Tom Hanks is... "The Man"

[reprehensor]

No, not like, "Dude, you are The Man!"

More like, "Dude! Never tell The Man where you stash your weed!"

Hanks, as a partner in Playtone, will reportedly ink a deal to produce a mini-series "debunking" JFK conspiracy theories. Apparently such subversive acts as questioning Arlen Specter's single bullet theory, are beyond the pale these days, and must be smothered in the crib, lest people start asking about Lee Harvey Oswald's multiple ties to the US intelligence community.

The problem is that the mini-series is going to be based on a book that has already been read by many authors in the JFK research community, and they are compiling a body of evidence that makes one thing clear; if anything needs debunking, it's the book that HBO and Playtone are using as their keystone, Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Led by writer and JFK expert, Rex Bradford, a new website has been started gathering criticism of Bugliosi's book, at Reclaiming History.org.

The famed prosecutor of Charles Manson, Vincent Bugliosi, has written a book entitled Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, whose introduction states that it is intended to a "comprehensive and fair evaluation of the entire case, including all of the major conspiracy theories." Even at 1600+ pages plus 950+ more on a CD-ROM, the book is hardly comprehensive, mainly due to incessant repetition that "conspiracy theorists" are "kooky as a three-dollar bill". And fair?

As a prosecutor in the Los Angeles District Attorney's office, Vincent Bugliosi won 105 out of 106 cases, and 21 of 21 murder trials. This establishes beyond doubt that Bugliosi is a great prosecutor. Since not all persons brought before the court of justice are guilty, it might also lead a reasonable person to conclude that Bugliosi can win an argument even when he is wrong. In the JFK case, he is very wrong.

Like Gerald Posner's Case Closed before it, Bugliosi's book is a prosecutor's brief. He cherry-picks the evidence, ignores the most compelling counter-evidence, and sets up straw-man arguments to knock down. This website is devoted to presenting differing viewpoints on Bugliosi's book and the arguments he makes, in the pursuit of a truly fair evaluation of the case.

Judge for yourself.

Tom Hanks, by taking up this crusade, you put yourself in the unenviable position of being on the wrong side of history. On the wrong side of the truth. You separate yourself from the hoi polloi that views the work of authors like Bugliosi and Posner as ugly, establishment, buzz-killing, bullshit.

Enjoy.

[bryant69]

1. What a nice way to frame this

So you are on Tom Hanks side (along with sanity) or you are on the side of people who have to hide their drugs from the Man.

Either a Hippy or a Narc

Are we ever going to leave the 1960s?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Javaman]

3. Narc. nt

[bryant69]

4. Damn Straight. n/t.

[Javaman]

15. Narc. nt

[bryant69]

16. Darn Tootin' n/t

[Javaman]

28. Narc. nt

[bryant69]

30. Mais Oui, Monsieur n/t

[Javaman]

35. Narc. nt

[bryant69]

36. That's right, Daddy-O n/t

[Javaman]

37. Narc nt

[bryant69]

38. Da, Comrade! n/t.

[Javaman]

39. Narc. nt

[bryant69]

40. Sorry - ran out. n/t

[Javaman]

52. Narc. nt

[hang a left]

5. Well now my dope is all prescription.

So the theory is sane in your eyes??

[Warren DeMontague]

29. It's "sanity" to buy the cheap, obvious whitewash that is the Warren Commission version of things?

How high does one have to be to buy into THAT?

Oh. And what about Oswald's ties to the intelligence community? What about that weirdness with him in Mexico? Think any of this "lone nut gunman" rehash is going to touch on that?

Hmmmm?

[bryant69]

32. Gosh you're right.

Why a person would have to be insane not to believe Kennedy was rubbed out by person or persons unknown?

Bryant

[Warren DeMontague]

33. Is that a question, or a statement?

Forget it. I don't care.

You don't want to "wade into the conspiracy theories", you don't want to touch on any of the actual FACTS surrounding the case, but you feel comfortable enough saying that the "side of sanity" is the side that accepts the Warren Commission version of things at face value.

That tells me all I need to know, thanks.

