DEBATE GORE VIDAL VS CAL POLY ABOUT USA AMERICA POLICE STATE

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

Run time: 06:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLkHnN6Q9M   Posted on YouTube: December 07, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: December 12, 2007 By DU Member: Mr_Jefferson_24 Views on DU: 1533

 
Gore Vidal in good form as usual. His Bush impersonation does need work however.

[demnan]

1. We prefer the wars

that's it. Americans love war, torture and fear. Otherwise people would be flooding the streets in outrage.

[parkerll]

2. Thanks

I would have missed this video. Thanks for posting.
I love the interviews with Gore Vidal at The Real News also.

[Lost4words]

3. thanks for posting this!

Freedom Liberty, Liberty Freedom, tired old words that have no meaning anymore.

[bdamomma]

4. Gore Vidal spells it out.

we want the wars, what a fucked up society we have become.

[GliderGuider]

5. an observation

Speaking generally, Americans love wars that they're winning.
The popularity of the Iraq war didn't fall until you started losing.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

6. I'm afraid that's quite true...

...but I don't think it's because of a barbaric nature, I believe it's the repeated glorification of war, particularly WWII, that we've been indoctrinated by since childhood. From history texts to television to the big screen, there's nothing more respected, revered, and honored than a war hero. In conjunction with this we've also been conditioned to believe that much of the world is a dangerous place that resents America and would like to take us down. Of course, they do deeply resent us now and with good reason.

We're a relatively young country, and when you take a look at our history it's not glorious, it's sad -- one war followed by the next. And it would seem that our Military Industrial Complex which Eisenhower warned us about wouldn't have it any other way.

We need widely seen movies, documentaries, and textbooks that show war for the insane, costly, immoral, barbaric, stupidity that it is if we're ever to break free of it. Dr Strangelove and Catch 22 both at least showed the insanity, if not the barbarity of war, but they're the exceptions, not the rule. The rule is to glorify it as something honorable and necessary that must be repeated periodically in order to preserve our freedoms. We're still doing this and as long as we continue, will likely also continue to get the same very predictable results -- perpetual war for perpetual peace.

[Kurovski]

7. K&R. (nt)

[cynthia]

8. war makes money

we cannot stop spending inordinate amounts on the military, why that would mean that some folks might lose their jobs, those folks building things like tanks, guns, and other toys for boys who need war to make them feel big.

It is a sick world we live in.