Depleated uranium

[blues90]

Here is a topic that gets little talk . I was listening to Jeff Farias today . How on earth are they ever going to clean this mess up . It's going to be the long lasting effects of this madness well after the 50 years or however long we will be there . I think about the bombing still and what this does to spread this crap out all over their land as well as it drifting to other areas .

[jgraz]

1. I know! I want my Uranium with pleats!

It just looks so much better. ;)

[Gregorian]

6. What a sartorial abomination. Get a half-life!

:)

[jgraz]

7. Hey, I always wear the latest in fission

[PoiBoy]

2. It's worse than you can imagine...

here's a couple of links for you:

Depleted Uranium situation Worsens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2819481

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=662

Beyond Treason
http://www.beyondtreason.com/

If you're a veteran, the Beyond Treason DVD is free...

[Edweird]

4. Ask any Gulf I vet that got sick how that worked out for them.

It didn't. Denial. No services, nothing.

[Edweird]

3. Clean up? What clean up? Bush will get some true believers to create a report

that says depleted uranium is good for you and is a part of any balanced Iraqi diet, and that they should be ashamed for bringing this up. The MSM will promptly drop it like a hot potato and it will never be mentioned again.

[lonestarnot]

5. And no shower taking to wash it off.

[Decruiter]

8. DEPLETED URANIUM. It is just so damned unfortunate that DU is DU.

DemocraticUnderground, DEPLETED URANIUM.

It is the Agent Orange of the Gulf Wars and then some.

[Decruiter]

9. It can't be "cleaned up". Google Doug Rokke, he will help you understand.

Pay attention on spelling it the right way, okay? DEPLETED URANIUM, DU.

[blues90]

29. I,m well aware depleted Uranium can't be cleaned up

it's a fine power that there is no way of picking up and it is not magnetic and it drifts in air currents for many miles . Our wonderful government claims they will clean this up and this is a lie and as misleading as everything else that they bark out at us and people probably think it can be cleaned up .

These are not legal weapons however they could care less about any life as long as it is not theirs , maybe McCain got a nose full of the stuff .

[Decruiter]

10. Just think about all our soldiers breathing it, think about all the Iraqis.

The US and all of us, the citizens, we the people, we have created a nuclear wasteland in the MidEast and not only that, look what we have done to our soldiers.

This is the crime of this century. We are damned and then some. "we the people", in our silence, we are complicit.

[chknltl]

11. repug candidates want to leave the nuclear option....

...on the table in-regards to a pre-emptive strike on Iran. These assholes don't get it AT ALL!
I say clean up should go to the bastards who advocated and/or profited from the use of DU munitions.
I have often wondered why bush jr invested in a ranch down in Argentina. I wonder if he is concerned about the spread of depleted uranium oxide throughout the northern hemisphere.

I wonder: If our MSM wants to keep their heads buried in the sand on this topic what would happen if Iraqi citizens were to mail "Iraqi sand" to our MSM. There can't be any laws about mailing just plain ol ordinary sand is there? Nobody is breaking any current laws here are they? Does one need a permit or some-such to mail sand? If they started doing this, someone is bound to notice. One side would be screaming that DU Oxide laden sand is a bio-hazard while the other side will be shouting just as loud that DU-Oxide is not a hazard, in which case they can have sand shipped to their doorways... I'll bet a consensus on it's harmfulness happens in record time if that were done.

Please note: I said NOTHING about actually mailing sand with DU-Oxide contaminants in it. I suggest just plain Iraqi sand. Folks would figure out why quick enough, especially if there were some photos of wrecked tanks along with the sand. The story would get out in short order from this....

Dear Fox News: As a token of thanks for all you have done on the behalf of Iraq please accept our gift of this jar of authentic Iraqi sand. Think of it as a relic from a bad war gone wrong, sort of like a piece of the Berlin Wall. We collected it from around this old hulk of a tank. One our kids play on now days because the playgrounds are not so safe anymore.

Do that to a few news-desks and it will have the same affect as an M-80 in an anthill!

Remember...sand, just plain ol' ORDINARY sand. I may be unfamiliar with international laws or our own postal laws but I can not see where mailing ordinary sand can be illegal

[Decruiter]

14. Remember the scene in Erin B movie when she asked them to drink the water?

Same thing. Same thing. Just ship the guys some sand to play in, have their kids and grandkids play in it.

Same choke as in the movie, same thing.

