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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 10:30 PM
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Does Bush remind you of the Paul Newman character "Hud"
Edited on Sat Jun-09-07 10:33 PM by Elwood P Dowd
When little George was shown prancing around his fake ranch in Crawford, I would rack my brain trying to remember an ole' movie character. Couldn't remember until the other night when "Hud" played on one of the movie channels. I had been thinking about the 1963 movie "Hud" all these years. Bush is "Hud", except he is forcing his evil on the United States Of America (and the world) rather than his father, cook, nephew, and friends. Hud's nephew even accuses him of dodging the draft in the last scene.

Edit to Add: Hud also wanted to convert the ranch into one giant oil field.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 10:37 PM
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1. Yeah, except that Hud was played by Paul Newman.....
while Bush is played by the unfortunate George W. Bush.

Casting is everything. ;)
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:15 PM
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6. Bush rants like Charlie Manson
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:02 PM
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no
and no.

i'd rather have Paul Newman running a company, a country,or the car i'm riding in rather than that dumb f%#|ing *moron any day.

dp
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:02 PM
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2. No way I can connect Bush to Paul Newman.
My brain just won't go there. :)
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 12:12 AM
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17. Me neither.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 12:18 AM
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18. We're talking about Hud, not Paul Newman.
:eyes:
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:03 PM
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3. No
Edited on Sat Jun-09-07 11:12 PM by Jack Rabbit
That is an awful put-down of Hud. You owe that fictitious character an apology.

Hud was an adult. He didn't think the world owed him anything, but he did believe it is a dog-eat-dog world and he was going to dine on the carcass of decent men like his father rather than be anybody's prey. I don't know what Bush would do if faced with the possibility of being stuck with a whole heard of cattle with hoof and mouth disease. We know what Hud would do: sell every head to anybody stupid enough to buy. "All I'm saying is let's get our bread in that gravy while it's good and hot." Every since I first saw the film, I can hear Melvyn Douglas' wraspy voice reply, "You're an unprincipled man, Hud."

Bush takes because he thinks he's entitled to it. Hud takes because he thinks that's the only way he, or anybody else, can have it. He knows that it, whatever it is -- his father's estate or Patricia Neal's snatch, is not his by entitlement. Hud is no more entitled to it than the next man's. It's not his until he take possession of it.

Hud is a pure nihilist. He believes in nothing and thus fights for nothing but his own self-interest. Bush, self-centered as he is, has some things he believes in, like some warped version of God and country where he, Bush, is God's anointed to lead America to smite God's evil-doing enemies, foreign and domestic. This gives Bush the delusion that while he serves his own selfish ends he is in fact serving a higher force in the cosmos. Hud had no such delusion. If there is a God, Hud figures, God would take care of Himself and probably does nicely. It was for Hud to take care of Hud.

ON EDIT

I have just read some of the other comments and wonder if those people have seen the film. Hud, directed by Martin Ritt (a badly underrated filmmaker, in my opinion) starred Paul Newman, Melvyn Douglas, Patricia Neal and Brandon de Wilde, all of whom were nomonated for Oscars (Ritt always got good performances from his actors; I once counted 17 Oscar nominations for acting performances in Ritt's films over the years).

Paul Newman plays Hud beautifully, but Hud is no hero. This is not a man to admire.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:31 PM
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7. You have obviously watched that film a few times.
I watched it as a high school kid in the 60s and then parts of it Thursday night. I still think there are many similarities between Bushitler and Hud.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 12:02 AM
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14. Bush compares better to Captain Ahab
Except that Bush wouldn't have the discipline to read or understand Emerson, as Ahab apparently did.

The question is whether America woke up in time to mutiny or whether we're already doomed to be sunk by the White Whale.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:44 PM
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9. not everyone goes to the movies
some of us read the novels instead.

Horseman, Pass By, Larry McMurtry's first novel was the basis for the film. And as usual Hollywood never achieved the depths of the characters portrayed in his book. Not that the reviews would acclaim.

