plain ol' Democrats who would like to see our country stable and secure.

Those paternalistic Democrats in Washington are the minority in their thinking. They may have the party leadership today, but that can change. They can and will be replaced one by one as elections are held in districts all across America. If they didn't understand what the sleepy and waking up giant of a majority was voting for in 2006, they will learn in future elections.

Enough is enough! For each moment they, the elected, allow Bush* to sign another signing statement, surge his war, politicize the law of the land, war-monger Iran, remove economic, consumer, social, health, legal protections from ordinary citizens, they, the elected, give credibility to the destruction of what protects all of us. All of us! The recourse we the people have, is to elect someone else in our districts who will represent our interests.

Status quo has got to go.

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:55 AM
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4. re donations
I've been tight with my money lately.

I've never donated to any party but Dem,
but I'm not giving to anyone for anything
right now.

If Gore runs, I'll definitely donate though.

Sue
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:06 AM
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9. As spring
turns to summer, I think more and more Americans from a wide range of backgrounds are hoping that Al Gore will run in 2008. I am among the many people who would invest both time and money in a Gore campaign.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:09 AM
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21. My husband & I had that conversation last night....
If Gore runs, we'll both be donating AND working for him. At this point in time, however, I'm SERIOUSLY thinking that Dennis Kucinich is more in line with the values of this nation than ANY and ALL of the candidates running thus far. And if Gore does NOT enter the race, I'm putting all that money and time into Kucinich, to get his message out, door to door, fliers on utility poles, and the whole 9-yards.

He's the only candidate I can truly believe in to tell the truth at this point. Gore, of course, is the unknown in this equation.

:kick::kick::kick: & R

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:47 AM
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22. I think that
there are other democrats who are telling the truth; I do not think that they are as capable of winning the presidency as Al Gore is. I do think that it would be to everyone's benefit to have him as our candidate.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:29 AM
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26. I totally agree.
As far as integrity, experience, and strength, Al Gore is the best hope for our country right now. I'm hoping beyond hope that he'll decide to run.

:kick:
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:22 PM
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86. He's got to run....
otherwise, I don't know what the hell we're gonna do.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:56 AM
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28. Yep
Ready & waiting
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:59 AM
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5. Invest Locally
H20Man...very well written and a point we can't push enough around here. Your checks and mine may not mean a lot, but in combination with many others out here, we've made an impact and through the netroots we've seen some positive results in our investments. I see even more ahead and that those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to write the checks should do so, but to do so wisely. While there's many, many great candidates out there who could use the money wisely, there are others out there that see your money as a meal ticket.

Right now I am donating strictly to local races...Congress and lower...focusing on the real Grassroots that need to be tended to at this point. I'm looking for the Progressive candidates that will emerge next year to either challenge Repugnicans or stagnant Democrats to push our common goals one step closer. I know that the $50 or $100 can go a longer way...paying for office rental or giving a candidate a real show of support to keep pushing. ActBlue, MyDD and DKos are great places to see some of these races...and the local political blogs are even better. A Democratic majority on many levels is within our reach and we have the power to make it happen.

For those without the money...or have the time...this is a great time to look at the local races...see who the candidates will be next week and find a campaign that could use an extra body. Our "muscle" on the ground in '06 made a difference and it will again in '08...but now is the time to start looking as the primaries aren't that far away.

I am avoiding donating to the national party or any presidential campaign. I'll let the corporates play their games as my primary vote will mean more on the local level than on the national one. The folks in Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada will have more say than I will.

As always, due dilligence is your best friend.

Cheers...

:toast:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:10 AM
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11. Local races
are very, very important. Our enemies have worked to weaken the foundation of our Constitutional democracy. We have to work twice as hard to rebuild that foundation.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:04 AM
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7. Oppps...
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 08:05 AM by KharmaTrain
Either the Comcast or DU hamsters are moving slowly this morning...

