When will the democrats in congress put General miller under oath?

[Hubert Flottz]

I'd love to hear some answers from him, UNDER OATH, about his part in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. I'd like to hear what General Boykin, Miller's boss, had to say about it too.

[Solly Mack]

1. Probably never

the current line of thinking seems to be to promote the idea that Abu Ghraib is over...the past.. torture no long happening anywhere....and that all the guilty have been held accountable.

Geren, at his nomination hearing for Sec. of the Army(he's "acting" pending a full senate vote), spoke that way...that the guilty were all held accountable

But we'll see...eventually, the issue may become so compelling that government is forced to really investigate it

To my way of thinking...it was compelling from the word go and should have been fully investigated all the way to the top.

[Hubert Flottz]

3. Abu Ghraib is an impeachable high crime.

We the people, must Never let them sweep it under the rug.

EDIT...Abu Ghraib was BushCo politics being played to the hilt! The Bushies were in trouble politically at that time because they hadn't found Saddam or any WMD and the 2004 election was coming up. My guess has been all along, that the orders to Miller to get answers quickly, by any means, came straight from Bush/Cheney/Card/Rove.

[Solly Mack]

4. I'm not letting it go...and you won't let it go

and many other won't let it go

but what about our government? :(

[Hubert Flottz]

5. We need to keep shining a light on this!

Call and write your congress critters! Keep the story front and center on the blogs. Word of mouth. These bastards did this IN OUR NAME. What will we tell the children about Abu Ghraib?

[Solly Mack]

7. I wonder about that very thing

What will (have) Americans tell (told) their children...and what will those children say when they look over the all the information themselves

It won't be pretty. Especially if we don't hold the guilty accountable. Future generations will be asking about us the same questions people still ask about Nazi Germany.

Why? How? Why didn't you stop it? How could you not know?

What will our answers be?

[Hubert Flottz]

9. Major General Antonio M. Taguba has put this back on the front burner

Torture at Abu Ghraib
American soldiers brutalized Iraqis. How far up does the responsibility go?
by Seymour M. Hersh

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/05/10/040510fa_fact

Now is the time to scream and yell at congress to DO SOMETHING about this. Now that the dems have the power to investigate, it needs to be looked at again. Major General Antonio M. Taguba has put this issue BACK ON THE TABLE for the first time, since the democrats in congress have the power to act. It's up to us to see that they do act!

[Solly Mack]

10. Yes - I'm very familiar with that

Pentagon Memo

Did you see where John Rizzo had a confiirmation hearing for CIA counsel?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1144652&mesg_id=1144652

[Hubert Flottz]

12. I wrote Jay Rockefeller yesterday about the John Rizzo confiirmation

We need to put the full court press on congress and see that they do the right things. We need to shine a light on the lazy ones in Washington, who do nothing. Abu Ghraib is the most disgusting thing America has ever been mixed up in, IMHO. It make's me ashamed to have ever worn a military uniform. I never thought Americans would treat unarmed POWs like the Nazis treated them. The SS guards used dogs on defenseless prisoners, but did you ever think Americans would stoop to that?

[Solly Mack]

13. Me too! I've been waiting for replies since I emailed people about the new Hersh article as well

I have yet to get any replies for that yet. Hopefully, I'll get replies to the other.

My goal is to be a thorn in the side of Congress until they do take action.

[KharmaTrain]

6. This Is Future Business...

You are right...this regime has done all it can to promote the concept that Abu Grraib was overblown actions by a few "rogues"...but the Hersh article puts some meat on the future prosecutions...especially once this regime is out of power and it no longer has the ability to intimidate its critics or pardon its enablers.

War crimes have been committed here and someone somewhere is going to demand restitution...be it here or in Iraq...and that this matter will be future matters for the World Court in the Hague. It's foolish to attempt to try going after this regime now as they still have the "bully pulpit", but after January '09 this changes...even if a Repugnican is selected...since surely whomever it is will want to move as far away from the "boooosh legacy" as possible.

Consider this story dormant. There are still the videos that have never been released and other stories within the Gitmo/Abu Ghraib/Rendition story that are still to come...and many of them in the courts.

Cheers...

:hi:

[Solly Mack]

8. I'm hoping the Hersh article does just that!

Pentagon Memo

[KharmaTrain]

11. Well It's Back For Now...

And so will be a cast of the prime characters all ready to do some heavy-duty payback on Rumsfeld for his railroading of their careers. Taguba, Karpinski...I could even see Liddy (i think that's her first name) England called to testify in front of a House or Senate committee...painted as a sympathetic figure...and the price she's paid for "following orders".

I suspect the Hersch article came out due to some upcoming hearings or investigation that will dig into what happened here. The ghosts of Abu Grhaib will hang over this country like My Lai...and will be looked upon as a major reason we lost this invasion.

Cheers...

[Hubert Flottz]

2. General Is Said To Have Urged Use of Dogs

A U.S. Army general dispatched by senior Pentagon officials to bolster the collection of intelligence from prisoners in Iraq last fall inspired and promoted the use of guard dogs there to frighten the Iraqis, according to sworn testimony by the top U.S. intelligence officer at the Abu Ghraib prison.

According to the officer, Col. Thomas Pappas, the idea came from Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, who at the time commanded the U.S. military detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and was implemented under a policy approved by Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the top U.S. military official in Iraq.

"It was a technique I had personally discussed with General Miller, when he was here" visiting the prison, testified Pappas, head of the 205th Military Intelligence Brigade and the officer placed in charge of the cellblocks at Abu Ghraib prison where abuses occurred in the wake of Miller's visit to Baghdad between Aug. 30 and Sept. 9, 2003.

"He said that they used military working dogs at Gitmo , and that they were effective in setting the atmosphere for which, you know, you could get information" from the prisoners, Pappas told the Army investigator, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, according to a transcript provided to The Washington Post. MORE...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55703-2004May25.html

Maybe Congress needs to bring in the dogs to get some answers about Abu Ghraib?

[Hubert Flottz]

14. Then

Now



NOT IN MY NAME!