"Hud (1963): Paul Newman is the contemporary cowboy in this enormously successful adaptation of McMurtry’s first novel, Horseman, Pass By, set, in the words of Pauline Kael, “in the Texas of Cadillacs and cattle, crickets and transistor radios.” Martin Ritt directed, and the starkly handsome black-and-white photography is by James Wong Howe. Patricia Neal, saying her lines in a sexy Texas drawl, plays the housekeeper of the Bannon ranch, and the knowing looks and sharp exchanges of dialogue between her Alma and Newman’s Hud give the film a constant tension and tingle. (Neal won an Oscar for best actress.)

Newman’s Hud is cold-blooded and unprincipled, representing the new predatory spirit of the West that is meant to contrast vividly with the earthy, 19th-century values embodied by his father Homer, played by Melvin Douglas. (If the film has a fault, it’s that the contrast between cattleman father and son, who wants to turn the land over to oil wildcatters, is constantly pushed in front of us.) Brandon DeWilde, who called to Alan Ladd to come back at the end of Shane, plays Hud’s teenage nephew, Lon. He does not call to Newman to come back at the end of this film.

Writing about Hud in his book, In A Narrow Grave: Essays on Texas, McMurtry wrote, “The screenwriters erred badly in following my novel too closely.” He is surely the first and perhaps the only novelist in history to make that complaint. "


Yet, they did it again with Leaving Cheyenne, his 2nd novel.
"Lovin' Molly
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lovin' Molly

Lovin' Molly is a 1974 drama film directed by Sidney Lumet and starring Anthony Perkins, Beau Bridges, Blythe Danner in the title role, Ed Binns, and Susan Sarandon. The film is based on one of Larry McMurtry's first novels, Leaving Cheyenne. Prior to release, the film was also known as Molly, Gid, and Johnny and The Wild and The Sweet.

In an interview with another of the actors in the film, Paul Partain (better known for his role in The Texas Chain Saw Massacre) described the origins of the film:

When Sidney and Stephen got into town, they came with what they hoped would be the perfect formula for success. It had worked on The Last Picture Show, and they knew it would work here. It was this: get a Larry McMurtry novel, hire your three lead actors from Hollywood, get a great director, pick up all the rest of the actors and the crew from the local pool and you were set. Great plan, and it almost worked...

The movie was filmed in Bastrop, Texas; the filming was witnessed by a Texan journalist who later wrote a 1974 Texas Monthly article about the film. The lengthly article (over 4000 words) was published in advance of its release, and noted the following:

* Should you find more than a modicum of true Texas in the film — excluding John Henry Faulk's bit role — why, then, I'll buy you a two-dollar play purty. Lovin' Molly has no sense of Time or Place: a curious development, indeed, when you consider that Larry McMurtry's writing strength derives from evoking Time-and-Place about as well as you will find it done this side of Faulkner.
* Let us fade, now, into the recent past — back to Austin and Bastrop, in November and December, 1972 — to discover how professional film folks could have so botched and perverted McMurtry's Texas.
* a yarn of cattle country and of the last stubborn independent men in it; he well-clued the reader that his people wore coiled hats, boots, jeans, and retained a certain fierce saddleback pride. So director Sid Lumet trots everybody out in clod-hoppers and bib-overalls; they plant and reap as if in the best bottomlands of the rich Mississippi Delta."


Films aren't always the best representations of the characters the creator/author has brought forth for our enjoyment and education.

"Cast a cold eye on life, on death; horseman, pass by!" Wm. Butler Yeats.

dp


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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:55 PM
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12. Thank you
I'll have to take down the name of the novel. Every once in a while, I get a wild hair up my fanny and go looking for it, but can never remember the name. I've wanted to read it for a while now
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 12:08 AM
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15. Read Leaving Cheyenne also if you get the chance
a different story, a different message.

dp
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:09 PM
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4. No. n/t
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LeftyFingerPop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:11 PM
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5. No, but he does remind me of "Dud" n/t
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:40 PM
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8. Festus
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:49 PM
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10. Brick Pollitt n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:50 PM
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11. He reminds me more of Hedley Lamar.







"That's ... HEDLEY."




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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-09-07 11:58 PM
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13. Karl Rove reminds me of Hedley Lamarr
Bush reminds me of Governor LePetomaine.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 12:11 AM
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16. Reminds me of a cross between Alfred E. Newman and Khan.
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ToeBot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 12:20 AM
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19. More like that Steve Martin character, Navin R Johnson. n/t
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