Never, not in my lifetime or in yours.

Peace. Sand is sand, let us go build castles.

[chknltl]

17. Missed the movie...

so missed the point, sorry. Someone else took issues with my semi-snarkfull notion in another depleted uranium thread here in the big ol' DU. I never really got why then. For what it is worth, I have been debating on suggesting this notion to Leuren Moret but felt it better to appear the idiot here first. I am quite aware some of my fool notions may be batshitcrazy and this may get the duzy award in that category. So help me out here. Why should the citizens of Iraq not seek some simple form of protest such as this in order to get WE THE PEOPLE to notice this issue? I can hardly expect them to go quietly into the night over this and our media is not jumping all over this issue as much as they should. Considering the horrendous damage it may be responsible for multiplied by it's five million year half life, SOMETHING has got to give here.

[Decruiter]

23. Okay, so you know Lauren, Debate away, she and Doug and many others

spend hours in debate. You are right on every issue, especially \

SOMETHING HAS TO GIVE HERE!!

So you are right we are on the same page.

Something has to give, the people in this country, the US, they have to start to care, to give a damn, right?

Well, dear sir or madam, I've not seen it yet!

But I keep hoping, we are just quite simply running out of time.

[chknltl]

26. Um... don't really know her...we have only e-mailed each other.

Same with Helen Caldicott, (Hope her name is spelled right). She is with us here...or rather we are with her. These folks are open to the public and answer folks like you or I when they choose to do so. (read: if they want to and are not so busy.) I actually got a nice letter from Rep. Jim McDermott, (Dem Wa.) on this issue as well once. He is on our side here too and comes at it with a doctor's background. He has been to Iraq to study the effects of Depleted Uranium on babies whose mothers were exposed. He periodically sponsors and co-sponsors legislation about DU. It was from Jim McDermott that I first heard about this stuff, he gave a speech which included his findings on C-SPAN just prior to our going on this fiasco of a war. (See I am just a newbie here...the issue has been around for a lot longer)

Running out of time?...Perhaps you are right....perhaps you are right. (No snark here, I have my fears too friend! Just because it was spread throughout the ME does not mean the effects won't migrate here over time as well)

Also: The origins of the name chknltl: After I learned about DU Oxide poisoning I went nuts telling anyone I could get to listen. I cornered folks in a laundromat once and gave a speech! I spoke to those waiting in line at a Baskins and Robbins Ice Cream shop. I went to a Minister who is the leader of a Boy Scout troop and made him look things up online about this. (Put the fear of God into that one I hope!) Any child old enough to start thinking about joining the military would get an earload and a crumbled scrap of paper with DU links on it. (So would his or her parents) I really was like a modern day chicken little in my neck of the woods...still am to some extent....hence my name!

I confess to having little patience on this myself in some cases. MY BLOOD BOILS when the naysayers come around to the Depleted Uranium threads. Here is my argument and I hope you find it of some future use my friend, these words are reserved for the depleted uranium issue naysayers:

"What do you hope to gain here by pissing all over those who are fighting so hard to bring this horrible issue further into the limelight? Do you want it to go away? Do you want those babies born mutilated over in Iraq and Afghanistan to just go away? What do you hope to gain here? Were you among those who pissed on the Global Warming issue as well? There have been plenty of folks who did this over the years and do you know what they gained? Slowed public reaction! Is that your intentions here? Do you want to slow public reaction? Look at BOTH sides of the science pal, what is at stake here? If we who scream so loud on this issue are wrong, what is lost? A few million $$ to the military industrial complex...and we have brought anxiety to those who were exposed! I CAN ACCEPT THIS! On the other hand what if YOU are wrong dear naysayer. What if all our "doom and gloom" is accurate? Then what is lost here by your deliberate attempt to foil us in getting this out? ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO RISK THAT? Think about it from this angle: after seeing the science available to us all online, BOTH SIDES, would you allow your loved ones to be exposed to depleted uranium oxide? If so you are a risk taker beyond my comprehension! We can share no common ground here!"

I have posted this and similar items. If any of it proves useful in a future debate with a naysayer then use it. I AM embarrassed over my anger though, like you I have seen FAR TOO much of the damage here online. I try hard to have patience, sometimes it works other-times meh...that guy got put on ignore about two months ago and he can stay there...I have little time for his particular nonsense and will not let him anger me further..!

