Sen. Hillary Clinton meets a medical marijuana patient

[Bonobo]

Run time: 00:36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP-GgIVRyV8   Posted on YouTube: November 01, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: January 12, 2008 By DU Member: Bonobo Views on DU: 1184

 
Please watch this tepid response to a medical marijuana patient who looks like he is on death's door.

Looks to me like she will continue Bill's legacy of unprecedented incarceration for marijuana offenses.

[jlake]

1. Hmmm... that's not what I got from the video.

She seemed sincere and caring, and she certainly did not say what you imply.

[liberalnurse]

3. I totally agree, she was very sincere and notably concerned...

Hillary as President can act on legislation developed/passed by the Congress. The President is the last step on the path....The battle at hand is for the activist to pressure Congress.

[ClayZ]

2. Research Volunteers Sign Up?

[maddiejoan]

4. where do you get that

from this video?

[Bonobo]

5. Tepid, disinterested response tells the story. As does her husband's history on this issue.

Find her position on marijuana for yourself. It isn't easy to find because she it is an issue that she will duck during the campaign (like in her studied response in this video) and then, if elected, she will continue to throw innocent people in jail to prove she's not the hippie that she used to be accused of.

Oh, and I LOVED your calling John Edwards a con-man. Classy.

[jlake]

6. her response was, as another poster said, notably caring and sincere.

[Bonobo]

7. Why is her position on the issue so carefully obscured then?

[jlake]

9. i do not think it was obscured. She said that more research IS NEEDED.

Her tone implied that she understands the issue and that something must be done.
She did NOT blow the guy off. I am confident that she is the best candidate to hammer out a plan that will enable those who NEED medical marijuana to have safe, truly legal access.

[maddiejoan]

8. you mean like this one?

where she pledges to end medical marijuana raids?

http://bbsnews.net/article.php/20070717133158914

BBSNews 2007-07-17 -- MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE (GSMM) - Two prominent presidential contenders have moved in opposite directions on the issue of federal attacks on medical marijuana patients, as America's second largest cancer charity, the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, came out strongly for protection of medical marijuana patients. Democratic frontrunner Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) called for an end to federal raids in states where medical use of marijuana is legal, while Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) backtracked on an earlier promise to end the raids.

as far as what I called Edwards --maybe you should re-read the book to The Music Man. Edwards is very much Professor Harold Hill. (Hint --in he end he does make good on his promises, but his promises are rooted in salesmanship and hucksterism.)

You've called Hillary way worse, kiddo. So don't tell me about class.

[Bonobo]

10. That "pledge" has to be one of the weakest things I have ever heard.

If she feels strongly about it, why is that pathetic news blurb the only shred of evidence of her concern.

I mean, her husband put tens of millions of marijuana smokers in prison. Doesn't she feel any sense of the weight of responsibility for that? What about all those languishing in prison?

Hil wants to take "credit" for experience at the WH, but wants to disavow the uglier sides of things. Well, it's fair game if her "experience" is fair game.

[maddiejoan]

11. Nice strawman

Want more on her position? Here ya go.

http://granitestaters.com/candidates/hillary_clinton.html

During the question and answer portion of an October 11 town hall forum at Plymouth State College in Plymouth, New Hampshire, a member of the audience asked Sen. Clinton, "I have a question about something that pains me deeply -- medical marijuana?"

Sen. Clinton responded, "With respect to medical marijuana, you know I think that we have a lot of rhetoric and the federal government has been very intent upon trying to prevent states from being able to offer that as an option for people who are in pain. I think we should be doing medical research on this. We've ought to find what are the elements that claim to be existing in marijuana that might help people who are suffering from cancer, nausea-related treatments. We ought to find that out. I don't think we should decriminalize it, but we ought to do research into what, if any, medical benefits it has. Remember, most painkillers come from poppies. We've had all kinds of drugs that have benefited Americans. So you know, we ought to be doing research. If there's something that could be made available that would be legal, we should look to that because I think that there are a lot of people suffering from debilitating pain, from medical treatments, that they undergo, and there's no reason they should suffer needlessly if we can have a legal, ethical framework to try to alleviate that pain."

[Bonobo]

12. Again, reading between the lines shows how she really feels. For example.

"I think we should be doing medical research on this. We've ought to find what are the elements that claim to be existing in marijuana that might help people who are suffering from cancer, nausea-related treatments."

TRANSLATION: "The very best I MIGHT do, is to allow pharmaceutical giants to patent a syntheisized form of marijuana and then we will allow some people to pay large amounts of money for it IF they have a terminal illness and enough money to see a doctor that will right them a prescription."

"I don't think we should decriminalize it, but we ought to do research into what, if any, medical benefits it has."

TRANSLATION: I will continue the War on Drugs policy of my husband.

"If there's something that could be made available that would be legal, we should look to that because I think that there are a lot of people suffering from debilitating pain, from medical treatments, that they undergo, and there's no reason they should suffer needlessly if we can have a legal, ethical framework to try to alleviate that pain."