Sorry

:spank:
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:07 AM
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10. K & R
Have you picked a candidate at this point? I am growing more and more disenchanted with the field. It may be a result of the exceedingly earliness of the campaigning season or it may be that I will have no one candidate that reflects my concerns this election cycle.

My eagerness for a Gore candidacy grows daily... which may turn out to be foolish in the long run but I am relishing the comfort of thinking there is someone who can fix this mess. Is it at all realistic to think that any of our candidates can be the 'whole' package. Can there be a 'whole' package? Someone who thinks this war is an abomination and willing to act on that belief? Someone who sees our environment and economy on the brink of disaster and willing to say and do something about that?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:19 AM
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13. A candidate ....
I have not picked any one candidate. Instead, I've donated to a number of their campaigns. Though my donations are small, they still result in the campaign workers calling and writing for another donation. And that gives me a chance to speak my mind.

I try to speak in a language that these politicians understand. In my opinion, if a candidate has received a contribution from someone in the past, and asks for another, they will make note of the reason why a former contributor refuses to donate again. If enough people speak in that same language, we may have some meaningful communication.

It may not be possible for any one politician to be a complete package. I think that this current administration has done so much harm to the country and the world, that even an extremely talented administration will only be able to lay the foundation necessary for healing the severe damage Bush & Cheney have done. I think that we are looking at at least a 20 year effort. And I have yet to see any one person more qualified and capable of leading that effort than Al Gore.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:25 AM
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15. I like that strategy...
my donation dollars would work for getting my concerns addressed. And given your communication talents, I can't think of any thinking individual not agreeing with you given enough time.

Drove through your state of New York for the first time last week - was awestruck with its beauty.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:35 AM
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17. This land
that we call New York State brought forth the ideas of democracy from ancient times. It was in NYS that the "Founding Fathers" were introduced to true democratic concepts by the Haudenosaunee.

I remember years ago, when the Dalai Lama traveled through a few miles from where I now sit, and told some people that this was a powerful land.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:52 AM
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20. Certainly rich in history
as well as natural beauty. Enjoyed reading the historical placques at the rest stops. Our prior experience with state outside of NYC were Buffalo and Rochester - nice towns but not as verdant as the rest.

Downside was that it made it that much harder to drive through the flatland of Ohio and Indiana to get back home to Illinois.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:26 PM
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73. I was literally sick this AM,
when I heard the news about the flood in Roscoe!! The first thing I thought of was the ROSCOE DINER !!! Been going there for over 65 yrs. A must stop, whenever we went "up home" for a visit. Turns out it was on the old road to Downsville that we used to call "Cat Hollow". I miss my beautiful Catskill Mountains. I think I may have my ashes scattered there, from the lookout on Bear Spring Mountain, after I die! I feel for the people who lost family there. It was such a strange thing to happen, 8 inches of rain overnight sent what they called a "wall of water". Have you seen the damage to the roads on TV? I think the mother is very upset with us!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:16 AM
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96. Yes.
It is really sad. I know that area fairly well, as I used to work in Delaware County. It's the largest county in the state, and it has had some very real problems with floods since the late 1990s. Walton has been hit a few times, and of course last June was unreal.

My father lived in Roscoe years ago. It's a beautiful area.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:41 PM
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76. There's a really good argument I've heard--
--that this crossfertilization had a major role in kickstarting the Enlightenment. Makes sense to me.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:15 PM
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65. I agree re harm, sort of
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 08:16 PM by Morgana LaFey
Actually, I worry that we will not survive this administration as a nation, whole and intact -- ultimately. I still think it's possible that future historians will look back and identify the Iraq War as the "beginning of the end" of the U.S. I also worry that we will not see them leave office.

I hope I'm wrong.

But I also agree that Gore is the person we need.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:39 PM
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75. Why not back Kucinich for the time being?
Move the agenda forward and all that. My fallback at the moment is Edwards. Gore if he runs, of course. I really, really wish that the current version of Gore had run in 2000. That version would NOT have had Liebermann for a running mate.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 01:42 PM
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108. Kucinich
may well get my vote. I like Kucinich. I like that he has had the guts to say and do what the others won't regarding this admin. I like that he has started the impeachment process in the House. If he is not elected, I do hope that he will have a significant role in the Cabinet... someone mentioned earlier this year that he would be ideal for the proposed Secretary of Peace.