[bryant69]

34. You need to look at it in the context of the argumenet

You guys are calling Hanks a sell out and so on for presenting a differing opinion on the Kennedy Assassination; I am mostly saying there's room for honest and honorable people on both sides of this debate. I largely agree with the Warren Report (not in all particulars, though).

But you can't start with "people on your side of the fence are sell outs" and expect the conversation to go well.

Bryant

[hang a left]

2. I am really disappointed.

The man that brought us Philadelphia is a sell out. I used to love Hanks.

He is on the list now.

[bryant69]

8. He's a sell out because he disagrees with you on a matter of history? n/t

[hang a left]

18. He's a sellout because the JFK murder WAS a conspiracy

snip>

The HSCA concluded in its 1979 report that (emphasis added):

1. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy. The second and third shots he fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President.
2. Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.
3. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy.
* The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Soviet Government was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
* The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Cuban Government was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
* The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that anti-Castro Cuban groups, as groups, were not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.
* The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the national syndicate of organized crime, as a group, was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.
* The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.
4. Agencies and departments of the U.S. Government performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfilment of their duties. President John F. Kennedy did not receive adequate protection. A thorough and reliable investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination was conducted. The investigation into the possibility of conspiracy in the assassination was inadequate. the conclusions of the investigations were arrived at in good faith, but presented in a fashion that was too definitive.

The Committee further concluded that it was probable that:

* four shots were fired
* the third shot came from a second assassin located on the grassy knoll, but missed.

snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations

[bryant69]

27. I don't want to wade hip deep into the conspiracy theories

I just want to confirm that you believe that your case is so strong that the only way he could disagree with it is because he's a sell out.

Bryant

[BootinUp]

50. What a ridiculous question!

:sarcasm:

[Totally Committed]

6. I absolutely couldn't believe this when I first read about it a couple of days ago.

Hanks is such an intelligent man. His politics are usually that of a moderate progressive, too. When I read the quotes from him (I forget where I read this article, or I'd post the link....), saying Bugliosi's book convinced him so thoroughly that there was absolutely no conspiracy, he felt sort of stupid for have had questions for so many years.

I was astounded.

TC

[rinsd]

7. Oh no Rex Bradford! Well Hanks' credibility is shot!

:rofl:

"
JFK research community,"

I love how foilers like to put on fancy airs.

[acmavm]

9. The ONLY thing I've ever liked Tom Hanks in was The Road

to Perdition, so I've never been able to figure out why he was so wildly popular. So I guess to me it doesn't matter what he does although this seems like a strange project.

What are his politics? Anybody know?

[Kerrytravelers]

11. He's on the left politically.

[acmavm]

22. Thanks for answering my question

[Kerrytravelers]

10. I'm not sure what the point of this new mini-series is.

There has been such a collection of lies, half-truths, truths, guesswork, deductions and investigations and the investigations and conspiracy all mingled together, I have no idea what really went on. Do I buy the conspiracy theories? Well, as a general rule of thumb, no. However, I doubt that one lone guy was able to shoot a magic bullet either.

And really, I have to wonder what point is going to be made? After the endless JFK by Oliver Stone, I doubt I'll every be interested in another JFK assassination film, mini-series or documentary again.

[BootinUp]

12. "even at 1600 pages and 950+ more the book is hardly comprehensive..." BAHAHAHA

How did anyone write that with a straight face? :rofl:

[uberblonde]

13. It's a shame he wasn't more impressed by Bugliosi's other book...

The one where he said the Supreme Court stole the election for Bush?

[reprehensor]

14. Indeed.

That's a project I can get behind.

[truebrit71]

41. That's a book to get behind...

Very well written i thought...

[Cha]

62. Hey, that's what I was

thinkin!

[Quantess]

17. Huh. Well maybe he got paid a lot of money to do it.

Everyone's gotta make a living. Too bad though.

[Buzz Clik]

19. Tinfoil sales will be soaring as the protesters start organizing.

[Supersedeas]

20. kicked

[LSK]

21. dont you know that if its on TV, it has to be true

After this project, Tom Hanks will play David Kay as he finds WMD in Iraq.

