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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 02:46 PM Original message |
If impeachment is supposedly supported by a majority of the Democratic base |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. Lakoff maintains that you win when you play to your base. |
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tcfrogs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Are there polls that show a majority of Democrats favor impeachment? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. you may well be right |
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tcfrogs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I'm not saying don't impeach - please don't infer that |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. you're right |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm not going to argue this, bigtree. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. The VRWC did their job. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. That would be one outcome, no doubt. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. if we resorted to impeachment to move Bush |
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GOTV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I don't find it so strange.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Thing is, during the Watergate hearings, our government didn't grind |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. What it is is that the Dems are afraid of being called names.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I think we're pretty much screwed unless we switch to |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. but what evidence do you have that 'Dems are afraid of being called names' |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. How about a direct quote: |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. that quote demonstrates concern about more than mere 'name-calling' |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You are proving my point with your response |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. We want the effort to succeed, not just go through the motions, right? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. The "motions" are very important. Going through them proves |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. then we should respect the 'motions' short of impeachment as well |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I could agree with that if we were holding anyone accountable.. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Just as we shouldn't charge a murderer with murder |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. No. Congress wouldn't have to assume primary responsibility for a murder charge |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. And not just to ourselves but to the rest of our fellow humans. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. OK we are coming closer to an agreement here, |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. is gridlock and distraction the public's only concern? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. I think that's an excellent question. |
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DeeDeeNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. You hit the nail on the head |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Some of the issues surrounding that impeachment still apply |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. the Watergate hearings |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. right. people seem to forget about the Select Senate Committee |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
16. Democrats tend to see swing voters and not the base as their reelection constituency |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. they oppose impeachment to appeal to swing voters? |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. They're afraid of pissing of their "moderate" colleagues |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. The speaker has asked them not to raise the question of impeachment |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
20. First, impeachment is about right and wrong, the constitution |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I really don't believe these legislators are against defending the constitution |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. You don't call being impeached "real jeopardy"? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. not if a conviction is clearly going to be blocked by the republicans in the end |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. So then we shouldn't impeach because the system is so |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. it's not 'cowardice' unless the efforts outside of an impeachment are abandoned |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. But will all respect, you are defining impeachment as a political |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. only an effort which doesn't have the gravity to sway republicans necessary for conviction |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. The charge of partisanship has to be countered by |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. The only people screaming about partisanship |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. I don't think an impeachment is an effective substitute for the legislative process |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Impeachment is not a substitute for legislative process |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. no, but it is being presented by many proponents as a way to move issues |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Personally, I want our constitution back up and working. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. If an official that has committed a criminal offense is impeached, |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Well, I don't think we should give up on the other efforts underway |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
46. Ahh bigtree, moving the goal posts again |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. I think that the efforts of Congress should be centered on what they believe will be most effective |
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A wise Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
53. In all honesty as an American |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. good luck with that |
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A wise Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-20-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Don't get me wrong |
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