I like Obama and Edwards too. I just am not sure about any of them at this point.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:15 AM
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12. K&R
You see the violence going on in Iraq and think Dems could have done something and it is just insane.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:28 AM
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16. Right.
They could have done something about it. The truth is that the Constitution grants the congress control of the nation's purse strings. Bush came to congress with a request to fund his insane escalation of violence in Iraq, and they gave him every cent he asked for. And then, in a dishonest attempt to justify their actions, they try to confuse the issue by saying they lacked the numbers to over-ride a Bush veto. Well, they need to be told to get that weak excuse out of here: they don't need to over-ride any veto -- they control the purse strings.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:24 PM
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87. I didn't understand why they kept whining about his veto
The bill with timelines was sent, he vetoed it. End of story. Don't send another. Move on to the rest of the People's business. Let the money in the pipeline pay for safely evacuating our troops out of this miserable occupation.
Instead they crept back like whipped curs to lick his hand and gave him more than he asked for.
:shrug:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 01:57 AM
Response to Reply #87
94. They crept back because the have's and the have-more's who ...
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 02:05 AM by Amonester
just want to continue to profit from this illegal and immoral war will stop sending them $$ for their campaigns (and other stuff) and they know it.

Campaigns (and other stuff) cost a lot (and truly regulated public funding is nowhere in sight).

*Sigh*
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:22 AM
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14. Thanks for that.
I too have made the switch from giving to organizations of the party to giving money to individual candidates I trust to uphold democratic principles and the wishes of the rank and file. I'm glad we're being noticed by those that make the calls. It helps to know we aren't operating in a lonely vacuum.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:42 AM
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19. Right.
I've even cut back by over 50% on how many individuals I donate to. I have increased the amount I give, but it is going to a smaller group of progressive democrats.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:58 AM
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23. For me it's not about Iraq directly...
It's about justice. It's about prosecuting criminal behavior no matter what colors it is being sewn under.

I want equitable justice. I want the law of the land enforced. I want an obstructor of justice to receive a harsher penalty than the pot head who gets 10 years for simple possession. I want the powder-coke dealer to get the same sentence as the corner crack dealer.

I want justice. Iraq is an illegal war, therefore it should be stopped, the people who took us there should be prosecuted.

I want justice.

-Hoot
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:11 AM
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24. Well said.
This nation will not heal and the divisions and cynicism will increase if truth and justice are ignored as they are currently. Things don't go away by ignoring them when they concern grave matters.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:41 PM
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34. Bingo!
No money from this house until the table is set with IMPEACHMENT as the main dish!

Indictments for dessert!

A fair fare.

Piles of handcuffs for a centerpiece.




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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #23
37. Those people who
purposely lied this country into the war in Iraq should be held accountable. It's a shame that so many people have fallen for the lie that there is nothing that can be done to hold them accountable for their crimes.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #37
62. Yes, they seem to have mistaken inaction for inability.
Why is that, I wonder rhetorically.

-Hoot
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:25 AM
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25. H2O Man channels Malcom to a new generation.
As an atheist I don't have the proper words for "god bless you for the work you do", but that is what I feel.

And if anyone wonders why they killed Malcom, just read his words.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:28 AM
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31. Thank you.
Malcolm X told the truth.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:33 PM
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90. One of my favorite quotes
“You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it.” Malcolm X

On My Space profile - lots of messages from the kids about it!