:sarcasm:

:grr:

[shain from kane]

23. Bugliosi's theory: Oswald decided to kill JFK after he listened to a Vaughn Meader record.

[Octafish]

24. No amount of Bugliosi HBO Bushwa will ever change the facts...

...nor the evidence nor the Truth.

[hang a left]

26. So so true.

Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.
Back and to the left.

Lone nuts be gone!

[hang a left]

42. I knew I could count on you Octafish nt.

[Octafish]

45. We won't let go for good reason: The USA has not been the same since 22 Nov 1963.

Ask Poppy Bush. He knows what we're talking about.

He knows he's got a lot to answer for.

For starters: What was he doing in Dallas when JFK was murdered?

At least that's what he told the FBI.

In the hour of the death of President John F. Kennedy, ostensible Texas oilman George Herbert Walker Bush named a suspect to the FBI in a "confidential" phone call. He then added he was heading for Dallas. Skeptics need not take my word for it, that's what Poppy told the FBI:



Here's a transcript of the text:

TO: SAC, HOUSTON DATE: 11-22-63

FROM: SA GRAHAM W. KITCHEL

SUBJECT: UNKNOWN SUBJECT;
ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT
JOHN F. KENNEDY

At 1:45 p.m. Mr. GEORGE H. W. BUSH, President of the Zapata Off-Shore Drilling Company, Houston, Texas, residence 5525 Briar, Houston, telephonically furnished the following information to writer by long distance telephone call from Tyler, Texas.

BUSH stated that he wanted to be kept confidential but wanted to furnish hearsay that he recalled hearing in recent weeks, the day and source unknown. He stated that one JAMES PARROTT has been talking of killing the President when he comes to Houston.

BUSH stated that PARROTT is possibly a student at the University of Houston and is active in political matters in this area. He stated that he felt Mrs. FAWLEY, telephone number SU 2-5239, or ARLINE SMITH, telephone number JA 9-9194 of the Harris County Republican Party Headquarters would be able to furnish additional information regarding the identity of PARROTT.

BUSH stated that he was proceeding to Dallas, Texas, would remain in the Sheraton-Dallas Hotel and return to his residence on 11-23-63. His office telephone number is CA 2-0395.

# # #

Gee. Why was Poppy Bush in Dallas when JFK was assassinated?

Could it be, he was on official business? I suspect he was on Secret Government business. After all, his eldest son bragged during his Texas Air National Guard and Harvard grad school days that his daddy was CIA.

Here's an FBI document from the same week of the assassination in which FBI Director J Edgar Hoover briefed one "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency." Some strange coincidence there, wot?



Here's a transcript of the above:

Date: November 29, 1963

To: Director
Bureau of Intelligence and Research
Department of State

From: John Edgar Hoover, Director

Subject: ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
NOVEMBER 22, 1963

Our Miami, Florida, Office on November 23, 1963, advised that the Office of Coordinator of Cuban Affairs in Miami advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U. S. policy, which is not true.

Our sources and informants familiar with Cuban matters in the Miami area advise that the general feeling in the anti-Castro Cuban community is one of stunned disbelief and, even among those who did not entirely agree with the President's policy concerning Cuba, the feeling is that the President's death represents a great loss not only to the U. S. but to all of Latin America. These sources know of no plans for unauthorized action against Cuba.

An informant who has furnished reliable information in the past and who is close to a small pro-Castro group in Miami has advised that these individuals are afraid that the assassination of the President may result in strong repressive measures being taken against them and, although pro-Castro in their feelings, regret the assassination.

The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency on November 23, 1963, by Mr. W. T. Forsyth of this Bureau.

# # #

I do remember that GHWB was head of the CIA when the Church Committee was looking into the CIA assassination programs. He made things all friendly-like and turned what had been a serious hunt for truth under previous DCI Colby into another dog-and-pony show that was big on show and light on facts.

Recent evidence shows Bush was CIA earlier than he admitted:

Bush Senior Early CIA Ties Revealed

By Russ Baker and Jonathan Z. Larsen
The Real News Project January 8, 2007

NEW YORK--Newly released internal CIA documents assert that former president George Herbert Walker Bush's oil company emerged from a 1950's collaboration with a covert CIA officer.