You and I have ping-ponged here in this thread, I want you to know this: I am pleased that you are on our team. I do not hold any anger you may have against you...I understand it fully and agree with it. We need to get this out there...if the world saw this issue as we have, well there would be hell to pay, after the mess is dealt with that is. The goal here is to get aid to those exposed, sadly we have to get this issue out from under the public's radar first. There are quite a few here in the DU who share our feelings and concerns Decruiter, you are among friends. :grouphug:

[StarryNite]

12. Depleated Uranium,

the gift that keeps on giving.

[Decruiter]

13. Please try to spell it the right way - DEPLETED URANIUM.

DEPLETED URANIUM is the WMD, the weapon of mass destruction, for many long years into the future.

Okay, StarryNite, It is called DEPLETED URANIUM, not Depleated Uranium. Just get it right, please, for all of us.

[chknltl]

15. Oh hell, I thought this was a thread about depleted uranium

...I have never heard of depleated uranium. Here I am posting in a thread about something I have never heard of! Silly me!



(PS: btw I have a bad habit of sticking that same "a" in there all the time...once in a letter to Leuren Moret of all people. I commend DU for having spell check. If it weren't for this feature I would have been branded a freeper ages ago!)

[Decruiter]

16. chknltl, I have no patience anymore about DU or being cute about it.

DU has been on my radar and something I'm very concerned with for far too long.

Sarcasm on your level has no place in my small world. Thank you though, for your kind words.

on edit, I'd really like to tell you how I really feel, but this time I'm just not going to bother.

[chknltl]

19. Believe it or not we are on the same side!

DU has been on my radar awhile now. I own a copy of Beyond Treason. Until about a week ago I advertised the DVD in my sig line for 2 years here! It is the very reason I came to the Democratic Underground! I have started my share of threads here on this topic. I even have one DUer on ignore because he is trying to convince our fellow DUers that depleted uranium is nothing to get worked up over.

I am sorry you can not share in this tiny bit of wit, it is one of the qualities I enjoy here in DU and plan to continue enjoying in spite of all the nightmares which go on around us. No flames here, just thought you should know where I really stand. I'll never alienate a fellow fighter on this topic.

Sometimes a little wit can keep things real. Some folks get real angry like when others point out their mistakes. The OP even called it depleated...for what it is worth, I strongly support anyone who posts here on this topic...I would not like to see ANY of my fellow DUers leave this issue angry or embarrassed, especially ones who share our views. :pals:

edited to add the second paragraph

[Decruiter]

21. Peace, I'm sorry, I might just be a bit on edge about Depleted Uranium.

Please accept my apologies.

[chknltl]

24. None needed...we are on the same team!

:toast:

[blues90]

28. Sorry , I was in a rush and did not check the spelling -

I don't feel this topic is a joke , it is very serious to me , I know spelling counts .

[Decruiter]

20. Hey StarryNite, saying, writing "depleated" is like Bush and his lame

attempts at saying, spelling, reading, whatever as in NUclear or however he says it, I can't spell it right now.

It hurts us all.

[StarryNite]

22. I'm so sorry!

It's late and my spelling sucks! I do take this issue very seriously. Please focus on the issue itself rather than my lame ass spelling. This crap is a real killer not only to those who are directly exposed to it but to those who come in contact with those who have been directly exposed to it. That with the fact that it lasts for so damn long is why I said it is the gift that keeps on giving.

[chknltl]

27. You are correct StarryNite

We should all focus on this issue. There are many issues worthy of critical attention, this is indeed one of them. As to the spelling: If it were not for this forum's spell check feature many of us would have been dismissed as freepers long ago. (If you have never had the ...um ..."pleasure" check out some of the free republic stuff which gets posted here on occasion. Those guys have invented a whole knew language)

This topic, Depleted Uranium, is a tough one to post here sometimes. Most folks here are aware to some extent and I for one like seeing it stay on our radar. The topic desperately needs public exposure. It's use as a munition needs to end EVERYWHERE. Those who have been exposed to the effects may need medical help and yet be unaware of that need. There are reports of Vets who were exposed actually re-exposing their own loved ones! This MUST stop!
(btw: I have written it depleated often enough too...still try to do so every now and then)

edited for a much needed spell, imagine that! :hi:

[blogslut]

18. It's nasty bad stuff

And we have no business incorporating it into our weaponry.

[krispos42]

25. We don't have to

The Rapture is due any year now, you know, before Bush leaves office, so the problem will take care of itself!