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:31 AM
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27. God, What An Excellent Op
So needed to be said. We have given money in the last month but it was to Al Franken. I am going to target new people with my money, those whose ideals and values line up with mine Cleaning out the congress and putting in new people may be part of the answer. I'm fed up with the 'where you gonna go' blackmail we've gotten from the dems. They've benefited by being the only game in town for the likes of us. But no more, at least from me. Enough. I keep hearing and reading, over and over, that they are shocked by the ongoing backlash. Maybe this time they will listen.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:14 PM
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39. How in the heck
can the same politicians who say that standing up to Bush is too hard right now, ask America's youth to go to serve in Iraq? I remember that Martin Luther King Jr used to say that a real leader never asks anyone to do those things that they are unwilling to do themselves.

I remember the closing lines from Martin's most important speech -- "A Time to Break Silence" (aka "Beyond Vietnam") -- delivered in that Riverside Church: "We must move past indecision to action. We must find new ways to speak for peace in Vietnam and justice throughout the developing world -- a world that borders on our doors. If we do not act we shall surely be dragged down the long dark and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality, and strength without sight.

"Now let us begin. Now let us rededicate ourselves to the long and bitter -- but beautiful -- struggle for a new world. This is the calling of the sons of God, and our brothers wait eagerly for our response. Shall we say the odds are too great? Shall we tell them the struggle is too hard? Will our message be that the forces of American life militate against their arrival as full men, and we send our deepest regrets? Or will there be another message, of longing, of hope, of solidarity with their yearnings, of commitment to their cause, whatever the cost? The choice is ours, and though we might prefer it otherwise we must choose in this crucial moment of human history."

It is no coincidence that the "shameful corridors" that Martin spoke of are the exact same halls of cowardice that the apologists in Washington are saying offer us safety and comfort. Their message that this is "a time to keep silent" is in direct opposition to Martin's message.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:40 PM
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54. They Can't
Which is why their inaction was such a shoddy act. The difference now being everyone knows that everyone knows. They now know we know, we know they know we know and they know that too.

No more passes for them.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:05 AM
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29. Amen!!!
Amen!!!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:08 AM
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30. K&R. Excellent news.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 11:40 AM
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32. Really,really good post.
:thumbsup:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:21 PM
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33. the con men haven't realized how disappointed activists will not help them
no matter how "pragmatic" it would seem to them, the paid shills don't realize if we can't put our hearts in it- because the disappointment continues to build- we aren't going to be able to help them out next year.
It takes motivation to bust your ass for these people, and they are not supplying it.
It seems they done the political calculus on having an absentee activist base. But it's a real possibility.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:49 PM
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40. There was a movie
called "The Breakfast Club" (I believe from the 1980s), which featured actress Molly Ringwald as "Claire." And Claire not only believed that her social class was superior to the common folk at school, she was convinced that those common folk shared her very high opinion of her circle of friends. It is not hard to see the democratic leadership in Washington as Claire.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:21 PM
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46. Well everytime a SC nominee or a vote I care about comes up, I feel like Molly did in
Sixteen Candles. Totally forgotten by the powers that be.
My friend says all of life is like High School. I hate thinking she's right.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:33 PM
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53. Excellent analogy H2O Man

and damned if I am not feeling like Allison right now!




Great post. I have sent many democratic fund raising envelopes back with no money and a message..... You Must Be Insane to ask me for money! Get A Clue! Iraq! Iraq! Iraq!

:)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:50 PM
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35. HEAR, HEAR!
:loveya:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 02:25 PM
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42. It seems like
we have been hearing more and more of the apologists telling the progressive grass roots that we should be pleased with the decision to oppose the president's war policy, by giving him more funds to increase the level of the occupation and the violence. Not only do we hear this nonsense from those who are openly identified with specific campaigns and groups, but we are seeing it more and more on progressive internet discussion sites.