Bush has long denied allegations that he had connections to the intelligence community prior to 1976, when he became Central Intelligence Agency director under President Gerald Ford. At the time, he described his appointment as a 'real shocker.'

But the freshly uncovered memos contend that Bush maintained a close personal and business relationship for decades with a CIA staff employee who, according to those CIA documents, was instrumental in the establishment of Bush's oil venture, Zapata, in the early 1950s, and who would later accompany Bush to Vietnam as a “cleared and witting commercial asset” of the agency.

According to a CIA internal memo dated November 29, 1975, Bush's original oil company, Zapata Petroleum, began in 1953 through joint efforts with Thomas J. Devine, a CIA staffer who had resigned his agency position that same year to go into private business. The '75 memo describes Devine as an “oil wild-catting associate of Mr. Bush.” The memo is attached to an earlier memo written in 1968, which lays out how Devine resumed work for the secret agency under commercial cover beginning in 1963.

“Their joint activities culminated in the establishment of Zapata Oil,” the memo reads. In fact, early Zapata corporate filings do not seem to reflect Devine's role in the company, suggesting that it may have been covert. Yet other documents do show Thomas Devine on the board of an affiliated Bush company, Zapata Offshore, in January, 1965, more than a year after he had resumed work for the spy agency.

CONTINUED...

http://realnews.org/rn/content/zapata.html

Small world, huh?

Now I don't know if Poppy was a trigger man, was only there to watch what happened or what just happened to be there. I do know Poppy Bush has never explained these memos. He's never even admitted where he was the day JFK was killed.

Seeing how he would go on to become President, as would his dim son, I believe it's vitally important that we learn the Truth.

Why? The United States and the world haven't been the same since November 22, 1963. And not a single major player in the nation's mass media have stepped up and demanded a real investigation. So, it's up to us, not Tom Hanks. Us: We the People.

[hang a left]

46. Have I told you lately how much I love you?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

66. Stranger still is that he always claimed that he "didn't remember"

where he was that day.

I've never met a single person who couldn't remember where they were that day -- he was there *and* phoned in a tip *and* doesn't remember where he was that day?

Bullshit.

[Johonny]

25. Either way

Tom Hanks will probably make a ton of money cause people will watch. Those that believe there was a conspiracy and those that aren't. Either way it sounds like a winner of an item to produce.

[hang a left]

43. I won't watch it.

And I have HBO

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Tom Hanks should stick with the Space Program. "From The Earth To The Moon" was quality T.V.

He probably thinks he's doing all of us a "favor" helping out the would-be debunkers, but he really ought to do a little more research first.

[roamer65]

44. Hanks is starting to remind me of Gary Sinise.

I am uncertain where Hanks politics lie, but I know Sinise is a Bush loving piece of crap.

[cmkramer]

53. I remember reading around the time of Apollo 13

that Tom Hanks is a conservative Hollywood Democrat. I know he supports the death penalty. But it's also said that he's very loyal to the party.

[Cha]

63. How could gary sinese be so

stupid as to think anything bush was worth his support? That's just wrong~

[fishwax]

47. somehow, I can't seem to get too upset at Hanks about this

Hanks seems like a good guy, even if many don't find that particular book as convincing as he does.

[CGowen]

48. The best thing about visiting the President is the food! ....I must've drank me fifteen Dr. Peppers.

[BootinUp]

49. lol. a classic. n/t

[Dukkha]

51. Ich bin ein conspirator

:tinfoilhat:

[Generator]

54. It's the damn scientology!

No wait, that's Travolta. Hollyweird, anyone?

[autorank]

55. K*R- Hanks is doing Biob Hope... I wish celebs I like would agree with me!

I could care less if it's someone who I don't care about but I like Hanks. But, this may be how he
feels. Also, Bugliosi is a great guy, he wrote a book after 2000 that was seminal in my thinking
None Dare Call It Treason. Powerful stuff.

But you never know. Excellent thread calling attention to this.

Thanks

[tomreedtoon]

56. Believe ALL conspiracy theories, you fools!

It was flying saucers what killed JFK, I tells ya!

