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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:11 PM
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If they keep running the other way....
We might not be able to keep up with their rightward moves. If our Democrats keep reaching out to Bush's base and ignoring us, it is going to hurt us very much next year. They can not keep acting like that and expect to win. Not anymore.

Today I read this:

Democrats Shy Away From Emergency Contraception

"On Wednesday, May 16, advocates were optimistic that legislation requiring emergency contraception to be stocked on all military bases would pass in the House. “We had the votes on Wednesday night. Things were looking good,” says Monica Castellanos, press secretary for Rep. Michael Michaud (D-Maine), one of the lead co-sponsors of the amendment that was scheduled for a vote the next day. But then, something mysterious happened.

For reasons that remain unclear, Michaud withdrew the legislation the
next morning. According to Castellanos, it was purely a logistical snafu: “Key supporters had to be in their districts.” But sources close to the issue tell a different story: The legislation, an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, with bipartisan support, was dropped by a Democratic leadership unwilling to go to bat for pro-choice issues. Despite Michaud’s confidence that the votes were there, Democratic leadership wasn’t so sure, and they didn’t want to hang around long enough to find out. The legislation might not have sunk, but they jumped ship anyway."


So, that makes us different from the right wing..how?

But there's more.

Democrats Increase Funding for Discredited Abstinence-Only Policy

"The Democratic leadership of the House Appropriations Labor, Health and Human Service, and Education (LHHS) Sub-Committee set science and commonsense aside by increasing the funding for discredited abstinence-only-until-marriage programs. Despite a congressionally mandated report that found these programs do not work to help teens delay sexual initiation, House leadership allocated $141 million (an increase of $27.8 million) to continue feeding America's young people misinformation.

"Let's face it, with friends like these, who needs conservative Republicans?" said James Wagoner, President of Advocates for Youth. "By continuing to fund these ineffective programs, the House Democratic leadership has signaled that the health and well-being of America's teens are not their priority. Young people and their parents should be outraged"


I am not surprised to see this. A Florida Democrat who ran for Attorney General last year had an ad run against him for being too much against women's rights....the ad was by a Republican against a Democrat. The ad can be seen here at You Tube

More:

It was a Democrat who first sponsored the Scarlet Letter law in Florida.

"The law became known for its most controversial element, which required women who wanted to put a child up for adoption to run detailed listings in newspapers with their names and descriptions and the names of potential fathers. It attracted national media attention and the Scarlet Letter moniker.

That part of the bill was eventually ruled unconstitutional and repealed in 2003. Campbell initially defended the provision."


And to make it worse, I believe all our major candidates are now saying we are going to have to leave a contingent in Iraq.....Harry Reid and Hillary have said it is to protect our interests. I can just see that working out so very well, can't you?

SO..we are going to stay in Iraq. That won't change even if a Democrat wins.

The free trade will continue, as they are already doing secret deals behind closed doors. And remember the famous words of Charlie Rangel about that trade deal?

Rangel..."bam, seal it and catch hell" ...about the trade deal

"RANGEL BRAGS THAT DEALMAKERS PRIORITIZED GOP AND K STREET CONCERNS OVER DEM CAUCUS: CongressDaily reports that Rangel bragged to reporters that the reason dealmakers kept negotiations secret - and perhaps the reason why the legislative language remains secret - is because they feared rank-and-file Democrats would oppose the concessions that were needed to appease the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Business Roundtable, GOP Sen. Charles Grassley (IA), GOP Rep. Jim McCrery (LA) and Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-MT), who last year traveled to India to trumpet job outsourcing.

"Every time we had them all together, someone jumped off," Rangel told reporters after the meeting, referring to that group. "So we said, we can't wait for the Caucus. When we got everybody holding hands, bam! Seal it and catch hell. We did both." The fact that Rangel now admits the Chamber of Commerce was so intimately involved in the negotiations may explain why the Chamber continues to say it has received "assurances" that the much-touted labor provisions in the deal will be rendered unenforceable."


It really is coming down to privately done deals and the ignoring of the activists.

And to top off my week, the Florida state Democrats are thumbing their noses at the national party and laughing it up. They have dissed Howard Dean publicly while he has been urging all of us to stay and work for the good of the party.

They had the nerve to ask James Carville to be the keynote speaker at the JJ dinner last week-end, and it had to have been done with full knowledge of his recent and not so recent stunts.

Our state chair sent out a pump us up letter about the primary.

The post shows how Carville previous actions had asked for Dean to be fired, how he had called Scooter Libby an honorable man by signing a letter that he be pardoned. Then at the dinner, he said either Hillary or Obama would win. That was a slap in the face to Kucinich who was present, and John Edwards who was not. How dare he presume like that?

I guess you might say I am on outrage overload.

The Democrats appear to be appealing to the 28% to 30% who are Bush's base, and leaving us behind. I think we must express our dissatisfaction with this.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:17 PM
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1. "So, that makes us different from the right wing..how? "
ZERO difference for all and more of the reasons you posted. I think Howard Dean would do well to advocate for a third party. I am not sure the Democratic liberal base has ANY voice left thanks to the DLC/DCCC/AIPAC dollars and power.