It's time that we talk, and they listen (to borrow a phrase from Vine Deloria, Jr.). If they want any money from my wallet, they are going to have to earn it by their actions, not swindle it with more lies.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:58 PM
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57. It's Either That Or
The progressives don't count mantra. Which they know is a big fat lie, cause they get all the research. Last week Media Matter posted an analysis of the research done determining where the country stands as a whole, how it's trending. The news g=regarded the myth of this being a conservative country. In fact the US is trending progressive. Now if Media Matters and I know that, why don't they? And if they know why don't their votes and representation of us reflect that?
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 12:53 PM
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36. Amen!
Hell Yes! :woohoo: :applause:
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:03 PM
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38. "No person is your friend who demands your silence, or denies your right to grow."
Alice Walker

"Power concedes nothing without a demand.
It never did and it never will.
Find out just what any people will quietly
submit to and you have found out
the exact measure of injustice and wrong
which will be imposed upon them,
and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blow,
or with both.
The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

Frederick Douglass

Thanks H2O Man for an excellent observation.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:00 PM
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44. Mr. Douglass
was my kind of democrat.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:53 PM
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41. Applause, applause!!
:patriot:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 02:31 PM
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43. We received 2 calls recently from Ohio Democratic Party
My spouse told both of the callers that we are not donating to the Democratic Party until the Democrats vote to end the war. They need to stop supporting bills to fund the war and to bring our troops home.

My spouse told them to pass his message upwards to our elected officials.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:48 PM
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48. I know for sure
from the two conversations that I had, that the people engaged in the fund-raising efforts are hearing this more and more often.

Because of this, I'm sure they are trying to come up with new ways to try to spin the failure of the congress to do its Constitutional duty. We'll see more and more of the campaign staff on the cable shows, talking tough, to try to distract from their candidates' support of the Bush insanity in Iraq. And we'll read more nonsense from "progressives" on the internet, who feel the need to convince us that moving backwards is making progress. I think that this will result in their getting less money, and the real progressive democrats getting more.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 05:56 PM
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50. They can spin until they are dizzy
I ain't buying it. I want action, or at least truth spoken when action is impossible.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:50 PM
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56. I want politicians
to be able to quote McMurphy from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest": "Well, at least I tried."
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:19 PM
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45. Amen and amen.
Can I get an "amen" from the congregation on this? :patriot:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:25 PM
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47. I've been doing the exact same thing.
I give to Amnesty International, Doctors Without Borders, the Southern Poverty Law Review, the ACLU, Lambda Legal, and other organizations that promote humanitarian rights.

I will not give a penny to the Democratic Party or to any candidate that has voted to support or prolong the illegal war in Iraq.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:28 PM
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68. Those are some
of the same organizations that I donate to.

I think that the grass roots needs to borrow some of the tactics that Martin Luther King, Jr and friends used when boycotting those companies that did not trwat them with respect.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:20 AM
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103. I agree, and I'm not surprised that we donate to the same organizations
:hi: H2O Man
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:56 PM
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49. Kick for QUALITY DU posts.
:kick:
:kick:
:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:00 PM
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59. Thank you.
I think that DU offers a good place to engage in frank discussions about issues that progressive grass roots democrats are confronted with.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:06 PM
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51. Another blunder, IMO
was today's e-mail from the DCCC asking for money, and signed by James Carville. I responded that I will start donating when Democrats start representing me. After signing a letter of support for Libbey, I don't think Carville was a good choice to make the appeal.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:59 PM
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81. yeah, lemmings
i got your lemmings, carville, and it ain't me. the dccc can go hit up their rich buddies.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:14 PM
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52. Like you, my contributions are more numerous than large,
but I have withheld money from all lately, waiting to see where this strange new party is headed.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:25 PM
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72. I like to
be able to tell those who I am no longer able to donate to, where that money is going now. It's not a large amount, but judging from the responses to this thread, it sounds like it must be beginning to add up.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:44 PM
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55. Right on. - n/t
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 06:58 PM
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58. I agree, but not entirely with your final conclusion.
You see, I am a part of the local Democratic Party. I am a Precinct Chair (and we Precinct Chairs are often the only one's to capitalize the title). I attend, participate and vote in County Executive Committee meetings. I work on specific committees. I am part of a regional Democratic club. Thus, I have a voice, and I act upon it.