The real reason there are so many conspiracy theorists is that there are so many pathetic fools that think they are smarter and better than these hidden conspiracies they claim to find. If these clones of Fu Manchu were powerful enough to kill JFK, why haven't they killed the theorists? Why did the Illuminati become so competent at killing JFK, MLK and RFK, then suddenly become drooling idiots when the job was done, leaving evidence for these guys to dredge up?

Tom Hanks, you deserve a medal for standing up against all these glory-seeking schmucks. I suggest you get the help of Penn and Teller and their series that Showtime can't promote properly, because its title is Bullshit.

[CGowen]

57. MLK conspiracy was proven in court

In 1999, Coretta Scott King, King's widow (and a civil rights leader herself), along with the rest of King's family, won a wrongful death civil trial against Loyd Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators". Jowers claimed to have received $100,000 to arrange King's assassination. The jury of six whites and six blacks found Jowers guilty and that "governmental agencies were parties" to the assassination plot.<32> William F. Pepper represented the King family in the trial.<33><34><35>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King,_Jr.


http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine02112003.html

Pepper, who resides in Cambridge and spends his time practicing law in United States and the United Kingdom, assembles Jowers and Betty and about 70 other witnesses to make a convincing argument that Jowers and known and unknown members of the U.S. government conspired to kill MLK. Indeed, the argument convinced a jury of exactly that in a civil suit brought by the King family against Jowers and the U.S. government. The trial was held in Memphis in 1999, but the Department of Justice, as Pepper explains, buried the verdict beneath an avalanche of lies and distortions, with a little help from its friends in the media.

[k-robjoe]

60. Wake up

Ofcourse people don´t believe in bullets crushing bones (in Connallys rib, and wrist), and ending up with no striation marks on them :

"The Warren Commission's "single bullet," according to all documentation:

* had no thread striations (fine lines etched onto a copper encased bullet tip and/or bullet side casing by clothing threads when the bullet first penetrates clothing threads),

* was marked with no blood,

* was marked with no human tissue,

* had no pieces of clothing attached,

* had lost only 1.5 % of its original average weight

(...)

Several of the exact same type 6.5 millimeter test bullets were test-fired by the Warren Commission investigators. The only test bullet that most matched the slight side flattening and nearly pristine, still rounded impact tip of CE399 was a bullet that had only been fired into a long tube containing a thick layer of cotton. (later tests show that such bullets survive intact when fired into solid wood and multiple layers of skin and ballistic gel, as well-- see Discovery Channel reference below)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory

[k-robjoe]

58. Message to Tom Hanks

Dear Tom,

If Vincent Bugliosi is right about reclaiming history to assert that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK, not being part of any conspiracy, .........then why does the American public never get to see this:

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/tomhanks.htm

Or this :

"CIA operative Antonio Veciana testified regarding his case officer Maurice Bishop. The sketch of Bishop was based on Veciana's recollections of the appearance of the man meeting with Oswald. Antonio Veciana was shot in the head after testifying, but survived."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i7OidcsB3s&NR=1 ( 3 min )

"Commentary by Deputy Sheriff Roger D. Craig. His presence is shown on the film.

The official story is that it was a misconception that the rifle found was a Mauser 7.65 german rifle. Mr. Craig insists it was a Mauser. As does Mr. Weitzman."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WQr4y1j4Gw (4 min )

( More on Roger Craig :
http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=two+men+in+dallas )

[k-robjoe]

59. More

"John F Kennedy's bodyguards being told to stay away from JFK"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpPjjKdUds&mode=related&search=

Also :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6381715945959623614 ( 9 min )

[Pastiche423]

61. This is so sad and disappointing

to me. I have always thought Tom Hanks to be an intelligent man. But it's even more disappointing coming from the man that authored The Betrayal of America.

[earth mom]

64. Wow-between this & Spielberg supporting Schwarzenegger-what is happening to Hollywood?!

:wtf:

I'm VERY disappointed in Tom-he's been one of my all time favorites for years. :(

[CGowen]

65. Spileberg now supports Hillary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3314641