Who Will Edwards Endorse & Where Will His Supporters Turn?

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 03:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txHkq8Mdh8o   Posted on YouTube: January 30, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: January 31, 2008 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 937

 
Cenk went back and forth between Edwards and Obama in the last 6 weeks or so before finally settling on Obama recently. Now I'm in the same boat, but only by default as Edwards is now out. And yes, I'm well aware that many of you are really pissed and refuse to say you'll go with Obama OR Hillary.


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[still_one]

1. I don't think he will endorse until after Tuesday /nt

[CherylK]

2. I've been with Obama from the start

I always get annoyed when people assume I'm voting for Hillary because she's a woman but that's another story! Obviously I want Edwards to back Obama before Tuesday. And I am surprised about that poll. I don't think it's right, I think we will see most Edwards supporters helping Obama if anything.

[paulkienitz]

3. color me pissed Edwards didn't stay in til Super Tuesday

[CherylK]

4. Even though I have been behind Obama

Even though I have been behind Obama I liked having Edwards around. I think it helped make Obama and even Hillary better by influencing their policies in a positive progressive way.

[judasdisney]

5. I Cancelled My Young Turks Subscription

"Ihavenobias" is inaccurate in reporting that "Cenk went back and forth between Edwards and Obama in the last 6 weeks or so before finally settling on Obama recently."

In fact, Cenk routinely bashed Edwards as "phony," stated "I'm just not feeling him," let Wes Clark Jr. wage unlimited & unanswered surrogate attacks on Edwards, and during the 3rd hour of January 14th's show, Cenk read anecdotes by DLC strategist Bob Shrum which accused Edwards of not being merely dishonest and "phony" but actually mentally ill.

As a result of ugly smears against Edwards a week earlier, before Young Turks was discontinued on Air America, I wrote Producer David at the Young Turks and described my discomfort with the zero-substance attacks on Edwards. Fair & constructive criticism is one matter, but Cenk's accusations of "phoniness" were unsubstantiated, non-specific, ambiguous and cheap. As an Edwards volunteer, I was working at cross-purposes by paying for a Young Turks subscription to hear Edwards trashed in cheap-shot smears.

Cenk's attacks were more insidious and disgusting because his non-specific repetition of the "phony" meme was always countered with "But maybe I'm leaning toward Edwards sometimes" -- an outright "plausible deniability" tactic to continue his covert attacks.

I am an opponent of Air America and all of their fake "progressive" DLC-friendly pablum, especially their refusal to broadcast real fighters like Cenk. Unfortunately, with Cenk's duplicitous citing of BOB SHRUM on January 14th -- and against Edwards, no less -- the Young Turks appears to be nothing more than another extremely well-disguised vehicle to provide cover for DLC candidates like Hillary. It's no accident that Wes Clark Jr. is treated with such high regard, and Wes Clark Jr. has nothing but contempt for Edwards (refer to any of his Wednesday or Friday appearances).

I was a Young Turks subscriber for over a year and was Cenk's biggest fan & supporter. For his despicable two-faced treatment of Edwards, I regret ever giving the Young Turks a dime of my money.

[ihavenobias]

6. Congratulations!

"judasdisney'" I couldn't disagree more (with your strong *second* post...interesting to see if you stick around, but if so, welcome!). He often had a lot of good things to say about Edwards. Did he criticize him? Yes. And more recently he was struck by the Nevada debate (I admit I wasn't crazy about it either) where John had to say several times basically "yeah, I voted the wrong way on that but now I've changed". *I* forgived him but I can't totally hold it against someone who finds that questionable.

But he also defended him against BS charges about his house and his haircut, many, many times and praised him for being a fighter. I'm sorry that he didn't constantly heap praise on him as you would have liked. As an Edwards supporter, *I* also would have liked him to have chosen Edwards over Obama in the end but I wouldn't go out of my way to write some long email with dramatic pejoratives like "insidious, disgusting, duplicitous", etc.

IMO, your post is WAY over the top, bordering on absurd and outrageous. It's one thing to disagree that Cenk was ever for Edwards and quite another to come up with tin-foil-hat conspiracies. For example, when you wrote "...another extremely well-disguised vehicle to provide cover for DLC candidates like Hillary" I almost laughed because it was, well, laughable. Especially in the context of how much Cenk openly dislikes Hillary. But even there, he criticizes her on *substance* and defends her against attacks on her gender, laugh, tipping and all of the other bs (and many of those defenses are on YouTube).