The county party needs money, though, so we can continue to try to support All candidates, especially those local judges who are "way down ballot." I am proud that I spent the night before the elections, until 4am in the morning, putting up those polling place signs for candidates that otherwise would not have the money or organization to get it done. I am excited and feel a little closer to actually seeing real change at meetings, rallies, forums, fund-raisers, etc., all possible only because there is an Official Democratic Party Organization, specified by State Law, Democratic in its organization, fully accountable to due process. So I contribute to the county party, and encourage those in my precinct to do so also.

The other thing I have learned. Just because I think something is the most important issue, does not mean it is to everyone else. Nor, although we are all active (elected as Precent Chairs) Democrats, do we agree generally. Even about some of the really big issues for the Party and our County.

This is not to excuse any Democrat who continues to support the war. I want it to end right now. I support Kucinich and have given him my money. I also certainly would not contribute directly to any candidate who did support the war. However, to eliminate support for the Party is to penalize the organization, very imperfect, and often democratic, that we can ACTIVELY work through to get things done. To get a progressive majority in the House, not just a Democratic one. To ensure that the Party stays as democratic in its methods as possible. To attack some of the really big other issue, such as public financing, at the local level first, then expand. Etc., etc., etc.

Remember also that Howard Dean has made a difference, and he still needs our financial support. Screw the DCCC, I have no problem with that. However, support the organization that has a good chance of really changing things for the better.

As Thom Hartman say, democracy begins with us, activism begins with us, tag...we are it! We cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater, to use that hackneyed phrase. We can throw out the losers in the party, or at least work harder, clearer, and more effectively than them.

So, I recommend an amendment to you post and your actions:
- Support only the candidates who are true to the values you believe in
- Get active in the local Party and then realize you can contribute to that activity financially
- Do not simply assume that The Democratic Party is not worth any contributions. Be smart and contribute wisely within the Labyrinth of organizations called "Democratic."
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. I am also
involved in local democratic activities. The county organization isn't calling me, asking for donations for congressional races. I think that most DUers know that I advocate getting involved at the local level -- hence the term "grass roots."
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:10 PM
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61. Still that money we do not send to the DNC
is likely to be the money that will help local candidates get elected when the primary is over and we have won that battle but now the candidate must face the Republican. I certainly aw that at for my Congressional District.

I am simply offering an amendment: The national party, the DNC (not the DCCC, etc.), is going to help make it happen in 2008. They do need our help.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:52 PM
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63. You certainly
can decide how you spend your money.

I think that it is best if people boycott any group that gives money to those democrats that betray the progressive grass roots values. Not a penny. Rather, give directly to those who deserve your support. I do not favor attempts to get people to compromise their values, nor would I endorse any plan to finance those who have compromised values.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:51 PM
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78. You are "preaching ,( not just )to the choir"
but the CHOIR MASTER here, in case you didn't know!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:01 PM
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82. Local Dems are well worth supporting
Our legislative district endorsement meeting of a couple of nights ago was an excellent demonstration of how we don't always agree with each other. The chair had the presence of mind to comment "Hey, we're Democrats, remember? If we wanted to do lock-step formation marching, we'd be Republicans."

Lots of us who got active in our local parties in 2003-2004 have found out the big deep-down secret of moving from outsider to insider--volunteer to do some actual work, and follow through on it.

Our state platform is as progressive as anything that local Greens or Socialists put out, and of course our big problem is to get our elected officials to move more in that direction. The best was to make that happen is to fill up the local pipeline with progressive candidates, and all over the country that's starting to happen.

Dean's 50 state strategy is a huge help here, and I'm going to continue to support it.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:32 PM
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89. I usually get involved at the local level.
However, torture flights still exist in my state and the governorship is democratic. Therefore, right now I can't as a member of Amnesty International, give until the governor bans war crimes from my state's soil.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:56 AM
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102. You know, after all these responses, again the real goal is getting the money out of politics
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:24 AM
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104. That is a long-term goal.
Right now, though, the best we can do is to invest our money, time, and efforts in the best way possible. There are going to be honest differences of opinion -- as there should be -- on issues and candidates.