TRANSLATION: "I won't do shit."

[maddiejoan]

13. Edwards is exactly the same

http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/john-edwards/17/medical-marijuana-and-drug-policy/1/

Pressed by reporters after a speech in which he failed to mention the topic, he called for further study. "I wouldn't change the (marijuana) law now, but I would set up a committee to see if pain relief is different with marijuana," Edwards said. In the meantime, he told reporters, medical marijuana users and providers should expect arrests. "It's the job of the Justice Department to enforce the law as it presently exists," said Edwards.

[Bonobo]

14. Then he's an asshole too on the issue.

That's why I was really for Kucinich, Dodd, etc.

[maddiejoan]

15. Kucinich is still in the race

why aren't you still with him?

[Bonobo]

16. He is #1 for me. Edwards is #2.

[maddiejoan]

17. And I support Kucinich through campaign donations.

But I'm supporting Hillary as well. (not thru donations --she doesn't need my money)

If it looks like Hillary is running away with NY, I'll cast my primary vote for Kucinich.

But if it's close between Hill and Obama --you bet your sweet ass I'm voting for Hillary.

[Bonobo]

18. Exactly the same here. Only in my case, I will throw it to Obama.

[maddiejoan]

19. Why not Edwards?

I thought he was your second choice?

[Bonobo]

20. Let's be serious.

I think it's almost over for him. I think he will just stay in to try to maintain enough influence to "sell" his populist platform to the one who wants it the baddest. My bet is on Obama.

[maddiejoan]

22. So really all you are is Anti-Hillary

I thought as much.

[Bonobo]

23. I am working against the Clinton campaign, but the "Anti-Hillary" rhetoric doesn't fly.

I mean..."Anti-Hillary"... that's like a code-word for A "Hillary-Hater" which is really subtext for "You are a sexist because you don't support Hillary."

So, no... I'm not buying.

[maddiejoan]

26. Talk about not buying

You ARE Anti-Hillary --and I never brought sexism into this. That's in YOUR head I guess.

[Bonobo]

29. I know you better than that.

Well enough to know sexism is EXACTLY what you were thinking.

[maddiejoan]

30. screw you

it didn't even play a small part. I KNOW you aren't sexist --so why pretend to think that I do.

I guess you don't know me at all --if you think that little of me.

YOU on the other hand say you are not "anti-Hillary" while admitting you are 'working against Hillary'.

Do you even listen to yourself. You're Anti-Hillary. It's okay --just admit it.

[Bonobo]

31. I admitted it already that I am working against her. Peace out.

[maddiejoan]

32. I anxiously await you apology

otherwise.

Peace out indeed, Bro

[Bonobo]

33. I apologize for saying you accused me of sexism.

[maddiejoan]

34. Thankyou

I guess you are likable enough.

[Bonobo]

36. LOL!

[maddiejoan]

37. ::smile:::

;)

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. That statement does not talk about medical marijuana.

It talks about breaking down marijuana to find and refine active ingredients in the marijuana to make medicine, as was done with the poppy. IOW, a fine response for someone who has taken oodles of money from the pharmaceutical industry.

THC pills do not have the effects of using medical marijuana - the research has already been done. What she's saying is, we need to research how the pharma industry can profit by it, while keeping the War on Drugs alive.

[Bonobo]

24. Indeed. Precisely. 100% correct. Marinol anyone? I'm sure Merck could use the income.

[maddiejoan]

25. So do Edwards and Obama

so what is your point?

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. No, Edwards and Obama support limited medical marijuana.

Hillary supports pharmaceutical companies.

Neither Edwards nor Obama are saying it needs more study, or talk about the pharmaceutical conversion of marijuana for the benefit of the pharma industry.

If you don't know the difference, you need to involve yourself in the conversation a little more deeply.

[maddiejoan]

28. Bullsh•t

They all say the same exact thing.

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/11/25/165411/24

Barack Obama is not a supporter of medical marijuana. He is a supporter of more research to determine if it helps reduce pain.

When a voter asked Obama if he was for the legalization of medical marijuana, Obama said that he wasn't in favor of legalization without scientific evidence and tight controls.

..."My attitude is if the science and the doctors suggest that the best palliative care and the way to relieve pain and suffering is medical marijuana then that's something I'm open to ..... (my emphasis).....He added that he was concerned that the reasons for the use of marijuana would grow and create a "slippery slope."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/14/john-edwards-on-medical-m_n_76787.html

watch the video --where he calls for more scientific research

[Bonobo]

35. Obama is open to limited legalization.

Here:

Obama Open to Limited Legalization of Marijuana


http://clutchmagonline.com/notebook/obama-open-to-limited-legalization-of-marijuana/

[maddiejoan]

38. Kind of vague

"But I want to do it under strict guidelines. I want it prescribed in the same way that other painkillers or palliative drugs are prescribed.”

That could mean Marinol. Like most Obama statements it's very vague and one can read into it a number of things.