PS---Wes Clark HAS pissed me off WRT Edwards, I'll give you that. But I'm not going to cancel my membership because ONE guy who's on once a week is against my candidate for what I consider to be stupid reasons (and as I've written before, his dad is behind Hillary so there's a vested interest). I'm a little dubious of your motives here (again, strong nature of post, 2nd post, etc) but I have no way of knowing so I'll just say to each his own and good luck!

[JNelson6563]

7. Very interesting

Some time ago there was a fuss made over some interview on the YT w/Wes Clark Jr. I went and watched it and came away very unimpressed. The level of discourse was that of a high school cafeteria.

I can easily picture what you describe due to what I have seen before.

Julie

[navarth]

9. Frankly I'm surprised at your evaluation of The Young Turks

Julie, please show me a High School cafeteria where I could be as informed, amused and enthused as much as I am when I enjoy a visit with the Young Turks. Perhaps you're turned off by passionate political discourse? Perhaps your sense of humor flows in a different direction?

I'm surprised and mystified. But hey, if it ain't your thing, ok.

Perhaps it would be constructive to give a rough delineation of how you would improve their show. Just curious. I really like the show, contribute money, and I feel it should be supported; therefore it's in my interest to know what bothers you. I want them to be around so I can continue to enjoy them.

[JNelson6563]

12. The show I referenced

had Wes Clark Jr. on as the guest. The host and the guest were very sophomoric in thier dialogue, name calling Dems they disagreed with and doing the mocking thing (you know, like Bush's imitation of Carla Faye Tucker). I thought "Wow!" Really, I've heard more mature political discourse listening to my teenage kids and their friends discuss politics.

In fairness it was one show and perhaps it was not a good example to judge them on completely, I checked it out cause certain persons were swooning and gushing over Clark Jr. For the life of me I couldn't see why. I liken to what I saw to some of the shabbier behavior we can currently go to DU GDPrimary for.

Julie

[navarth]

13. ok, fair enough, and thanks for supporting Nancy Skinner

I'm also a Michigander and really like Nancy ever since her radio show.

I guess we'll have to disagree about Wes Clark Jr. Perhaps it's a 'guy humor' thing...but what I like most about Wes Jr. is his passion about getting some fight into the Democratic Party.

I share his outrage every time the Democrats in congress and the senate back down to Bu$h and the fascists. Perhaps a few more shows with Wes Jr. would give you a better sampling? Perhaps not. But thanks for your nice reply. See you on the freeways! Nice commute today with all this snow. ugh.

[JNelson6563]

14. Cheers!

Hope you made it through today's weather challenges! :toast:

Julie

[navarth]

10. judasdisney, I have to say

I feel your pain about Edwards. I'm an Edwards supporter too. And if you want to cancel your Turks subscription, well there's nothing to be done about that, I guess.

But: seeing The Turks as agents for the DLC?? Hillary-friendly??

You've got to be kidding. You went into ridiculous land there for a sec. I mean really. You had my empathy up until that point.

There is no f**cking way in Hell that The Turks are shilling for Hillary. Come on, please.

Speaking as another Edwards volunteer. Donated money. Argued like crazy with Ron Paul supporters.

No way would I abandon the Turks.

Other than that.....I feel ya.
:pals:

[Phred42]

8. THIS Edwards Supporter will Still Vote For Edwards

I will vote for whom ever the Dem candidate is in the General.

Now the Corporate Twins are left.
I see nothing in either HC or BO to make me vote FOR either one in a Primary. It no longer matters to me. The rest of you can choose and I'll vote for the finalist.

Edwards is already on the ballot. Since it dosen't matter to me which of the Corporate Twins makes it to the General - I will vote for Edwards in the Primaries.

[navarth]

11. It really does suck that JE had to drop out

I've got to believe that at least Obama will be better than McCain in some way.

At least it will keep fucking Joe Liebermann out of the white house.

[Phred42]

15. ANY Democrat would be better than McCain