However, we are in a position today where progressive grass roots democrats are being seated in the back of our party's bus. And our values are being asked to stand up, so that republican values can be seated in comfort. It's time that we claim our rightful position on the democratic bus, or else stop paying the fare.

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:07 PM
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64. K&R&R&R
Kick and Recommend and Read and Re-Read.

Where are my socks? Seems they got knocked right off my feet!
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:21 PM
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66. Makes you wonder why
they're not aggressively pursuing paper ballot legislation. Is the fix in? For now I'm still saying Thank Zeus I'm a Democrat.
It looks like I've reached the magic 1000th post.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. 1000 Posts
Very good!
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:35 PM
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69. I've had two from the DCCC call me in the past week.
I told them that I've given before, but they needed to show me something before I would give again. Impeach the dick. Do something dammit.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:54 PM
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70. You speak the truth, and I agree with you n/t

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:27 PM
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74. Thank you. n/t
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:58 PM
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71. DAMN RIGHT! I had pledged money to the DNC and by the time it
arrived, the Dems had already caved into more funding for the war.

I wrote a note saying why I couldn't honor my pledge when the Democrats weren't honoring their committment to represent their constituents.

Looks like I wasn't the only one.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:40 AM
Response to Reply #71
97. If you hired
a contractor to put a new roof on your house, and they simply removed the roof you had, you should feel no obligation to pay them.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:49 PM
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77. More like a well-stated "Message FROM the Grassroots"
Sure hope it gets delivered...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:41 AM
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98. I like that.
"Message FROM the Grassroots."
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:52 PM
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79. K&R. (nt)
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:58 PM
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80. Great post, H2O - all most of them understand is $$ till election day - then
they want to send us out to the public housing projects and poor streets turning out people they never talk to any other time of the year and who've been screwed and ignored for thirty years now by not only Rs but too many Ds. And for all their contempt for progressivs, they know how many people were registered and turned out in '04 and '06 for Democrats by those very same progressives - organizations and individuals.

Another K&R from me.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:49 AM
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99. Reading this made me
think back to '92: I put in a lot of time with co-workers from the mental health clinic, evenings and weekends, doing voter education & registration. We live in a fairly conservative republican county in upstate NY, and I recall how the reaction inside the county office building was distinct to the response in the low-income neighborhoods where we focused our efforts.

It may be that the folks in the seats of power in Washington DC are not thrilled at the idea of progressive grass roots forces bringing a lot more hungry people to the table of democracy.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:06 PM
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83. I do so envy your writing ability!
I have been donating to the DNC (go Howard) but not to other groups for many years now. I prefer to donate to individual candidates and locally. There are many worthwhile local political groups along with Doctors Without Borders, etc.. and I prefer to do business with cooperatives in other countries who have been slammed by our trade policies. I pay more for environmentally-friendly products, and for products from the cooperatives in other countries, but I truly feel these are other areas that are not only important, but I feel better about spending my money in ways that help me as well as helping others. :hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #83
100. I think it
is interesting to consider, from the responses on this thread, how many progressive grass roots democrats think for themselves, and donate according to their personal beliefs and values. That poses a difficulty for those seeking to raise funds for causes and candidates that do not share progressive values.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:14 PM
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110. Problem? Problem solved if the candidates return to the
roots of the Democratic party, i.e., strong supporters of labor, justice, equality, truth. I really try to live by the Golden Rule, and I don't understand why it is so difficult for others to do the same. Last time that I checked Barbara Lee and some others don't seem to find it difficult either. Russ Feingold?, they may not be perfect and nor am I, but I really do try to aspire to treating others the way that I would like to be treated, unlike Dimson** who stated it, but had no intentions of living it.