:(
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:21 PM
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4. I always said any third party would be centrist.
Events are showing me to be right.

Bloomberg going Indy after being courted by Arnold and the DLC leaders...tells me something.

Time will tell which way things go, I guess, overall.

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:32 PM
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5. seriously?
The DLC was involved n the Bloomberg switch? Now that is very telling. We have the corporatist DLC with their hands in every fucking party now! Isn't that special? Now I know we live in a corporatist/dictatorship. For the foreseeable future too.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:41 PM
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7. I do know that Harold Ford spoke at the Bloomberg conference...
that he had been at another event with Bloomberg. We know that Al From met with him last year also...supposed about a run in 08.

There are many different kinds of centrism. There is nothing wrong with being centrist, as referring to being in the middle.

The kind of centrism that worries me a lot is the one that is associated with the DLC and the moves to take us to war, their insistence on free trade continuing....though they do now mention restrictions...but if you do deals in secret it makes one suspicious.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:45 PM
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16. Here's the page with pictures from the Bloomberg conference now.
Nothing wrong with reaching across the aisle, but no one is reaching out to the activists. It is the moderate Republicans reaching out to the centrist conservative Democrats. Some good people there, but no outreach to us.



http://www.bridgingthepoliticaldivide.org/

Arnie, Antonio Villaraigosa from CA

Speakers:

Wallis Annenberg, The Annenberg Foundation
Lauren Bon, Annenberg Foundation
Margaret Carlson, Columnist, Bloomberg News; Washington Editor, The Week magazine
Jay Carney, Time
Geoffrey Cowan, Dean, USC Annenberg School for Communication and director, Center on Communication Leadership
Gray Davis, former Governor of California
Matthew Dowd, brand strategist and former advisor to President George W. Bush
Harold Ford, Jr., DLC chairman and former Congressman
Charles E. Jones, former Arizona Supreme Court Justice
Michael Kinsley, columnist
Sherry Lansing, Sherry Lansing Foundation
Richard Lovett, president, CAA
Janet Napolitano, Governor of Arizona
Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC
John Podesta, Center for American Progress
Richard J. Riordan, Of Counsel, Bingham McCutchen; Former Los Angeles mayor
Kathleen Sebelius, Governor of Kansas
Kevin Wall, Live Earth
Juan Williams, NPR and Fox News
Judy Woodruff, PBS’s NewsHour
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 02:35 PM
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31. Looks like "bridging the divide" between Repugs and Repug Lite...
from that line up. I'll give a little + to John Posdesta from CAP...but the rest are what's holding reform back.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:18 PM
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2. You can't trust people who say
they are doing things merely to "reach out" to Bush's base in order to get votes. If they are willing to do that, what else would they be willing to do? I'll stick with Dennis Kucinich, a true progressive who has walked his talk.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:42 PM
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8. Why can't they reach out to their OWN base?
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 08:42 PM by Jim Sagle
We're out here.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:19 PM
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12. and we haven't been reached out to for years and years and years
hell, that was a problem BEFORE Bush got in office.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 01:38 AM
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22. Becuae the dlc wants to throw out the base and create their own
The rePublicans created their own base, it took 20 years or so, but they indeed own and control their voting base. This is what the dlc wants to do with the Democratic Party. Sick, eh?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:19 PM
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3. It just doesn't end. nt
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:37 PM
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6. We need a grass roots SWELL, both democrats and republicans working together for TERM LIMITS!
If we TRY not to focus on our differences, we have one MAJOR issue in common with those folks who call themselves Republicans: That issue is the IMMINENT need for *term limits.*

What ever way we can find consensus to define "term limits" is fine but they MUST BE implemented to stop the corporate cronyism. If these DO NOTHINGS on both sides of the aisles were NOT constantly campaigning for the next election we just might get some business done. :grr:

Perhaps we can take that issue up at Vote Out Incumbents for Democracy? http://voidnow.org :shrug:
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:21 PM
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13. That's a solution to the wrong problem
Besides we already have term limits: They're called elections.

Corporate money is what needs to be stopped. Federal funding of elections, shorter campaign periods, etc.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:16 PM
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28. Right, money talks....money is power.
That's the problem.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:23 PM
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9. Rah rah rah Go Dems! Yeah Team!
Oh wait, sorry, wrong thread. I have to throw up now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:51 PM
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10. I am concerned because of some of the "ideas" at the DLC's Idea Primary
It is the brainchild of Harold Ford who said they would be the policy shop of the Democratic nominee.

Here is one of the articles this week.

The Democrats' Democracy Problem
http://www.ideasprimary.com/?p=136

Democrats today have a problem with democracy. We have lost our voice on the issue of promoting democracy abroad — which means that what was once a core Democratic foreign policy idea is being ceded to the GOP.

In 1995, democracy promotion was one of the three central pillars of President Bill Clinton’s first National Security Strategy. Rereading the document today, with its call for “a more secure world where democracy and free markets know no borders,” I’m struck by how the idea of expanding democracy’s reach permeated official Democratic thinking a decade ago.


No more. Today, it’s hard to say where the Democratic Party stands on the issue of promoting democracy. …

It is time to stop blaming Bush for our inability to articulate a true alternative strategy for expanding democracy and human rights. Democracy promotion was a key issue long before Bush emerged on the national stage, and it will remain one long after he has retired to his Crawford ranch. Nothing is stopping us from coming up with our own updated vision of a principled, tough-minded liberal internationalism except our own confusion, cynicism and timidity.


The author is saying that Bush has stolen our idea of spreading Democracy, and we need to take it back.

Here is another that concerns me.

Rally Liberal Base Now...Lose Election Later?
http://www.ideasprimary.com/?p=140

As the Democratic presidential candidates gather in Washington to make their pitch to party activists this week, “liberal” is suddenly no longer a dirty word. … But some observers say that the candidates’ zeal to appeal to the party’s liberal base could cost them in the general election with the independent-minded voters they’ll need to win.


That is their interpretation of an ABC article. The headline is the DLC's.

Keep track of the Ideas there.

One is called Fleeing the Center.

Same theme as 2003...flee from the anti-war fringe.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/62


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:23 AM
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26. Somebody needs to point out to Harold that we've never spread
democracy anywhere. But I agree about the DLC's confusion, cynicism and timidity.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:20 PM
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33. I doubt Harold will listen.
Or any of the others in that group.

You should read the whole article that is linked to the Democrats Democracy Problem.

It is pushing the idea very hard.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:22 PM
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11. A lot of this sentiment going around...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:13 AM
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23. Thanks for sharing your post.
Looks like that next trade deal you mentioned is going to be done without our really knowing. I mean look what Rangel said. :think:
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:17 AM
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24. Yeah--no need to trouble the peasants with this stuff.
It'll only upset them.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 01:12 PM
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34. And the peasants are only peasants after all.
And we really don't understand all that stuff. Like our own Democrats helping pump up for war agaist Iran as well...

:shrug:
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:26 PM
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14. Excellent work
tho depressing as hell.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:38 PM
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15. ain't it depressing though....
:-(
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:50 PM
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17. I'm getting more disgusted by the day.
I thought that I'd found paradise when I moved to Florida 5 years ago. My wife and I are applying for our passports next week, and if we can sell the house, we're outta here.

I've spent the last 5 years beating my head into a wall, trying to elect progressive democrats, who want to preserve democracy. And what do we get?

I'm working on my FINAL campaign. It will be over in another week, and to be honest, I really don't give a fuck how it turns out anymore. Sell the house, leave the country. I'm gone.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:58 PM
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18. I get discouraged, but that's what they want us to do..
So I guess I will stick around and do what we started out to do when DFA was formed. Change from the bottom up while Dean helps to bring change from the top.

I get angry, but people like Carville want us to back off and let them have it. I won't do that.

I am going to call the state party soon and ask why Carville?

I talked with Karen a long time once on the phone. I found out she believes in some primaries but not divisive ones. There was more, but I am not ready to discuss it yet.

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:10 AM
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19. For a change, the FDP is giving us a lot of help on this campaign.
But, still, I've had enough.

We can't get any help in Washington. The "leadership" is scared of it's own shadow. They're paying more attention to the republican base than ours.

We're not asking for too much. Just stable jobs, livable wages, healthcare, and peace. I'll spend my remaining years watching from Costa Rica, Panama or Belize.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:42 AM
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21. You can thank the political directors for that, at least partially.
I know Nate Jenkins is quite friendly to activists...but his work is cut out for him. I have a pic somewhere of Dean and him, I beleve he was a supporter....can't find it. I need to get the paid version of Power Desk.
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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 01:57 PM
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30. I understand, don't blame you at all....
and wish you the best wherever you land. Wish I could join you, and will be working on my plan to do so in the next few years.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:29 AM
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20. People who actually get out to vote
Edited on Wed Jun-20-07 12:31 AM by G_j
tend to pay attention, don't appreciate being taken for granted. It is very likely there will be a price to pay. I hope so.

ahem..
Don't we need more choices than we are getting in the two party "duopoly"? cough.. Of course we do
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:20 AM
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25. If they approve more war funding I will probably vote Green or
Socialist in the next election. I'm not voting for people that are barely discernible from Republican's.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:43 AM
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27. The sad thing is most will express their dissatisfaction with their feet,
by not showing up, once again, on election day.

I try to stay hopeful... but it's a losing battle lately.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 12:52 PM
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29. Not surprised...saw Charley Rangle on CNBC with Larry Kudlow
before the vote...and I knew...he was not with the Progressives. It was very disturbing. I figured at Rangel's age he had nothing to lose by standing up. But then they get that way when they've been in the Senate so long. I don't think many of them give a damn about much anymore.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 02:43 PM
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32. Too long in DC
I agree. There are many that way.
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