I'd love to see the day when public financing of campaigns is the norm. I've witnessed at the local level that it takes too much money for people who would love to serve on the school board, the county commission, etc., drop out because they don't want to be beholden to the contributors to their campaigns.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:19 PM
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84. hahaha! guess what? 51% does not equal 100%
So when there are only 51% of Senators who are anti-war, they can't get 100% of what their anti-war supporters want. Get used to it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:19 PM
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85. For a long time, I've been allergic to novocaine.
Allergic to royalty, slavemasters, NAZIs, the self-righteous and all who think they are better than othe rpeople.

Ivan Goncharov pegged the feeling, way back when, in his novel, Oblomov, about the mid-level nobleman/bureaucrat who spends most of his time sleeping. When his ship does comes in, he misses the boat for an unexpected reason. Anyway, from someone with a far deeper understanding of what it all means...



That word is Oblomovism.

Now, when I hear a country squire talking about the rights of man and urging the necessity of developing personality, I know from the first word he utters that he is an Oblomov.

When I hear a government official complaining that the system of administration is too complicated and cumbersome, i know that he is an Oblomov.

-- Nikolai Dobroliubov, "What is Oblomovism?" (1859)



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:02 AM
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101. Just say no
to social novocaine. The enemies of our Constitutional democracy know that it is far easier to control a band of merry fools, than an unhappy individual.


"Though I am accused of something, I cannot recall the slightest offense that might be charged against me." -- Joseph K., in Franz Kafka, The Trial.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:31 PM
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88. thank you....n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:36 PM
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91. Very well said. recommended.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 10:41 PM
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92. K&R
As always, thanks for your fine work here.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 12:50 AM
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93. Yes
Simply, yes.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 03:16 AM
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95. Dealing with it like it is.
And what if we search our souls, and really face it that apologies for voting for a war knowing it was wrong, continuing to fund that war, voting for bills that they know take away our civil rights just adds up to a reality we can no longer stomach?

And what if the huge numbers of Americans who are verbalizing their disgust just happen to come from the Democratic *and* Republican parties, joined by a groundswell of Independents, and when they all come together (*if* they could all come together), they sweep into office someone with real concern for them and their country?

And what if propaganda and fear were put aside long enough for the good citizens of American to say "Enough, we're going to vote for the Right, not for the Convenient"?

What if? What if this took place outside the Democratic Party process, but was truly a manifestation of every good the Democrats have claimed to stand for through time?

Would that be a betrayal of the Democratic Party?

It's late. Maybe I'm just a little feverish from the flu. Maybe...

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:11 AM
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105. I am going to continue to support Dennis Kucinich
I am really getting tired of the "Dennis is unelectable" talking point that continues to be spewed by people on DU.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:16 AM
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106. Good.
I think that it is important for progressive democrats to support Dennis Kucinich. I would include donating money and time to his campaign, and hope people will do things such as write letters-to-the-editor of local newspapers in support of Kucinich. He is taking progressive positions on issues that are of value to me, such as ending the war in Iraq, and holding Dick Cheney accountable for his criminal actions as VP.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:23 AM
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107. Yes -- the war, impeaching Cheney, but also DK's position on trade
Until we get our trade policy under control, the multinational corporations will continue their "Hostile Takeover" of this country.

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 02:07 PM
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109. As long as Dennis (or any candidate) continues to say/do the right things, we need to support them
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 02:14 PM by antigop
It's simple -- if we continue to support them, they have a better chance of getting the m
essage out REGARDLESS OF WHO GETS THE EVENTUAL NOMINATION. <caps for emphasis, not for shouting.>

We need to support candidates that are pushing the important issues -- so those issues stay alive and don't get buried.

Sometimes I wonder if the "Dennis is unelectable" talking point is being thrown about to get DK to shut up, and hopefully, cause him to lose support. As long as Dennis stays in the race and gets support, he can continue to give speeches, people can put them on YouTube, and websites can link to them.

I say this not just for DK, but for any candidate who pushes the important issues. We need to support them -- for one reason -- to keep those issues alive.

<edited for clarity>
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